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HankHill said:
Do they state their formula in which they come up with that. Bc all those other ones are reasonably around the same ranking. That 46 is way off our others
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They don’t actually publish their formula. I don’t think anyone does. Everyone it seems treats their work as proprietary and tries to avoid making it too easy to reverse engineer. They do say they account for prior performance, recruiting, returning production, with special consideration for returning quarterbacks and head coaches.

I was looking at the raw numbers for our total offense and total defense over the past three years. I’ve been trying to find some metric that corroborates Pruitt’s “claim” that we are 100 times better now than we were at this time last year.

Our offense ranked #14 in the SEC in total offense in 2017. In 2018 we had a tremendous jump up to a ranking of #14 in the SEC and through the first 4 games of this year we have climbed all the way up to almost the very top, coming in at #14.

Our defense came in at #10 in the conference for total defense in 2017. We inched up to #9 in 2018, and through the first 4 games of this year we’re up to #8.

I’m fast coming to the conclusion that if Pruitt doesn’t find someone else to run his offense on the field we’re never going to see much evidence of his “claim” in areas of unit performance that might actually be recognizable. In fact, despite all protestations to the contrary, I think if he doesn’t do something soon we’re going to end up paying him the next few years to be an intern on Derek Mason’s staff at Vanderbilt. jmo.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Fans are so funny and impatient. Incredibly impatient. Nobody wanted Bronco Mendenhall after the first couple years at Virginia. He was labeled a bust my many. Now four years into the program rebuild, a 4-0 start, and he’s this great genius coach Tennessee fans dream of.

Same with Cutcliff at Duke. He wasn’t good enough to be our coach a decade ago. He was old and washed up, we can do better we said. Things started out slow for him at Duke. But he changed the culture, built a respectable program and 10 years later Tennessee fans now wish we had him.

I’ll let some of you guys in on a little secret... Jeremy Pruitt didn’t become a bad football coach after moving to Knoxville. He inherited an enormous mess. Over a decade of bad decisions. And if given time, in a few years, I’d bet other teams would wish he were coaching their team. But it’s doubtful he’ll be given that amount of time by our fans and administration. He’ll most likely be fired this year or next and we’ll start all over again with another coordinator or head coach from a small conference. And do it all over again. The insanity will continue.
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Ron, we are all idiots who have lucky guesses from time to time
 
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Specs said:
When you're resigned to losing games, how you lose them really starts to matter.

Tons of holding and 15yd penalties on the o line. That's a guaranteed punt with this offense.

Inability of the defense to line up correctly.

Extremely poor secondary play which really should be a strong point given the players/coaches.

We all knew it was going to be a long season, but please just look coached.

I can take not being able to do what you want from personnel limitations. I can take getting out run or run over or pushed around. But I cant take sloppy football.
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Good points but something is confusing. Take last year for example. Our secondary was a huge strength wouldnt you say? Now this year they dont seem as good. Why? Pruitt is still there. Ansley came on board. So why does it seem like the secondary isnt as good? Did Pruitt and Ansley just all of a sudden forget how to coach? Whats the likelihood of that?

On lining up correctly, why are the players struggling with that? So is Pruitt and Ansley calling plays during games that the players have never practiced? If so, then thats 100% their fault for doing that. But does that make sense? Does it really make sense that the coaches would tell the defense to line up, in game, that the team has NEVER practiced? No it doesnt. So, if they are actually calling in plays that the team HAS ptacticed and the team STILL lines up wrong, whos fault is that? Its on the players.

Penalties are yet another player problem. Do you think the staff teaches these guys to hold, jump offsides and commit other penalties at practice? The same with turnovers, dropped passes, bad reads and missed tackles. Do you think the coaches dont hammer these guys at practice about these things? So if a coaching staff works on these things day in and day out, and the players look good at practice, yet fail to replicate that in a game, whose fault is that?

Long story short, while we certainly can pit blame on the coaches, at some point people are going to have to hold these players accountable for their play on gameday.
 
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jakez4ut said:
agreed. The sad part is we have seen these players put in the right spots, only to see something dumb happen.

