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[macrovol]

C'mon man, he had "lol" in that tweet TWICE. You guys take things much too seriously.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

This is just pure denial. I'm sorry, but that's what this is. It's naive to think that it's not rampant in college sports. There was literally an FBI investigation into college basketball for this exact reason, where they have agents on tape discussing the offers made to prospective athletes. Bill Self is lucky to still be employed, and it's only a matter of time before Sean Miller is canned. Money is everywhere in college sports. But if it makes you feel better to think the sport is still pure, I guess that's some form of comfort.

So you're saying it's rampant in Knoxville?

 

[BreatheUT]

Not a good look.

Admiral loves the University of Tennessee.

I just think this whole profiting from likeness is about to turn into a complete and utter mess. I have true disdain for the piss a$$ state of California.

Imagine when the best players are committing to the place they feel like they can get the biggest contract because everybody is getting paid when they go there. Then you have some pulling up in a Benz and don't give a she'it about school and studying hard. Other players losing patience with playing time, etc because it's messing with that check or they have to wear the same shoes all semester when the shoe company is sending "insert player here" a new pair every week. This is the new agent.

Don't be surprised if you hate college sports in a few years. Once pandora's box is open it will not be able to get closed.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

But you're claiming it will get worse with the same amount of proof.

Of course it will get worse, it will be legalized stealing. The programs with the most money will win out every time. We'll be sitting over hear paying 5-10 players a bunch of money while the other 1000 student athletes in Knoxville will be living off scraps.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Of course it will get worse, it will be legalized stealing. The programs with the most money will win out every time. We'll be sitting over hear paying 5-10 players a bunch of money while the other 1000 student athletes in Knoxville will be living off scraps.

You can't accuse others of saying it already happens because "of course it does" and then come back with it will get worse because "of course it will".

 

[BreatheUT]

Of course it will get worse, it will be legalized stealing. The programs with the most money will win out every time. We'll be sitting over hear paying 5-10 players a bunch of money while the other 1000 student athletes in Knoxville will be living off scraps.

No surprise this was started by the most liberal and politically correct state in the union. Just wait until they start getting pissed when non revenue producing sports or women are no included in the payouts because nobody is really using their likeness.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

No surprise this was started by the most liberal and politically correct state in the union. Just wait until they start getting pissed when non revenue producing sports or women are no included in the payouts because nobody is really using their likeness.

Oh ffs, they were followed immediately by South Carolina.

 

[Volinlife]

How come? Rick Barnes made money due to him, the assistants made money due to him, the school made money due to him, the SEC made money due to him, ESPN made money due to him, the NCAA made money due to him, the State of Tennessee made money due to him, etc......

And he made money due to him...and ut, and Barnes, and NCAA, and you

 

[TheMookieMonster]

So you're saying it's rampant in Knoxville?

If we're taking off the orange-tinted glasses for a minute, and are honest with ourselves, then yes it is probably happening in some form or fashion in either our basketball or football program. To what extent, I hesitate to say, but in order to compete with other schools you better have a bag man somewhere or you are handicapping yourself. Every program thinks their program is the only clean one.

 

[volfanhill]

Nutrition. Training. Top tier medical professionals. Coaching. Facilities. Equipment. Housing. Tutoring. All provided on UT's dime. On top of a degree free of student debt. So much mistreatment.

Don’t act like that’s given for altruistic reasons.

 

[ndubvols]

You don't seem to mind at all the corruption it brings to the game? How can you not see that only the "rich" programs will take over recruiting if you bring money into it. Might as well throw all our history into the Tennessee river and open up a office for sports agent Sexton up on the hill.

I’m sure it’s been said already, but this point holds no water. I mean god forbid Kentucky/duke/unc have top classes in b-ball every year. Same with Bama, Ohio state, Texas, usc in football...

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

But you're claiming it will get worse with the same amount of proof.

Do you not remember history when agents were running all over college campuses years ago throwing promises around to everyone with a hint of NFL ability? Ask Antonio Langum from Alabama how those agents helped him back then. There is a rule that no player can have an agent for a reason.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I’m sure it’s been said already, but this point holds no water. I mean god forbid Kentucky/duke/unc have top classes in b-ball every year. Same with Bama, Ohio state, Texas, usc in football...

Does their history of success not help them in recruiting? If recruiting comes down to just money history and tradition will mean very little to a top prospect.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Do you not remember history when agents were running all over college campuses years ago throwing promises around to everyone with a hint of NFL ability? Ask Antonio Langum from Alabama how those agents helped him back then. There is a rule that no player can have an agent for a reason.

You're making no sense. And you're not even remotely understanding my point. You're rejecting the point that it's already bad because you say people just say it is and offer no proof; yet you are doing the same thing by proclaiming that "of course it will get worse" and offering zero evidence. You're doing the same freakin' thing. Don't be dense.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Does their history of success not help them in recruiting? If recruiting comes down to just money history and tradition will mean very little to a top prospect.

You are coming across incredibly naive here.

 

[ndubvols]

Does their history of success not help them in recruiting? If recruiting comes down to just money history and tradition will mean very little to a top prospect.

