About the officials.

#76
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From what I read online, SEC football refs make anywhere from $1500-3000 per game. That is not enough to really be a full time profession. It is also hard to imagine that with refs at such low pay, boosters arent cheaply befriending some in the pool. As long as nothing is obvious, no one is the wiser what a great deal Bob the ref got at Gary's Auto Barn on that new Dodge. Then there are efforts like the one this last weekend, where the corruption was on full display.
 
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Ty4Vols said:
Ok, so you cannot speak for football is a vague and non descriptive answer that means I cannot speak for this crew's intent.

You just wrote an entire post (you are the OP to this thread) to say you knew their intent and the fact everyone is dumping on the refs pisses you off.

But now you admit you do not in fact know their intent.

So, you are mad because you hearing the refs being bashed and you are internalizing this and taking it personally. This is causing you unnecessary stress that has lead to and caused you to lash out. You are taking this way too personally my guy. My sister is a psychologist. She usually prescribes marijuana for the type of behavior you're demonstrating. Since she's not in Tennessee may I suggest going and getting high as hell and trust me you'll calm right down and everything will be just fine. Repeat getting high again tomorrow if your symptoms return.
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mudhen said:
After reading most of the trashing that the refs got at the bama game, I have something to say to you guys who are sh$% talking. You think its easy? YOU try it. I've been a soccer referee since 2003 and it wasn't until the last few years that I feel that I "get it". Officiating ANY sport at other than the Pee wee level takes years of dedication, study, and practice. Once boys get to the junior high age, they are fast and you have less than a second to decide all of this; fair or foul, if foul, then what kind of foul, and did the fouled team lose a promising play ( yes, advantage IS called in football, just not out loud like in soccer. Remember, you are also usually RUNNING when this is taking place. At the higher level of the game, referees are vetted thoroughly before they are even considered for selection, and once chosen, it is easy to get the boot, and nigh on impossible to come back once that happens. The refs do tons of tape study and are debriefed by mentors after every game, every decision gone over. Now, as for former players becoming officials, U.S. soccer had a special fast track for former pros to be officials but they called it off because they found that the players tended to THINK like a player and not like a ref, and they are very, very, different mind sets. Being a "homer" would be immediately noticed by the staff, and your career would end that day. In any sport. The fastest way for a player or coach, or fan to get tossed out from any game i officiate is to accuse me of being a cheater. Face it folks, the call may be bad, but the intent was anything but.
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you are so goofy...
 
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While I think it is very rare for an official to intentionally favor a certain team, it does appear that the pressure of being in a home environment for a team that has national championship hopes for your conference produces a tendency in certain refs to repeatedly err in favor of that team. In a bang-bang play, which most are, that little subconscious motivation can make a world of difference. Officiating seems like it is getting more error prone. Part of that is probably due to the many camera angles and replays we have now. Part may be due to the pressure of making decisions that affect millions of dollars. Or, maybe they just suck.
 
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dono said:
About the stoppage when we shifted into the wildcat, "someone" opined that they were checking the spot. Does that past the smell test? Besides not making satan burn a T.O. is there any other credible reason?
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Seriously, was there EVER any official reason given for why they stopped that play? Did CJP ever say that they told him why they stopped it? I've seen no official reason.

The replay I saw on twitter clearly showed the bammer players in disarray, wondering what was going on -- and them BAM, the young referee on the sideline (who has been described in another thread as a big bammer fan) suddenly blows his whistle and runs in and stops the play. I mean, doesn't there have to be some reason for this? All I'm asking is, has anybody -- the official, the SEC office, CJP -- said why the play was halted, 5 yards from the goal line?
 
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I heard the refs at the game wanted to see more light shows and so they tilted the game in that direction.
 
