If I'm Shrout and Maurer I transfer

[1vol8]

From what I've seen speed and elusiveness is the one area I would give BM an advantage over Bailey in.

BM has not been accurate or made good decisions passing the ball here. Bailey has been known for accuracy, touch, and command since 9th grade. He hasn't done it here either though. We will see.

And tbh you don’t seem to give credit for anything other than a final stat line. Anyone that’s looked a little deeper than that has seen that he’s extremely accurate despite some poor decisions and throw aways. Which would make my comparison still hold true.

 

[k-town_king]

You're dumber than two buckets of rocks. Your arguments for Bailey have less basis in fact than your 2 years of denial that JG had head issues.

Maurer played as a true Fr and made true Fr mistakes. He has been VERY accurate. He has made some great decisions... and some very poor ones. But he's had the moxie to make decisions, and mistakes, then move on to the next play with confidence. He has everything you need to become a great QB. He just needs time, experience, and development. He is MUCH better at this point of his career than JG was at this point of his RS season.

Bailey may be or become great. But there is very little in his HS career that can prove he will. LOTS of really good HS players do not become good CFB players. One of the biggest differences between HB and BM as recruits is that HB is surrounded by a bunch of other college prospects. BM was surrounded by pretty much nothing.... terrible talent and players.

I've watched a good bit of Bailey's highlight film. He has a nice arm but no stronger or inherently more accurate than Maurer. He doesn't have Shrout's arm strength. His head may set him apart... his arm and accuracy do not at this point.

Talk about dumb.

Explain again how a 47% passer has been "VERY accurate."

Moxie is only used to describe bad players that people like. We didn't hear Peyton praised for "moxie" because he had results to point at.

What did I actually argue in favor of Bailey? I said he has been praised for things and high school but needs to prove them here. I gave BM an edge in one category. The others are too early to say. Definitely to early to praise Maurer for any passing skill or attribute except for confidence to try and make plays.


In no way has BM been better to this point than JG his freshman year. Lets compare shall we?

JG 86/139 61.9% BM 34/72 47.2%: Advantage JG by a country mile

JG 7.2 ypa 7.1 a/ypa BM 7.3 ypa 4.7 a/ypa: Advantage JG

JG 4 tds 2ints BM 2tds 5ints: Advantage JG , not even on the same planet

JG 128.7 qb rating BM 103.6 qb rating: Advantage JG by a mile again

So if by better you mean complete less passes at a worse rate while throwing more than twice as many ints with half the tds then yes, he has been better.

 

[k-town_king]

And tbh you don’t seem to give credit for anything other than a final stat line. Anyone that’s looked a little deeper than that has seen that he’s extremely accurate despite some poor decisions and throw aways. Which would make my comparison still hold true.

Decision making plays into accuracy. He hasn't been accurate. Why can't you just admit it. He has potential. One area that needs to be improved is accuracy.

 

[gemlek]

JG to transfer portal please; seemingly a good kid but limits this team. Watch the Mizzou film......almost every throw was late or behind the receiver. Same for the past 2+ season. He has hit his ceiling.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

JG to transfer portal please; seemingly a good kid but limits this team. Watch the Mizzou film......almost every throw was late or behind the receiver. Same for the past 2+ season. He has hit his ceiling.

You've hit you ceiling as your neverJG talking points are about a month off! At least JG throws it more to our guys than the other team. You sir are trolling, hope you have fun with that!

 

[sjt18]

Decision making plays into accuracy. He hasn't been accurate. Why can't you just admit it. He has potential. One area that needs to be improved is accuracy.

And QB's aren't judged by wins and losses either, huh? You really don't know a doggone thing about football, do you?

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

How can a guy who's still in high school even be compared with Brian Maurer? Those things aren't set in stone when you're still in high school.

Bailey has thrown for 10,000+ high school yards in Georgia's toughest district in GAs toughest classification. Only 3 other QBs threw for more yards in Ga HISTORY, they all played at smaller schools and their names are Watson, Fromm and Lawrence. Odds are that Bailey is our future QB and likely the face of the program for 2-3 years.

