Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[TrippieRedd]

We are literally handcuffed at QB. Unless we bring in Paul Johnson, we are what we are until we make a change at QB. I am not one that thinks the light will come on for JG. That light is blown.

We don’t have comparable rosters to those teams. I do not care about your recruiting rankings or any of that. It’s 100% obvious. We literally haven’t run away from a terrible team in 3 years, other than UTC and I think ETSU. Those two would lose to Maryville. The no devleopment plus Butch letting his players skip workouts during his time here has put us where we are now. Like Barton Simmons said, Butch’s recruits wanted to be recruited rather than play. Like Jacquez said, those coaches didn’t recruit him, which implies he and the others that are leaving didn’t mesh well with his coaching style(soft azz kids).

Edit: replied to the wrong person.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Let's just start with, would Pruitt have won 2 games at Virginia in year 1? Then open year 2 at 5-1, like Bronco did with 4 of those 5 wins being in conference wins, and 2 of those being on the road.

It's just a what-if argument, but Bronco would have without a doubt won more than 8 games at this point in his UT tenure. He has a proven track record at two different schools with far less doing it. Not "I think he can do it" but actual on the field results doing it.

It’s not even about how many more he’d win here with comparable talent. It’s about the fact that we’re going backwards in two years at Tennessee in two seasons and he moved forward in two seasons at Virginia.

Yes, if he went 2-10 here in Year one we’d all be pissed. (He wouldn’t have but that’s besides the point.) But a four game improvement in year two would’ve had everyone singing his praises.

It’s not just about results. There’s something to be said about being on the correct trajectory.

 

[engineerVOL]

Maybe I was before all this? Ever consider that...blueprint boy?

Ah. You ARE old.

 

[zhangliao04]

As a Saints fan I’m deeply conflicted over this

Made the Tuscan chicken last night. GAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

 

[jakez4ut]

Bronco would probably start out better here than Virginia considering he would have started out with much better talent.

lol. man y'all on this "what if" deal with Bronco like a rat on a cheeto..................

 

[Kingston Vol]

lol. man y'all on this "what if" deal with Bronco like a rat on a cheeto..................

The entire justification of keeping Jeremy Pruitt around is built on the question “what if he figures it out?” There’s literally no other substance to it.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

lol. man y'all on this "what if" deal with Bronco like a rat on a cheeto..................

Because you're takes are terrible on Bronco, and the typos are distracting as well!

Eh, doesn't matter anyway. Pruitt is our coach and I'm riding with him until he's fired. Then I'll get my hopes up for names floated in the next search, probably hate who they hire. Then completely flip my opinion and be all in again, rinse/lather/repeat.

#gbo

 

[tennesseefan31]

Agree with those saying play the young guys, especially on defense. Feel like this group gives you the best chance to win, and definitely work in Harrison and some of the other young DL. Italics are guys who weren't on the roster when Pruitt got here...

DL: Solomon
DL: Emerson
DL: Bumphus
OLB: Crouch
OLB: Taylor
ILB: Bituli
ILB: To'oto'o
CB: Taylor
CB: Thompson
S: Jackson
S: McCollough
STAR: Shamburger

 

[MwB]

The double standard is blasting a dude who took over a Virginia team that had Mike London go 15-33 in his last 4 seasons there and legit nose dive the program. Bronco here may not have been in a better spot than CJP is, we obviously will never know. But he's proven to be a program rebuilding HC at two different spots now.

And 2-10 to 6-7 is pretty damn impressive considering how limited his roster ACTUALLY was, while we're all arguing to convince ourselves that Butch's top 20 average recruits are actually TERRIBLE. Bronco inherited back to back 50th or worse ranked classes, but 'couldn't handle' the UT rebuild with Butch's TERRIBLE roster with 17th, 14th, & 4th ranked classes.


Eh...if we fire Pruitt then I've no issue with pursuing Bronco as a top candidate. At least he's got a proven track record of rebuilding programs.

Those butch classes were awful I counted at least 15 guys from the 4th ranked class that transferred out or medically retired. 5 of the top 7 from the 14th class are non factors or they are awful. 5 of the top 7 from the 17th class are gone or have done nothing.

This will be my last post directed towards you. It just blows my mind that someone can just use 4th, 14th, 17th ranked classes without actually going back and looking at those classes. If that 4th ranked class was reranked I am not sure if it would be in the top 50. In hindsight those classes were very bad and unfortunate due to transfers and medical retirements.

 

[Chuckie]

Go take my poll:

An Experiment:

At the risk of painting myself into the "nega-vol" corner and never being able to claw my way out of it, I put my vote in for 1-11.

Sometimes when we are getting ourselves hyped up for the upcoming season or game, there will be some posters that say things like, "15-0 'til we ain't", etc. And I really do understand the sentiment. However, based on what we've been given as data and evidence upon which we can make a prediction, I've swung all the way to "1-11 'til we ain't." I said in a post earlier this week that if we roll into the UAB game at 1-7 an overwhelming majority of our team won't give 1/2 a sh!t about Tennessee, this season, or probably football in general. At the same time, every damn Blazer on that opponent sideline is going to believe they can beat us. It's a bad recipe. As for the rest of the schedule, I haven't seen anything so far this year (and the end of last year) that makes me think we can beat any team in the SEC.

Required disclaimer: I hope I'm wrong. I know that our team may improve and the younger players should get better as the season progresses. I'll more than likely watch every second of every game regardless of our record so don't give me this crap about being a bad fan or whatever. Like the vast majority of y'all on here, I'm a part of a toxic, dysfunctional relationship with Tennessee football. I should have left her a long time ago, but for some reason I just can't do it.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Anyway, the idea of “who do you hire?” is faulty logic, in my opinion.