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mudhen said:
After reading most of the trashing that the refs got at the bama game, I have something to say to you guys who are sh$% talking. You think its easy? YOU try it. I've been a soccer referee since 2003 and it wasn't until the last few years that I feel that I "get it". Officiating ANY sport at other than the Pee wee level takes years of dedication, study, and practice. Once boys get to the junior high age, they are fast and you have less than a second to decide all of this; fair or foul, if foul, then what kind of foul, and did the fouled team lose a promising play ( yes, advantage IS called in football, just not out loud like in soccer. Remember, you are also usually RUNNING when this is taking place. At the higher level of the game, referees are vetted thoroughly before they are even considered for selection, and once chosen, it is easy to get the boot, and nigh on impossible to come back once that happens. The refs do tons of tape study and are debriefed by mentors after every game, every decision gone over. Now, as for former players becoming officials, U.S. soccer had a special fast track for former pros to be officials but they called it off because they found that the players tended to THINK like a player and not like a ref, and they are very, very, different mind sets. Being a "homer" would be immediately noticed by the staff, and your career would end that day. In any sport. The fastest way for a player or coach, or fan to get tossed out from any game i officiate is to accuse me of being a cheater. Face it folks, the call may be bad, but the intent was anything but.
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Iā€™m sure it is difficult. You know whatā€™s more difficult? Being so incompetent in making the number of missed calls, no calls and made up phantom penalties against one team and keeping a straight face while doing it.
Now thatā€™s some hard s**t to do.
 
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CampBlount said:
Seriously, was there EVER any official reason given for why they stopped that play? Did CJP ever say that they told him why they stopped it? I've seen no official reason.

The replay I saw on twitter clearly showed the bammer players in disarray, wondering what was going on -- and them BAM, the young referee on the sideline (who has been described in another thread as a big bammer fan) suddenly blows his whistle and runs in and stops the play. I mean, doesn't there have to be some reason for this? All I'm asking is, has anybody -- the official, the SEC office, CJP -- said why the play was halted, 5 yards from the goal line?
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Explanation given to Pruitt from the SEC was they needed to confirm the ball placement was correct. Buncha horse**** and only confirms the corruption if you ask me.
 
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mudhen said:
You folks are mistaking bad for corrupt. Every sport has bad officials. Corrupt ones are extremely rare.
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Yes sir, for those that start in on with the "Pay off, corrupt etc." to describe officials that they believe made a bad call (and maybe they did), is over the top. An accusation such as that should require a hell of a lot of proof, not just idiotic pontificating. But some people often times see in others what they see in themselves-thus their rush to criminal accusations when discussing officials! Bad/poor/blind etc., okay, but payola, is in another arena.
 
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mudhen said:
After reading most of the trashing that the refs got at the bama game, I have something to say to you guys who are sh$% talking. You think its easy? YOU try it. I've been a soccer referee since 2003 and it wasn't until the last few years that I feel that I "get it". Officiating ANY sport at other than the Pee wee level takes years of dedication, study, and practice. Once boys get to the junior high age, they are fast and you have less than a second to decide all of this; fair or foul, if foul, then what kind of foul, and did the fouled team lose a promising play ( yes, advantage IS called in football, just not out loud like in soccer. Remember, you are also usually RUNNING when this is taking place. At the higher level of the game, referees are vetted thoroughly before they are even considered for selection, and once chosen, it is easy to get the boot, and nigh on impossible to come back once that happens. The refs do tons of tape study and are debriefed by mentors after every game, every decision gone over. Now, as for former players becoming officials, U.S. soccer had a special fast track for former pros to be officials but they called it off because they found that the players tended to THINK like a player and not like a ref, and they are very, very, different mind sets. Being a "homer" would be immediately noticed by the staff, and your career would end that day. In any sport. The fastest way for a player or coach, or fan to get tossed out from any game i officiate is to accuse me of being a cheater. Face it folks, the call may be bad, but the intent was anything but.
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I disagree and though I don't know you, based on reading this, I don't think I'd like you.

