Our QB room will be the best in the SEC

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GregAmsler said:
Yeah, but Peyton Manning.
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SINCE Peyton would be the words I used. I'm not comparing him to Peyton, never would, but I'm also not going to discount what Bailey has accomplished in HS, it's really impressive, much more so than what any of our QB recruits did SINCE Manning.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
SINCE Peyton would be the words I used. I'm not comparing him to Peyton, never would, but I'm also not going to discount what Bailey has accomplished in HS, it's really impressive, much more so than what any of our QB recruits did SINCE Manning.
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Actually, you said: "HB will be a 5 star top 30 ranked player when it's all said and done, all while playing in one of the toughest HS districts and state classifications in the country, he's our highest profile QB recruit probably ever really."

But if you meant, since Peyton and not "ever" like you said, I can see your argument. I don't agree, but it's not ridiculous.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
SINCE Peyton would be the words I used. I'm not comparing him to Peyton, never would, but I'm also not going to discount what Bailey has accomplished in HS, it's really impressive, much more so than what any of our QB recruits did SINCE Manning.
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Worley set all sorts of records. HB looks better than Worley but OTOH HB is surrounded by D1 talent. And that's one of the reasons I am more hesitant than many when it comes to him. How much does he benefit from having guys around him that are just a lot better than their opponents?
 
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GregAmsler said:
Actually, you said: "HB will be a 5 star top 30 ranked player when it's all said and done, all while playing in one of the toughest HS districts and state classifications in the country, he's our highest profile QB recruit probably ever really."

But if you meant, since Peyton and not "ever" like you said, I can see your argument. I don't agree, but it's not ridiculous.
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I see now where we got off, I would argue a bit though that HB did indeed have a better HS career than Peyton but it would be based off stats only, PM leads most all others in the intangibles it takes to play QB.
 
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peaygolf said:
I think..........If JG comes back and HB signs...........BM and JS are gone.
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I think J'arette's gone if HB signs.

PulaskiVolFan said:
I see now where we got off, I would argue a bit though that HB did indeed have a better HS career than Peyton but it would be based off stats only, PM leads most all others in the intangibles it takes to play QB.
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So suddenly you don't like stats?
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Why would Shrout transfer? Do you think there is another team out there willing to give him a starting spot? He also has to sit out a year, I just don't see it. I like JT as our 3rd guy next year.
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JT has plenty of ability and there are plenty of teams who need a QB. A log jam at QB means someone’s going to be out.
 
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I agree. Some people like to dream....if they do not play Eric Gray next year, they will lose him as well! There are several teams that want Eric gray!!
 
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peaygolf said:
I think..........If JG comes back and HB signs...........BM and JS are gone.
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I agree. Some people like to dream....if they do not play Eric Gray next year, they will lose him as well! There are several teams that want Eric Gray!!
 
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DoyleMcOrange said:
I think J'arette's gone if HB signs.



So suddenly you don't like stats?
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I've always been a fan of game statistics, I'm a baseball guy so it's been ingrained in my view of sports for some 40+ years. I don't think stats tell the whole picture but they certainly tell a bunch once you take all surrounding factors into account? Cal Ripken Jr hit .276 for his career but played every day through injuries and all. Take away his 100 worst games vs top pitching that he could have sat out had he wanted and he'd be a .320+ hitter and considered the best of all time at the position. If you can show me anywhere in the past where 47%, 2 TDs and 5 ints turned into something great or even won big I might just change my mind on QB statistics.
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PulaskiVolFan said:
What do you mean and? Do you not remember being 20 years old and in love with women? Did you not ever have a woman that made you do anything to keep her? Women are 37-0, either you are old enough to know that or you don't like women.
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If he has the desire to go be a started somewhere else then he will leave, whos to say he won't transfer to UTC or Peay? He won't have to sit out and still be close to his GF. You also make the assumption that Shrout is whipped, not everyone is wired like your lame ass. And for the record although you were hoping I was, I'm not into men.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
What do you mean and? Do you not remember being 20 years old and in love with women? Did you not ever have a woman that made you do anything to keep her? Women are 37-0, either you are old enough to know that or you don't like women.
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No truer words were ever spoken.
 
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TucsonVol said:
I agree. Some people like to dream....if they do not play Eric Gray next year, they will lose him as well! There are several teams that want Eric gray!!
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What does this even mean? People are going insane over the transfer portal. Please explain why you would even hint at Eric Gray transferring?
 
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Dudleys87 said:
JT has plenty of ability and there are plenty of teams who need a QB. A log jam at QB means someone’s going to be out.
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He better hurry up and get his name in the portal then. I'm thinking every team looking for a QB would likely take the big kid from Florida over the big backup from Tn.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
this upcoming Spring. We will have a veteran 3rd year starter, who while inconsistent, has proven to be a serviceable SEC starter ranking in the upper tier of all returning SEC QBs, we will have Blue Chip Fr Harrison Bailey, our highest acclaimed QB recruit since Peyton, Brian Maurer who has flashed well at times and seems to have the capabilities to be an SEC starter at QB, Big JT who is as physically gifted as anyone at the position with his prototypical size and cannon type arm strength and walkon Hill who has more experience than all other backups combined.

