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#52
Thunder Good-Oil said:
I didn't mock his tweet. Get a ****ing clue.
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Uhm, yeah you definitely did. Unless the below bold-faced text wasn't sarcasm, which I find hard to believe.

Thunder Good-Oil said:
Nutrition. Training. Top tier medical professionals. Coaching. Facilities. Equipment. Housing. Tutoring. All provided on UT's dime. On top of a degree free of student debt. So much mistreatment.
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#53
This is the endgame of allowing the uppermost tier of college athletics to be a free farm system for the NFL/NBA. The NCAA is a joke and it's about time that we kill the whole "amateur athlete" excuse they use to lord over these sports/athletes.
 
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allvol123 said:
No, advantages can only be compared when people are doing the exact same thing and one set gets something different.

These groups arent doing the same things.
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Im not sure what point you’re making. I’m saying that they receive advantages over regular students. And you’re disagreeing with that?
 
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TooLegit2Quit said:
This is the endgame of allowing the uppermost tier of college athletics to be a free farm system for the NFL/NBA. The NCAA is a joke and it's about time that we kill the whole "amateur athlete" excuse they use to lord over these sports/athletes.
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It's already a farm-system for the NBA/NFL. The quicker we rid the NCAA of these antiquated rules, the better. They should get rid of the rule requiring a single year in college as well. If you're ready to go pro then just go pro. No need to force people to play somewhere they don't want to. Ben Simmons essentially slept through his one season at LSU because he knew it was a waste of his time.
 
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#57
There should be no qualms with people being paid their worth. If the school is able to sell $100,000 worth of number 5 Admiral jerseys, then he should get a cut. If anyone thinks this is going to upset the concept of "student-athlete", then they have no concept of how the system works now and only want to keep it the same way for athletes for their own delusions.
 
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allvol123 said:
It was a response to someone claiming the university does not profit from these activities.
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No it wasn’t. It was in response to this:

Thunder Good-Oil said:
Nutrition. Training. Top tier medical professionals. Coaching. Facilities. Equipment. Housing. Tutoring. All provided on UT's dime. On top of a degree free of student debt. So much mistreatment.
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It was a claim that SAs are adequately and fairly compensated for services.

I don’t even think I agree, but the university’s motviations, good or ill, don’t factor into the argument. It’s a complete irrelevance.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
You are comparing apples to oranges and have no idea what you're talking about. High A Minor League Baseball is not the same thing as College Athletics. And guess what? Those High A or Single A players COULD profit off their likeness if they wanted to, but for most of them they are not in a position to do so yet. But, they still have the possibility of doing so if they want. You just don't see many companies trying to pay a no-name Single A player to sell some burgers because there is no value in that unless you're a Bryce Harper level prospect who everyone knows will be in the majors quickly after the draft.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. P-5 NCAA football is the NFL's minor league. If athletes want to opt out of school because it's a bad deal then they'll miss out on all of the benefits listed above... including being treated like royalty while they compete.

If it comes down to whether SAs need to get paid or not, just add real minor league football and basketball and scale back the talent level of student athletes. The Tennessee Mountain Lions aren't going provide the same opportunity for exposure in a 5,000 seat stadium, but the athletes can have all that revenue for themselves from the tens of jerseys that they manage to sell.
 
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golfballs said:
Im not sure what point you’re making. I’m saying that they receive advantages over regular students. And you’re disagreeing with that?
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Yes.

If I show up for a job every day that you never do and I get something you dont, I am not getting some advantage. I am getting something I earned.

Maybe you still call that an advantage. If it is, it isnt an unfair one.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
You have no idea what you're talking about. P-5 NCAA football is the NFL's minor league. If athletes want to opt out of school because it's a bad deal then they'll miss out on all of the benefits listed above... including being treated like royalty while they compete.

If it comes down to whether SAs need to get paid or not, just add real minor league football and basketball and scale back the talent level of student athletes. The Tennessee Mountain Lions aren't going provide the same opportunity for exposure in a 5,000 seat stadium, but the athletes can have all that revenue for themselves from the tens of jerseys that they manage to sell.
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You literally were talking about the MLB minors and NOT the NFL. So don't try to change the analogy and then tell me I am wrong.

Thunder Good-Oil said:
Minor league baseball players travel all night on stinky buses, get a sack of Krystals, and stay at the Motel 6. College athletes fly on luxury jets and have steak and lobster at 4 and 5 star hotels.
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TheMookieMonster said:
It's already a farm-system for the NBA/NFL. The quicker we rid the NCAA of these antiquated rules, the better. They should get rid of the rule requiring a single year in college as well. If you're ready to go pro then just go pro. No need to force people to play somewhere they don't want to. Ben Simmons essentially slept through his one season at LSU because he knew it was a waste of his time.
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Exactly. How many guys have we seen that are NFL/NBA ready go down with an injury and never come back the same? Especially the NFL, we know what the career length is for some of these positions and guys are being forced to waste 3 years they could be earning, all to make money for everyone but themselves. Meanwhile college football coaches are the highest paid state employee in damn near every state.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
No it wasn’t. It was in response to this:



It was a claim that SAs are adequately and fairly compensated for services.