Penalty that kills a drive... Turnover that takes away points... Or a blown coverage in a game deciding situation...

Or the coaches mismanaging personnel in a game that should have been a walk over. But even in that game you saw the same row of mistakes... Veteran QB and RB that can't complete a swing pass? A veteran QB that didn't see underneath coverage and throws red zone picks...

Frustrating all the way around..
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Agreed. The coaches have put us in great positions to be 3-1 and competitive against UF this year. Yet like you said, every time a stupid play screws it up.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Fans are so funny and impatient. Incredibly impatient. Nobody wanted Bronco Mendenhall after the first couple years at Virginia. He was labeled a bust my many. Now four years into the program rebuild, a 4-0 start, and he’s this great genius coach Tennessee fans dream of.

Same with Cutcliff at Duke. He wasn’t good enough to be our coach a decade ago. He was old and washed up, we can do better we said. Things started out slow for him at Duke. But he changed the culture, built a respectable program and 10 years later Tennessee fans now wish we had him.

I’ll let some of you guys in on a little secret... Jeremy Pruitt didn’t become a bad football coach after moving to Knoxville. He inherited an enormous mess. Over a decade of bad decisions. And if given time, in a few years, I’d bet other teams would wish he were coaching their team. But it’s doubtful he’ll be given that amount of time by our fans and administration. He’ll most likely be fired this year or next and we’ll start all over again with another coordinator or head coach from a small conference. And do it all over again. The insanity will continue.
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Bronco was 99-43 at BYU. Already well established as a good head coach. Was practically a foregone conclusion that he would do well at UVA when given enough time.

And I agree with you that Pruitt didn't forget how to coach football. The question is whether he's head coach material. He's never been one before, so we don't know. Right now all we have to judge him on is 6-10, including one of the worst losses in UT football history and potentially our worst season ever coming up.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
Since we are in to knit picking, I really don’t understand why CJP put No. 2 back in the game.

You made the switch to No. 18 at halftime. Just stick with it.

Ride it out and let him go.

No sense in taking him out IMO.
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JMO, maybe the coaches thought that it would shock #2 out of the deer in the headlights incisive state that he was in. Regardless of the QB, the game was lost at that point...if it worked, then great. It didn’t work, so it also helped the coaching staff make their next decision. Wide open QB competition through bye week and uga week. They know that #2 won’t win the starting job at this point. Hopefully, they run full bore, full contact for all QBs so that they have actual game simulation to determine the starter and backups.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Agreed. The coaches have put us in great positions to be 3-1 and competitive against UF this year. Yet like you said, every time a stupid play screws it up.
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Get real. We were competitive against BYU and we beat UTC. Ga St. dominated the line of scrimmage and had their way with us. We had a few splash plays and that's it. Florida soundly beat us. We were never in that game, they dominated the line of scrimmage and the backup QB picked the secondary apart.
 
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Aesius said:
Bronco was 99-43 at BYU. Already well established as a good head coach. Was practically a foregone conclusion that he would do well at UVA when given enough time.

And I agree with you that Pruitt didn't forget how to coach football. The question is whether he's head coach material. He's never been one before, so we don't know. Right now all we have to judge him on is 6-10, including one of the worst losses in UT football history and potentially our worst season ever coming up.
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I'm willing to bet that after mendenhalls first year there were at least some folks in Charlottesville that wondered whether or not they made the right choice too.

We have the benefit of hindsight with him.

And I'd say that given BM s experience 2-10 is even more unexplainable than that of a guy that's doing this for the first time at a program in the sec that fancies itself as more than being a 2nd tier ACC program...

Do we get to the point of hindsight with Pruitt?

I pretty much guarantee that if we hired BM and he went 2-10 in year one, the same people calling for Pruitt's head now wouldn't want get to a year 4 with BM either...

But now I'm expected to believe that we should be jealous of UVA and their hire?

Siap...b freaking s.
 
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jakez4ut said:
I think slinging it in general is part of the problem...

Need to run the ball more... Not necessarily be stubborn about it... But it needs to be more of a priority.... Have to win 1st down more than we do.