Guarantano, Bailey, Maurer, Hill, Shrout in my opinion will be the best QB group in the SEC come SPRING practice!

Pruitt will have his hands full keeping that group together past spring practice, but if he does then the next 3-4 seasons should be fun.

On another note, we could also have the best OL group, LB group and secondary in the SEC in '20 as well. Pruitt has really turned the roster over going into his 3rd year.
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We will have a shaky QB group:

JG : Inconsistent. Experienced but has days where he looks awfully bad (4-5 games this season including Vandy)
Maurer: Flashed Potential, got hurt and never returned to same level
Shrout: Big arm but big mistakes too. Threw balls so bad that got benched for JG who had gone rouge in the game before.
Hill : Walk-on who was inconsistent enough at his last school to lose the job
Bailey: Highly touted recruit. Looks promising but look at JG. Anything can happen.

We will have a good QB class but to say 'Best in SEC' is a reach. Example, look at Alabama: Taulia (highly rated 4*), Paul Bryant (highly rated 4*), Mac Jones (current starter) , Bryce Young: 5*, #1 Dual threat QB. Few others have good to better situations. FL will have solid starter in Kyle Trask with 5* Emory Jones coming back.
Even if Fromm leaves, GA will have highly rated D'wan Mathis and 3* Upperclassmen Stetson Bennett with commit Carson Beck who is higher rated than Bailey.

We will have to upgrade our QB play a lot ..

Our ILB will be a huge concern too with Henry T as only known starter. We will be relying on Solon Page and JJ Peterson for ILB ..thats not a fun thing to do ...
 
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firedog28 said:
I just don't think J G will transfer,because he has already gone through 4 OC's in his time here, why would he want to go somewhere he would have to learn an entirely new system?.That is very tough on a young man.MO is he will either go in the draft or stay for another year under Chaney whom he is beginning to thrive under.He said he was a Tennessee Vol,which I took he was coming back.Bailey coming in needs time and tutoring which JG can provide.
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firedog28 said:
I just don't think J G will transfer,because he has already gone through 4 OC's in his time here, why would he want to go somewhere he would have to learn an entirely new system?.That is very tough on a young man.MO is he will either go in the draft or stay for another year under Chaney whom he is beginning to thrive under.He said he was a Tennessee Vol,which I took he was coming back.Bailey coming in needs time and tutoring which JG can provide.
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Bailey needs to receive as little tutoring as possible from JG.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
this upcoming Spring. We will have a veteran 3rd year starter, who while inconsistent, has proven to be a serviceable SEC starter ranking in the upper tier of all returning SEC QBs, we will have Blue Chip Fr Harrison Bailey, our highest acclaimed QB recruit since Peyton, Brian Maurer who has flashed well at times and seems to have the capabilities to be an SEC starter at QB, Big JT who is as physically gifted as anyone at the position with his prototypical size and cannon type arm strength and walkon Hill who has more experience than all other backups combined.

Guarantano, Bailey, Maurer, Hill, Shrout in my opinion will be the best QB group in the SEC come SPRING practice!

Pruitt will have his hands full keeping that group together past spring practice, but if he does then the next 3-4 seasons should be fun.

On another note, we could also have the best OL group, LB group and secondary in the SEC in '20 as well. Pruitt has really turned the roster over going into his 3rd year.
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Reading vol nation is more funny than watching MASH reruns. Love it.
 
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sjt18 said:
Worley set all sorts of records. HB looks better than Worley but OTOH HB is surrounded by D1 talent. And that's one of the reasons I am more hesitant than many when it comes to him. How much does he benefit from having guys around him that are just a lot better than their opponents?
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Every QB benefits in HS when they have great players around them, usually to the tune of championships similar to what Worley and Cordarrelle Patterson did in South Carolina. Worley is considered one of the top10 players to ever play in SC high school history and all that tells me is that SC hs football must suck! Even with all his accolades, he was not rated that high, 3 star, barely top 750 in his class, mainly because he didn't have the arm strength to play past high school.

There is nothing about Bailey's performances that indicate it's them and not him producing. Same with Maurer, he played in a weak district, he also had 3 or 4 college receivers on his team and produced a boat load of yards, TDs and turnovers. You might say that they weren't D1 guys but how many high schools have any level college WRs?

As for his players being better than everyone else, I don't believe that to be true either as that district is loaded with D1 talent. I think it's a credit to HB in that he performs up to his teammates talent level as opposed to not doing his part. I also think it's a credit to BM as he produced a ton of yards in HS with his college WRs as well, he just didn't produce anything that looked similar to a winning program while playing in a weak district.

There are examples on both sides of it as you know. I just don't see any negatives in HB while all our other guys had definite negatives they need to correct.
 
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