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Thunder Good-Oil said:
It's not an employee/employer relationship. Never the less, certain rules are in place in order to be part of the program. I don't think that members of the dance team or cheerleaders are allowed to have visible tattoos in their programs. Maybe the LVs as well.

My only issue is that this opens the door to transform college sports, especially football, from from amateur competition to minor league professional sports. It will be even more money driven. IMO the biggest changes do need to be made with how the revenue is being distributed. Way too much has gone into Fulmer's pocket, Butch's pocket, Dooley's pocket, etc. and more should go into player welfare (long term health care primarily) and when there are surpluses more amenities for fans and school facilities for everybody. It's fine to allow SAs to make something off of their likeness IF it wouldn't be corrupted by boosters going after a competitive advantage (by buying players).
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It’s already incredibly money driven as it is. They created the playoff and expanded to 68 tourney teams to make more money.
 
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#452
Weezer said:
Are biology majors in demand when it comes to advertisement? Are they in danger of being bought and paid for?
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But that's not the argument, and you know it. The point is that biology student, if they had value, would be able to capitalize on that value if they wanted. The same goes for a singer in music school at Belmont. They can profit off their own talent, on their own time.
 
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zjcvols said:
It’s already incredibly money driven as it is. They created the playoff and expanded to 68 tourney teams to make more money.
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And those aren't good things IMO. The schools need to take the revenue stream away from the greedy f***s administering athletics.
 
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zjcvols said:
So you’re against capitalism? There’s already a hierarchy in team sports lol
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Referring to the hierarchy on teams themselves. Imagine the chaos as everyone wants to be the star player and make the money. Does nothing to encourage team and everything to encourage the individual. You don't think tension will be created between teammates who are haves and those who are have nots? I can easily see this ruining the sport all together. But hey, capitalism.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
But that's not the argument, and you know it. The point is that biology student, if they had value, would be able to capitalize on that value if they wanted. The same goes for a singer in music school at Belmont. They can profit off their own talent, on their own time.
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Athletics isn't a major or an employer.
 
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The easiest solution to this is to allow kids to turn pro at all levels; NBA, NFL, MLB, etc., out of high school. If they CHOOSE to forgo that opportunity and attend college, they must maintain amateur status for three years before being allowed to turn pro, and then they can profit till their heart’s content. MLB already affords this opportunity, and having a legit minor league system allows that to be a viable option. If the NBA and NFL adopted a similar system, a lot, if not all of these problems, issues, and exceptions go away.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
But that's not the argument, and you know it. The point is that biology student, if they had value, would be able to capitalize on that value if they wanted. The same goes for a singer in music school at Belmont. They can profit off their own talent, on their own time.
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Then have the pro leagues change the rules on when they can become professionals.
 
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Weezer said:
Referring to the hierarchy on teams themselves. Imagine the chaos as everyone wants to be the star player and make the money. Does nothing to encourage team and everything to encourage the individual. You don't think tension will be created between teammates who are haves and those who are have nots? I can easily see this ruining the sport all together. But hey, capitalism.
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How is this any different than pro sports? They deal with this all the time and they’re is very little issues
 
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cncchris33 said:
The easiest solution to this is to allow kids to turn pro at all levels; NBA, NFL, MLB, etc., out of high school. If they CHOOSE to forgo that opportunity and attend college, they must maintain amateur status for three years before being allowed to turn pro, and then they can profit till their heart’s content. MLB already affords this opportunity, and having a legit minor league system allows that to be a viable option. If the NBA and NFL adopted a similar system, a lot, if not all of these problems, issues, and exceptions go away.
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I would be fine with this compromise. I don't think it solves all the problems, because students will still inevitably make large sums of money for their university, but I think the dynamic between college baseball and the major leagues is handled properly. You see very few, if any, complaints about how the two coincide.
 
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cncchris33 said:
The easiest solution to this is to allow kids to turn pro at all levels; NBA, NFL, MLB, etc., out of high school. If they CHOOSE to forgo that opportunity and attend college, they must maintain amateur status for three years before being allowed to turn pro, and then they can profit till their heart’s content. MLB already affords this opportunity, and having a legit minor league system allows that to be a viable option. If the NBA and NFL adopted a similar system, a lot, if not all of these problems, issues, and exceptions go away.
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Let’s say this happens and college sports is still popular and profitable. The SA should still be able to profit off their name and likeness.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
But that's not the argument, and you know it. The point is that biology student, if they had value, would be able to capitalize on that value if they wanted. The same goes for a singer in music school at Belmont. They can profit off their own talent, on their own time.
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This is the point I was trying to make with ZJC. The NCAA doesn’t prohibit the athletes from making money, it just prohibits them from playing in the NCAA if they do. The NCAA can’t kick them out of school or stop them from playing somewhere else.