First, this current link should refute all your misinformation about sporting franchise values from further down the thread...
The World's 50 Most Valuable Sports Teams 2019

Next, I'm probably the most vocal critic of officials in Big Orange Country. I consider incompetent and biased SEC officials an insult the soul that the Almighty created in them. But even with my irrationally harsh stance toward officials, I've never claimed their job was easy. This is a multi-billion $ business. Anyone with even a modicum of sense realizes nothing related to college football is easy. Thus any bias and incompetence are all the more inexcusable because of what is at stake and the resources available to ensure competent support.

Your claim that refs are thoroughly vetted and are held accountable is a heaping, steaming load of colossal horse turds. I offer exhibits A - D (two debacles Dooley's first year, the LSU basketball ref, Alama Matthews) and countless others. The SEC fails miserably at official accountability. The league office doggedly, and quite stupidly, protects officials who exhibit mass quotients of either incompetence or bias. That this has been the case for decades only serves to make fans more angry and makes your perspective that much less applicable here.

As a fan, I understand blowing a call. I don't think even I have ever castigated a ref over a single call. But if you make repeated bad calls in the same direction, that suggests bias. If you think your exalted position isn't subject to the first amendment and gives you the right to eject fans who question your ethics, you should be terminated and/or sued when you try it. Players and coaches are different, but you have no authority over fans so long as they are not using profanity nor making physical threats.

Incompetence combined with an enormous ego comprise an appropriately ripe target for heckling fans. You actively pursued your "position of power" now suck it up and take the beating you deserve if your bias or incompetence alter the course of a game. As for me trying it, I'm too busy to do it right, so I'll pass.

If nothing changes and no accountability is transparently established, one of several bad things will eventually happen. The worst, the physical violence, is probably the most likely and if it does happen the carnage and responsibility should lay at the feet of the SEC. The SEC office needs to be purged and officials need to be publicly graded and reprimanded with significant consequences. If there appears to be strong bias, publicly investigate the schools and their boosters as well. I can't think of a single negative from creating accountability, unless of course you are the one with power and you don't want to give it up. Oh, wait, that sounds a lot like a ref doesn't it. Imagine that...
 
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Let me get this straight because I would hate to think I misinterpreted the OP's explanation.
"It is hard"? Are you friggin serious? They can't call a clean game because it is hard? I guess joining the Marine Corp is out of the question if reading a rule book is "hard".
 
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1TheCoach1 said:
Let me get this straight because I would hate to think I misinterpreted the OP's explanation.
"It is hard"? Are you friggin serious? They can't call a clean game because it is hard? I guess joining the Marine Corp is out of the question if reading a rule book is "hard".
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I agree with what you are saying, calling a clean game is a must, having those with the dedication and ability to call games is a must, those that fall short in any category-no zebra stripes for you. Now regarding the ludicrous assertion that the officials are being "paid off" (not being made by you) those making that type of charge, should be required to provide substantial evidence, and if they can not, they should keep that crap to themselves. We are talking about the reputation of honorable men-that can't come forward on their own behalf. This type of rumor damages the prestige of the SEC, thus it harms UT and the State of Tennessee.
 
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mudhen said:
After reading most of the trashing that the refs got at the bama game, I have something to say to you guys who are sh$% talking. You think its easy? YOU try it. I've been a soccer referee since 2003 and it wasn't until the last few years that I feel that I "get it". Officiating ANY sport at other than the Pee wee level takes years of dedication, study, and practice. Once boys get to the junior high age, they are fast and you have less than a second to decide all of this; fair or foul, if foul, then what kind of foul, and did the fouled team lose a promising play ( yes, advantage IS called in football, just not out loud like in soccer. Remember, you are also usually RUNNING when this is taking place. At the higher level of the game, referees are vetted thoroughly before they are even considered for selection, and once chosen, it is easy to get the boot, and nigh on impossible to come back once that happens. The refs do tons of tape study and are debriefed by mentors after every game, every decision gone over. Now, as for former players becoming officials, U.S. soccer had a special fast track for former pros to be officials but they called it off because they found that the players tended to THINK like a player and not like a ref, and they are very, very, different mind sets. Being a "homer" would be immediately noticed by the staff, and your career would end that day. In any sport. The fastest way for a player or coach, or fan to get tossed out from any game i officiate is to accuse me of being a cheater. Face it folks, the call may be bad, but the intent was anything but.
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Go cry somewhere else Gumby.... or Tweety..... I donā€™t know if you wear a green or yellow jersey
 