 

[1vol8]

Decision making plays into accuracy. He hasn't been accurate. Why can't you just admit it. He has potential. One area that needs to be improved is accuracy.

Accuracy and decision making are two TOTALLY different qualities. Idk where you would think they are one in the same outside of one effecting the other for, once again, a final stat line. Accuracy is the ability to put the ball within a receivers catch radius and ball placement. He’s done that over and over again and in stride. Decision making is the ability to see the entire field and throw WITH accuracy to the MOST OPEN receiver. That’s where he’s failed on occasion which is to be expected of ANY freshman qb. When a qb throws an accurate ball without making the correct decision you can legitimately argue that it was on target IF the defender hadn’t been there (example: MSU first int. JJ wasn’t able to elevate due to being caught mid stride) When he makes a good decision but lacks accuracy he misses wide open receivers (example: 2 passes hitting the dirt vs UK on his second or third drive). So I have to disagree. One has nothing to do with the other outside of being connected in the final stats.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

And QB's aren't judged by wins and losses either, huh? You really don't know a doggone thing about football, do you?

JGs win/loss record is as much a reflection of bad overall team play as it is to what type QB he is. Peyton didn't win many his 1st year in the NFL either but it was much more a reflection of the overall team as it was Peyton.

 

[sjt18]

Talk about dumb.

Explain again how a 47% passer has been "VERY accurate."

Mostly because I've watched the games and seen where he places the ball when he's played meaningful snaps. I'll acknowledge he hasn't been the same since returning. But he is VERY accurate with the football.

Moxie is only used to describe bad players that people like. We didn't hear Peyton praised for "moxie" because he had results to point at.

That is among the STUPIDEST things you've said... and that's a remarkable accomplishment. You literally deny the meanings of words. Do you even know the meaning of the word or did you just drool that out....?

In no way has BM been better to this point than JG his freshman year. Lets compare shall we?

Not interested. You have proven REPEATEDLY that you are a fundamentally dishonest person. You always (as you have here) parsed the stats to favor your conclusion... and then handwave facts that disprove you.

 

[Sea Ray]

Bailey has thrown for 10,000+ high school yards in Georgia's toughest district in GAs toughest classification. Only 3 other QBs threw for more yards in Ga HISTORY, they all played at smaller schools and their names are Watson, Fromm and Lawrence. Odds are that Bailey is our future QB and likely the face of the program for 2-3 years.

I hope you're right but let's wait to see him in Orange and White before we evaluate him

 

[sjt18]

JGs win/loss record is as much a reflection of bad overall team play as it is to what type QB he is. Peyton didn't win many his 1st year in the NFL either but it was much more a reflection of the overall team as it was Peyton.

QB's are judged by their win/loss record. In college. In the pros. They simply are and for good reason. They have the greatest impact of any single player on the field. Their decisions impact virtually every offensive play and in ways that no other players' decisions can.

 

[sjt18]

JGs win/loss record is as much a reflection of bad overall team play as it is to what type QB he is. Peyton didn't win many his 1st year in the NFL either but it was much more a reflection of the overall team as it was Peyton.

Did you forget which screen name you were using?

 

[sjt18]

JG to transfer portal please; seemingly a good kid but limits this team. Watch the Mizzou film......almost every throw was late or behind the receiver. Same for the past 2+ season. He has hit his ceiling.

JG played very well vs Mizzou. He was on time and accurate with most of his throws.

If he continues to play this well then he needs to be UT's QB next year.

 

[Sea Ray]

JG to transfer portal please; seemingly a good kid but limits this team. Watch the Mizzou film......almost every throw was late or behind the receiver. Same for the past 2+ season. He has hit his ceiling.

I do think our receivers deserve some praise for making some awfully nice catches during that game but I also don't think a 400 yard game is the right time to criticize a QB.