That's been a problem for a long time...waay too many 2 & 7+ and 3rd and longs...

We've had periods of time where we were really good on 3rd down conversions so it kinda hid it..

But we struggle to stay on schedule with down and distance... And have fire a while...

Not necessarily a key for UGA... But just in general...
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Can’t run the ball unless you can throw the ball.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Meaning what?
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Look back over any previous coach or coaching search. How has it all played out? We are all so sure of this coach or whatever, and we are always wrong. We hit one thing and look good for a moment, but we mostly have no idea what we are talking about.

3 years ago, Fuente looked awesome.
Taggart seemed ready to run with FSU
Orgeron couldn’t get out of his own way and ran off a top coordinator
Dooley was a joke
Chip Kelly was going to destroy at his next stop

It’s comical how little we know and how loudly we proclaim it
 
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Aesius said:
Bronco was 99-43 at BYU. Already well established as a good head coach. Was practically a foregone conclusion that he would do well at UVA when given enough time.

And I agree with you that Pruitt didn't forget how to coach football. The question is whether he's head coach material. He's never been one before, so we don't know. Right now all we have to judge him on is 6-10, including one of the worst losses in UT football history and potentially our worst season ever coming up.
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That’s correct, Bronco did well at BYU. But don’t pretend after his first couple years at UVA there weren’t many labeling him a bust. That happened.

And you’re right Pruitt is 6-10 thru his first 10 games at UT. You know what Bronco’s record was after 16 games at UVA? 5-11. He finished 8-17 after 2 seasons in Charlottesville. And I live nearby, it wasn’t a happy bunch. He then went 7-5 in year 3 plus a bowl win. And now 4-0 to start year 4. Maybe, if given more time, Pruitt has a similar year 3-4.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
That’s correct, Bronco did well at BYU. But don’t pretend after his first couple years at UVA there weren’t many labeling him a bust. That happened.

And you’re right Pruitt is 6-10 thru his first 10 games at UT. You know what Bronco’s record was after 16 games at UVA? 5-11. He finished 8-17 after 2 seasons in Charlottesville. And I live nearby, it wasn’t a happy bunch. He then went 7-5 in year 3 plus a bowl win. And now 4-0 to start year 4. Maybe, if given more time, Pruitt has a similar year 3-4.
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He'll get 4 no matter what. He could lose every game from now till the end of year 3 and not get fired. It's a moot point to even debate it.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Look back over any previous coach or coaching search. How has it all played out? We are all so sure of this coach or whatever, and we are always wrong. We hit one thing and look good for a moment, but we mostly have no idea what we are talking about.

3 years ago, Fuente looked awesome.
Taggart seemed ready to run with FSU
Orgeron couldn’t get out of his own way and ran off a top coordinator
Dooley was a joke
Chip Kelly was going to destroy at his next stop

It’s comical how little we know and how loudly we proclaim it
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Oh, yes, you are 100% correct. Its quite hilarious.
 
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I completely forgot we took a transfer WR this year - Braden Collins from App State.

Not that he's a game breaker, but IIRC the write up of him was he was an ideal slot guy.

So that would give us:

Palmer (SR)
Gibbs (R-JR)
Collins (R-SO)
Tillman (R-So)
Keyton (So)
Means (either R-Fr or So)

Plus possibly
Hyatt (Fr)
Calloway

and 1-2 more true freshman


Thats 7, possibly up to 9 receivers. And Jacob Warren at TE who is really a glorified tweener receiving TE.
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
I completely forgot we took a transfer WR this year - Braden Collins from App State.

Not that he's a game breaker, but IIRC the write up of him was he was an ideal slot guy.

So that would give us:

Palmer (SR)
Gibbs (R-JR)
Collins (R-SO)
Tillman (R-So)
Keyton (So)
Means (either R-Fr or So)

Plus possibly
Hyatt (Fr)
Calloway

and 1-2 more true freshman


Thats 7, possibly up to 9 receivers. And Jacob Warren at TE who is really a glorified tweener receiving TE.
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Might as well go ahead and add walk on Montgomery to the list.
 
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