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#95
There is so much BS in this thread. I know one former SEC ref who now officiates for the NFL and another SEC line judge. Both close to 40, former Ole Miss football players, phenomenal shape, etc...love asking them questions. People in the business of football are no longer fans, it is work and while I understand this is hard to relate to, making a job of it changes everything.

They are graded on all games. They do get put on probation for blowing calls. They arenā€™t allowed to ref games for their alma mater and they also are not allowed to participate in ā€œfandomā€ of any type in public. They have random drug screens and physicals. SEC is constantly recruiting but they are extremely selective. I know many of HS ref that has not made the cut and some of them were pretty dang decent. Also, dummies need not apply as many a meathead who loves football has been denied. They break up crews sometimes but strive to keep them together and they take pride in their performance while trying to be the best and ultimately officiate the SEC Champ game as that is the crew that graded out the best for that year. The bonus is nice as well I hear.

Video should have the final say in anything officiating, period. Screw the technicality crap, this needs to go as officiating is all about keeping a contest fair and as safe as possible. Just because it wasnā€™t targeting doesnā€™t mean RTP canā€™t be called, this is ludicrous. Subjective calls have to be minimized as with the DT call. Blew some calls, yes. Cheating, highly, highly doubtful.

For the record, pee wee soccer is not even close to applicable.
 
#97
#97
I kinda see the OPs whole point behind this but itā€™s been clear for years that SEC officials play favorites. It wasnā€™t just our game this past weekend, did you watch the USC/UF game?
Someone somewhere is telling these refs to protect the top teams every year. There was no way they were gonna let USC upset the top 2 teams in the East. And do t even try bringing up Mizzou cause everyone knew they werenā€™t a top team before this past weekend even started. I was honesty shocked they were calling the PI and holding calls against the bama DBs because for years they got away with those calls and were just written off as them just being better. UF has always gotten away with blatant PI and they made sure that was gonna stand last Saturday when they watched them hold a guy for 60yds and somehow no official saw anything.
 
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mudhen said:
After reading most of the trashing that the refs got at the bama game, I have something to say to you guys who are sh$% talking. You think its easy? YOU try it. I've been a soccer referee since 2003 and it wasn't until the last few years that I feel that I "get it". Officiating ANY sport at other than the Pee wee level takes years of dedication, study, and practice. Once boys get to the junior high age, they are fast and you have less than a second to decide all of this; fair or foul, if foul, then what kind of foul, and did the fouled team lose a promising play ( yes, advantage IS called in football, just not out loud like in soccer. Remember, you are also usually RUNNING when this is taking place. At the higher level of the game, referees are vetted thoroughly before they are even considered for selection, and once chosen, it is easy to get the boot, and nigh on impossible to come back once that happens. The refs do tons of tape study and are debriefed by mentors after every game, every decision gone over. Now, as for former players becoming officials, U.S. soccer had a special fast track for former pros to be officials but they called it off because they found that the players tended to THINK like a player and not like a ref, and they are very, very, different mind sets. Being a "homer" would be immediately noticed by the staff, and your career would end that day. In any sport. The fastest way for a player or coach, or fan to get tossed out from any game i officiate is to accuse me of being a cheater. Face it folks, the call may be bad, but the intent was anything but.
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SEC refs suck!!!
 
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