 

[k-town_king]

Mostly because I've watched the games and seen where he places the ball when he's played meaningful snaps. I'll acknowledge he hasn't been the same since returning. But he is VERY accurate with the football.

That is among the STUPIDEST things you've said... and that's a remarkable accomplishment. You literally deny the meanings of words. Do you even know the meaning of the word or did you just drool that out....?



Not interested. You have proven REPEATEDLY that you are a fundamentally dishonest person. You always (as you have here) parsed the stats to favor your conclusion... and then handwave facts that disprove you.

He hasn't been accurate as a statistical fact but he has been VERY accurate because you feel he has? lmao

When have we heard Peyton, Mahomes, Brady, Russ Wilson,Tua etc praised for "moxie?" Not ever because they are good.



I bet you don't want to do facts. Your personal feeling towards JG are biased so no matter the facts you don't care. Thanks for confirming it.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Mostly because I've watched the games and seen where he places the ball when he's played meaningful snaps. I'll acknowledge he hasn't been the same since returning. But he is VERY accurate with the football.

That is among the STUPIDEST things you've said... and that's a remarkable accomplishment. You literally deny the meanings of words. Do you even know the meaning of the word or did you just drool that out....?



Not interested. You have proven REPEATEDLY that you are a fundamentally dishonest person. You always (as you have here) parsed the stats to favor your conclusion... and then handwave facts that disprove you.

I just don't see all this accuracy you guys claim Maurer to have. He's made some good throws but nowhere near the amount of good throws JG has made this year. Maurer has also made several incredibly bad throws. BMs knock coming out of HS was that he didn't play anybody, his teams never won against a weak district and one of the reasons his team struggled was because he was suspect to interceptions. His size and strength were also questioned. When he gets bigger and stronger, when he gets a grasp of the playbook and when he matures he'll likely get more accurate but as of right now he's just not accurate and his statistics in deed point that out.

 

[sjt18]

I just don't see all this accuracy you guys claim Maurer to have. He's made some good throws but nowhere near the amount of good throws JG has made this year. Maurer has also made several incredibly bad throws.

As freshmen usually do. But go back and watch the games he played and look at how often he's able to place the ball in a tight window. That's accuracy. He's made bad decisions and coverage reads. But he has a very good ability to spot the ball where he wants to put it.

BMs knock coming out of HS was that he didn't play anybody, his teams never won against a weak district

Yeah.... except he played on an awful team surrounded by really bad players... and still put up incredible numbers then showed out at the Elite 11.

and one of the reasons his team struggled was because he was suspect to interceptions.

You want to cite some proof for that? Maybe too much of the burden was placed on him and he had to try to do too much?

His size and strength were also questioned.

You keep repeating that non-sense... give a citation. A real proof. He was listed as 6'3" 193 before his Sr year. That's not a "small" or "weak" player. He did in fact gain weight after arriving at UT. He has not played "small" or "weak". He was flipped on his head.... which has absolutely NOTHING to do with his physical strength.

When he gets bigger and stronger, when he gets a grasp of the playbook and when he matures he'll likely get more accurate but as of right now he's just not accurate and his statistics in deed point that out.

That's not accuracy. That's decision making. He has a very good ability to place the ball where he intends to throw it. That is accuracy.

And you can keep beating that same drum... and it still won't be true. Undoubtedly BM will put on weight and muscle but he isn't the frail 140 lb weakling you're making him out to be.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

As freshmen usually do. But go back and watch the games he played and look at how often he's able to place the ball in a tight window. That's accuracy. He's made bad decisions and coverage reads. But he has a very good ability to spot the ball where he wants to put it.


Yeah.... except he played on an awful team surrounded by really bad players... and still put up incredible numbers then showed out at the Elite 11.

You want to cite some proof for that? Maybe too much of the burden was placed on him and he had to try to do too much?

You keep repeating that non-sense... give a citation. A real proof. He was listed as 6'3" 193 before his Sr year. That's not a "small" or "weak" player. He did in fact gain weight after arriving at UT. He has not played "small" or "weak". He was flipped on his head.... which has absolutely NOTHING to do with his physical strength.