It’s like anything, there’s a combination of factors that go into a decision. One of these is money. It’s being factored in many recruits decisions now, will be on the future. Won’t change the competitive landscape much imo. Power 5 schools, specifically the blue bloods and primary players, will continue to outrcruit everyone just like they have in the past.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

If we're taking off the orange-tinted glasses for a minute, and are honest with ourselves, then yes it is probably happening in some form or fashion in either our basketball or football program. To what extent, I hesitate to say, but in order to compete with other schools you better have a bag man somewhere or you are handicapping yourself. Every program thinks their program is the only clean one.

So there is not a hint of it happening in Knoxville but you believe it really is happening? I just can't reason with that line of thinking and think it's an insult to the coaches we have putting in the work.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

It’s like anything, there’s a combination of factors that go into a decision. One of these is money. It’s being factored in many recruits decisions now, will be on the future. Won’t change the competitive landscape much imo. Power 5 schools, specifically the blue bloods and primary players, will continue to outrcruit everyone just like they have in the past.

It'll definitely bring more corrupt elements to the game, money always attracts corruption.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

You're making no sense. And you're not even remotely understanding my point. You're rejecting the point that it's already bad because you say people just say it is and offer no proof; yet you are doing the same thing by proclaiming that "of course it will get worse" and offering zero evidence. You're doing the same freakin' thing. Don't be dense.

Yes, if agents are allowed back in the game it will likely revert back to what it was before the rule with the only difference being it will now be legal. I think it's ridiculous to think that it wouldn't revert back to the old SMU days.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

So there is not a hint of it happening in Knoxville but you believe it really is happening? I just can't reason with that line of thinking and think it's an insult to the coaches we have putting in the work.

I never claimed it as fact, I said it is my opinion that with how college athletics operate now money has infiltrated all levels of college sports. The Tennessee fan inside me would hope our success comes in a completely legit manner, but even Bruce was doing some shady things while here. It's naive to think this program is the sole beacon of light.

Are you going to seriously tell me that Will Wade's "strong ass offer" comment was anything less than being about money, too? Because that's exactly what it was about. You say that you cannot reason with my line of thinking, well I cannot reason with someone who completely dismisses an FBI investigation. I mean the federal government is investigating the sport for crying out loud, and you want to talk to us about how pure it is.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

So there is not a hint of it happening in Knoxville but you believe it really is happening? I just can't reason with that line of thinking and think it's an insult to the coaches we have putting in the work.

Why are you suddenly just focusing on Knoxville when that wasn't the issue. The notion was it was already happening and you rejected it at other other programs.

But even still, you probably need to take off those orange colored glasses.

 

[ndubvols]

So there is not a hint of it happening in Knoxville but you believe it really is happening? I just can't reason with that line of thinking and think it's an insult to the coaches we have putting in the work.

Cmon man, it’s happened in the past here and likely is now, just like every other major program. There’s a reason the NCAA/UT canned Bruce (wasn’t just a BBQ). Kiffen and co almost certainly were. Same with USC under Pete Carrol, Miller at Arizona, Will Wade at LSU, Self at Kansas, Cal at multiple schools, Alabama in the 2000’s, I mean the list is pretty comprehensive.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

Yes, if agents are allowed back in the game it will likely revert back to what it was before the rule with the only difference being it will now be legal. I think it's ridiculous to think that it wouldn't revert back to the old SMU days.

I mean this respectfully, and I hate that I have to keep prefacing all my comments with that not to offend people, BUT you should definitely actually do some digging online into this FBI college basketball corruption scandal. It seems like you have not. If you had done so, then you'd be aware that agents are already apart of the sport. They just don't directly represent their client. They do shady things through back channels to get them the money.

I will keep repeating this until all the deniers start to pay attention--Money. Is. Already. Here.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I mean this respectfully, and I hate that I have to keep prefacing all my comments with that not to offend people, BUT you should definitely actually do some digging online into this FBI college basketball corruption scandal. It seems like you have not. If you had done so, then you'd be aware that agents are already apart of the sport. They just don't directly represent their client. They do shady things through back channels to get them the money.

I will keep repeating this until all the deniers start to pay attention--Money. Is. Already. Here.

This is what I'm saying; he was acting like the idea that major programs are already getting away with crap was silly because no one offered proof but then is saying this will make it worse because.....he said so. And to act like it's not majorly corrupt already is just a level of cognitive dissonance I can't even remotely comprehend.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I never claimed it as fact, I said it is my opinion that with how college athletics operate now money has infiltrated all levels of college sports. The Tennessee fan inside me would hope our success comes in a completely legit manner, but even Bruce was doing some shady things while here. It's naive to think this program is the sole beacon of light.

Are you going to seriously tell me that Will Wade's "strong ass offer" comment was anything less than being about money, too? Because that's exactly what it was about. You say that you cannot reason with my line of thinking, well I cannot reason with someone who completely dismisses an FBI investigation. I mean the federal government is investigating the sport for crying out loud, and you want to talk to us about how pure it is.

I never said cheating didn't happen, I said that if they knowingly cheat and can live with themselves then so can I. We had a BB coach we had to fire recently for cheating only to hire one who I think probably refuses to cheat and likely fires anyone he catches cheating. Pearl has cheated the rules everywhere he goes. Those type guys are win at any cost type coaches and I'm glad we've avoided, for the most part, that type coach.