I don’t even think I agree, but the university’s motviations, good or ill, don’t factor into the argument. It’s a complete irrelevance.
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I am in several different convos on the same subject.

Nevertheless, point stands. What is done has a motive and the motive isnt to altruistically satisfy people that can run fast, throw tds, or shoot baskets.
 
#64
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TheMookieMonster said:
This thread, as anticipated, has already devolved to trash. This was not a criticism of the University of Tennessee. We all know Admiral loved playing here. He is beloved by fans across the country. Yet it was obvious some dullards were going to take this the wrong way and use it as an excuse to attack Admiral. He has a point. The #5 jersey was probably sold countless times at UT stores during his career and he didn't see a penny from that. Not everything is a personal attack on UT. Don't be so sensitive.
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#5 jerseys were sold long before Admiral came along.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
#5 jerseys were sold long before Admiral came along.
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Yes, and they will be sold long after he is gone, too. But let's not be disingenuous to think that the people who bought them during the 4-years he was here weren't buying them because of him. I bet those same people would have loved to have bought a jersey with his actual name on the back.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
You literally were talking about the MLB minors and NOT the NFL. So don't try to change the analogy and then tell me I am wrong.
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The NCAA P-5 IS the minor league for the NFL. And the players live like royalty BECAUSE of the fan interest and the revenue that follows. When NCAA football actually is a minor league, why should we care? Does the G-League fill up arenas? Not nearly as many people will care if Alabama, Clemson, or Ohio State is the #1 minor league champion. Which team won AAA Baseball?
 
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allvol123 said:
People that find his tweet interesting are the ones that are completely lost on this subject.

These people believe these athletes exist solely to provide pleasure for fans.
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Ironically, when they become professionals that’s entirely what they exist for.
 
#68
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TheMookieMonster said:
It's already a farm-system for the NBA/NFL. The quicker we rid the NCAA of these antiquated rules, the better. They should get rid of the rule requiring a single year in college as well. If you're ready to go pro then just go pro. No need to force people to play somewhere they don't want to. Ben Simmons essentially slept through his one season at LSU because he knew it was a waste of his time.
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This is spot on for hoops. But no one ever should go straight from HS football to the NFL.. but hoops is well overdue
 
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#69
allvol123 said:
I am in several different convos on the same subject.

Nevertheless, point stands. What is done has a motive and the motive isnt to altruistically satisfy people that can run fast, throw tds, or shoot baskets.
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That is undoubtedly true, but it still doesn’t matter.

Even if you were to discover their motivation was 100% charitable, I think you would still believe that SAs should be able to profit off their likenesses, correct?
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Yes, and they will be sold long after he is gone, too. But let's not be disingenuous to think that the people who bought them during the 4-years he was here weren't buying them because of him. I bet those same people would have loved to have bought a jersey with his actual name on the back.
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True. Nobody has ever heard of Chris Lofton.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Yes, and they will be sold long after he is gone, too. But let's not be disingenuous to think that the people who bought them during the 4-years he was here weren't buying them because of him. I bet those same people would have loved to have bought a jersey with his actual name on the back.
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I'm curious as to how much of the profit off those shirts Admiral is entitled? I mean there is a lot that goes into the production, transaction and sales of these jerseys. Who is going to negotiate with Nike on the student athletes behalf on how much Admiral's contract should be and for how long?
 
#73
#73
TheMookieMonster said:
Yes, and they will be sold long after he is gone, too. But let's not be disingenuous to think that the people who bought them during the 4-years he was here weren't buying them because of him. I bet those same people would have loved to have bought a jersey with his actual name on the back.
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Who is wearing basketball jerseys?
 
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#74
Thunder Good-Oil said:
The NCAA P-5 IS the minor league for the NFL. And the players live like royalty BECAUSE of the fan interest and the revenue that follows. When NCAA football actually is a minor league, why should we care? Does the G-League fill up arenas? Not nearly as many people will care if Alabama, Clemson, or Ohio State is the #1 minor league champion. Which team won AAA Baseball?
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First, you keep changing the analogy to try and prop up your own argument rather than staying consistent. Second, if you think college athletics will die because the players are allowed to recoup money that the schools/NCAA are making off their image you are sorely mistaken. So you're telling me your entire enjoyment of the sport of college athletics is based on the ability to prevent someone for earning what they're worth? That seems both selfish and completely misguided. College athletics aren't going anywhere, and this fear-mongering only poisons actual productive conversation from occurring.
 
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