You decide if you think Jeremy Pruitt has done a good enough job to warrant staying employed here. You make that decision first.

If the answer is “no,” you then start debating the merits of the group of coaches against each other - not against Jeremy Pruitt.

 

[JAllen18]

The entire justification of keeping Jeremy Pruitt around is built on the question “what if he figures it out?” There’s literally no other substance to it.

How about, I dont know, build the roster? Get some talent here? Butch's guys arent cutting it outside a handful of talent that he left.

 

[TrippieRedd]

The entire justification of keeping Jeremy Pruitt around is built on the question “what if he figures it out?” There’s literally no other substance to it.

How about we just support our Head Coach. Don’t give me this “he is 1-3” ********. Just stfu and support your coach and team. If he figures it out great, if doesn’t oh well. Just stop being a keyboard warrior, it’s literally been 24/7 the past week with you. You and 4 others care so much about something that won’t happen this year.

 

[JAllen18]

There's a reason most of Butch's 17 class are transferring out of here, or on the bench. They're not beating out Pruitt's guys.

 

[Kingston Vol]

How about, I dont know, build the roster? Get some talent here? Butch's guys arent cutting it outside a handful of talent that he left.

We don’t *know* that he can build the roster. That’s still a question mark.

 

[Blake25p]

 

[Kingston Vol]

There's a reason most of Butch's 17 class are transferring out of here, or on the bench. They're not beating out Pruitt's guys.

That happens after every coaching change at every school in the country.

(Not to mention that our best player at every position were all signed or initially recruited by Butch.)

 

[InstrumentalVol]

We don’t *know* that he can build the roster. That’s still a question mark.

Except Butch's guys from the 17 class are transferring out because Pruitt's freshmen & sophomores are already dominating the lineup. Do you ever logoff VN? You've been talking about the same thing for over a week.

 

[Ace]

Dooley did not sign a single offensive lineman in his last class. Butch Jones had multiple offensive linemen that they missed on or took medical hardship.
The SEC is a line of scrimmage league. Beating Auburn and Kentucky last year was smoke and mirrors. This is a four year rebuild. Offensive line is getting better personnel wise. Our greatest concern is not wins and losses. Our greatest concern is defensive line recruiting.

 

[butchna]

Ah. You ARE old.

Almost. 50 in October.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Except Butch's guys from the 17 class are transferring out because Pruitt's freshmen & sophomores are already dominating the lineup. Do you ever logoff VN? You've been talking about the same thing for over a week.

Saying Butch was bad does not mean Pruitt is good. It’s not a zero sum proposition.

 

[Ace]

Almost. 50 in October.

Sonny boy

 

[jakez4ut]

It’s not even about how many more he’d win here with comparable talent. It’s about the fact that we’re going backwards in two years at Tennessee in two seasons and he moved forward in two seasons at Virginia.

Yes, if he went 2-10 here in Year one we’d all be pissed. (He wouldn’t have but that’s besides the point.) But a four game improvement in year two would’ve had everyone singing his praises.

It’s not just about results. There’s something to be said about being on the correct trajectory.

you can't argue trajectory in a positive manner given the record we have right now, so i'm not really gonna try.

the only thing i will say is that in regards to the QB, the way he was used/managed last year to what he was expected to do this year are two differen things.....he simply wasn't asked to do much last year. you saw it in his number in attempts the typs of throws he was asked to make etc....

this year, he was expected to be more of that field general, gonna make calls, check in/out of plays, be more of a play maker, put more of the offense on his shoulders.

he can't do it. that's bad. and worse, he gave no indication thru out the off season that he couldn't do it.

this, to me, is the single most detrimental issue this year's football team has........

second to that would be the play we've gotten in the defensive backfield, specifically at Safety. AT has had his struggles, but i put that on the concept change to some degree, and not having Thompons to start the year.

positives....RB, OL and LB--LB has not been stellar, but there are signs of life.....and the future looks pretty good.

WR i think have been better, there's just been no pay off given the QB play.

if you want to find positives, you can. but getting someone to see past 1-3 is difficult. having said all that, still have the major issue at QB........the issue at Safety and our DL is still a question mark, though on the whole, we've been a little better against the run.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Those butch classes were awful I counted at least 15 guys from the 4th ranked class that transferred out or medically retired. 5 of the top 7 from the 14th class are non factors or they are awful. 5 of the top 7 from the 17th class are gone or have done nothing.

This will be my last post directed towards you. It just blows my mind that someone can just use 4th, 14th, 17th ranked classes without actually going back and looking at those classes. If that 4th ranked class was reranked I am not sure if it would be in the top 50. In hindsight those classes were very bad and unfortunate due to transfers and medical retirements.

Attrition happens with every class, at every program. But those are where the classes were ranked, I didn't rank them. Nor am I re-ranking them, what blows my mind is how often people try to use hindsight to reevaluate something. The roster Pruitt inherited were in those 3 classes, and that's where they ranked.

The roster Bronco inherited was 50th, 53rd, and 33rd for the previous 3 classes under London. Will you also now count those 3 classes and report back how many transferred out or medically retired, then use the same hindsight to evaluate the stock Bronco had to work with in his first 2 season at Virginia?

 

[jakez4ut]

The entire justification of keeping Jeremy Pruitt around is built on the question “what if he figures it out?” There’s literally no other substance to it.

never said otherwise.

just gonna have to find something better to "what if" with than a guy that went 2-10, and tell me we'd be happier with him, knowing full well you have no desire what so ever to see Pruitt even get a shot at a year 3 or 4 turnaround like BM has gotten at UVA.... lol.