That's not accuracy. That's decision making. He has a very good ability to place the ball where he intends to throw it. That is accuracy.

And you can keep beating that same drum... and it still won't be true. Undoubtedly BM will put on weight and muscle but he isn't the frail 140 lb weakling you're making him out to be.

He's the smallest QB in the Vols QB room and he's been hampered by injury all season. Size matters at the position whether you think it does or not. Show me a few pictures of him that shows where he has any muscle mass. You claim it was all freak injuries and I claim his weak physical status played a part in his injuries.

 

[Sin City Vol]

Go to a school where you can get to play.

It's all about playing the game. Leave watching the game to fans

you teach your kids to quit when they’re not good enough to be the best??? I’m sure that’s worked well for you in life

 

[sjt18]

He hasn't been accurate as a statistical fact but he has been VERY accurate because you feel he has? lmao

No. He's accurate because he's placed the ball where he wanted to throw it most of the time.

And you can NEVER be trusted with statistics. You manipulate them into lies every single time you touch them.

When have we heard Peyton, Mahomes, Brady, Russ Wilson,Tua etc praised for "moxie?" Not ever because they are good.

Not sure. And you still show a profound ignorance of what the word means and how or why it is used.

I bet you don't want to do facts. Your personal feeling towards JG are biased so no matter the facts you don't care. Thanks for confirming it.

Nope. You're just a very dishonest person. You've proven it over and over. I still don't have any ill feelings toward JG. He seems like a good kid and deserves a ton of credit for sticking with it when a lot of guys would have quit. I'm happy he's finally started to turn it around. But he wasn't good before and was really bad as a RS Fr.

UT lost 6 games behind him as a Fr. He was one of the main causes. His indecision and mistakes paralyzed the offense.

 

[Sin City Vol]

The only thing that I don’t get is JG will make boneheaded decisions like that constantly, yet they leave him in. But when a freshman who’s expected to make mistakes messes up once, he gets yanked. It should be other way around. The experienced junior should know better

Players make mistakes all the time. Hell we’ve had plenty of players make mistakes, dropped passes, broken coverages, plenty of missed tackles. For some reason people only scream when it’s the QB.

 

[sjt18]

He's the smallest QB in the Vols QB room

Prove it. Not by the published rosters we see and KNOW are inaccurate. I believe 1vol8 could give you his actual height and weight if he were willing. But being the "smallest" is relative anyway. If the other two are 215 and he's 205 then he's the "smallest"... but not too small.

and he's been hampered by injury all season.

Why do you keep trying to associate the type of injury he suffered with size or strength? He was flipped on his head. If he were 10 lbs heavier or even more muscled... it would not have changed that injury.

Size matters at the position whether you think it does or not.

That's dishonest of you. I never said it didn't. I have said one that you don't know how much BM weighs and two that his injury wasn't caused by his size or strength. Big guys get neck injuries and concussions.

Show me a few pictures of him that shows where he has any muscle mass.

You made the claim. The burden of proof is on YOU.

You claim it was all freak injuries and I claim his weak physical status played a part in his injuries.

And you have yet to explain how weighing less matters when you land on your head and suffer a nerve injury or else a concussion.

Concussions in particular are NOT subject to anything you can do in the weight room.

You keep trying to use this... and it just doesn't follow.

 

[cgrish]

Maurer looks awful, if he transfers who cares

If anyone cant see the potential in maurer something is wrong. Maurer will be a great qb somewhere, just hope it isn't against a team we play. Look no further than ga. They picked the wrong qb, did not give fields a chance and look what he is doing at ohio state. I hope maurer stays and gets a chance to play.

 

[cgrish]

You have to be the most delusional person on Volnation. If every Qb stays, Jg will be 4th or 5th on the depth chart.

Jg should be 4th or 5th but he won't, he will be the starter and screw up another season for us