Now, I think there’s a valid argument that they shouldn’t prohibit them from profiting off their likeness while playing in the NCAA, but they don’t treat the singer or biology major any differently (provided they wanted to participate in NCAA athletics).
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
S*** gets real when the big booster that owns the star players has a gambling problem.
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You act like there isn't already a massive parity problem in college athletics. Because it definitely already exists, and it's slowly killing the sport for some people. Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georiga, etc. I guarantee you that these are't squeaky clean schools. And regardless of that point, the argument that things will just get worse is a point I fail to see. We're already getting Alabama and Clemson national title games every single year, or every other year. But allowing students to just own their image would exacerbate the issue? How much worse can it really get?
 
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Weezer said:
So you're all for universities being able to buy players. Got it.
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Fundamentally, why should they be able to buy professors but not athletes? What is the problem with letting supply and demand work in this realm?
 
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zjcvols said:
Because being able to make money off your name and image is something every American has the ability to do and not be punished for it as long as they are within the laws of the United States. NCAA athletes don’t get that right and it’s simply incorrect.
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It's really this simple. Either demonstrate why college athletes are different from every other group in America, or accept that they should be eligible like everybody else.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
You act like there isn't already a massive parity problem in college athletics. Because it definitely already exists, and it's slowly killing the sport for some people. Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georiga, etc. I guarantee you that these are't squeaky clean schools. And regardless of that point, the argument that things will just get worse is a point I fail to see. We're already getting Alabama and Clemson national title games every single year, or every other year. But allowing students to just own their image would exacerbate the issue? How much worse can it really get?
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The lack of parity exists because of the current system. Why is there more parity in the NFL?
 
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n_huffhines said:
The lack of parity exists because of the current system. Why is there more parity in the NFL?
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That's one of the points I'm trying to make. I don't subscribe to the belief that players being able to profit on their image would benefit the "rich" programs anymore than they already benefit. Parity is arguably at an all time low in college sports. There are the haves and the have nots.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
S*** gets real when the big booster that owns the star players has a gambling problem.
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Why would this be a new problem under the new rules? This is a problem that already exists and nothing about the new rule makes this a bigger risk. Bringing stuff above board cleans it up. Paying players makes them less desperate for illicit cash. If a booster tries to say he owns you and then tries to get you throw a game, why on earth would you do it? There is no reason to do it. Turn him into the authorities. You will get in 0 trouble. He owns you less than the booster who paid you under the table.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
You act like there isn't already a massive parity problem in college athletics. Because it definitely already exists, and it's slowly killing the sport for some people. Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georiga, etc. I guarantee you that these are't squeaky clean schools. And regardless of that point, the argument that things will just get worse is a point I fail to see. We're already getting Alabama and Clemson national title games every single year, or every other year. But allowing students to just own their image would exacerbate the issue? How much worse can it really get?
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I'm acting like there's not a current parity issue? What else are you going to invent?
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
How come? Rick Barnes made money due to him, the assistants made money due to him, the school made money due to him, the SEC made money due to him, ESPN made money due to him, the NCAA made money due to him, the State of Tennessee made money due to him, etc......
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He got exposure, coaching, and an opportunity to to play in NBA due to UT. See how that works?
 
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n_huffhines said:
So?
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n_huffhines said:
It's really this simple. Either demonstrate why college athletes are different from every other group in America, or accept that they should be eligible like everybody else.
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They are though. When you said “So?” that was my point. Whether an athlete or biology major takes profit from their image or likeness, their eligibility is exactly the same. Both can still go to school, both can still study whatever they choose, both can pursue whatever career they wish, but neither can play NCAA sports.

You can argue that they both should still be able to play in spite of the profit (and I think that’s a strong argument). But saying “Hey, the biology student can make money” isn’t doing anything but restating the initial complaint.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I'm acting like there's not a current parity issue? What else are you going to invent?
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I'm not inventing anything. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're implying things will get worse in college sports (in regards to level of competition) when players gain the ability to make money? But I'm simply asking how can it possibly get worse when it's the same 6 teams year-in and year-out competing for 4 playoff spots?
 
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