Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[Kingston Vol]

then don't give me Bronco Mendenhall as an example of someone that we should want in lieu of the guy we got.

it's a double standaard to say 'we'd be better off with this guy' when that guy sucked out loud......and that's knowing that he was an experienced head coach, a successful head coach, that fell flat on his face his first two years....we're not talkinig about a guy that's doing this for the first time, nor are we talking about a coach that is trying to do it at a school or in a conference that's loaded with land mines.......

so far, the only reason i've been presented with that says bronco is better than pruitt is that he's not at Tennessee....that's it.

You have a valid argument but what I’d say is that we know Mendenhall has built something before. We don’t know it with Pruitt. So you’re asking me to hope Pruitt can do it when I know Mendenhall can.

But yes, neither are a guarantee. I suppose it all comes down to how you personally make decisions.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Yea i mean bottom line Pruitt has to earn that opportunity tho. You can’t win 1 or 2 games in a season at Tennessee. I really don’t care the circumstances. If you can’t win 1 game against a P5 opponent, you have no business being out head coach.

It’s the same argument i had against hue jackson for the browns. After he went 0-16 you should be fired immediately no questions asked.

that's a dumb take.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

You have a valid argument but what I’d say is that we know Mendenhall has built something before. We don’t know it with Pruitt. So you’re asking me to hope Pruitt can do it when I know Mendenhall can.

But yes, neither are a guarantee. I suppose it all comes down to how you personally make decisions.

so you are not willing to wait and see? Makes sense....

 

[PYSCHO]

We need a warrior leading them out 1st and second half.

No with his pass defense dropping out of site I think 18 warrior came out with the band the second half. They left him a seat

 

[Scvol7906]

Still waiting on mine!

Same for me

 

[HankHill]

then don't give me Bronco Mendenhall as an example of someone that we should want in lieu of the guy we got.

it's a double standaard to say 'we'd be better off with this guy' when that guy sucked out loud......and that's knowing that he was an experienced head coach, a successful head coach, that fell flat on his face his first two years....we're not talkinig about a guy that's doing this for the first time, nor are we talking about a coach that is trying to do it at a school or in a conference that's loaded with land mines.......

so far, the only reason i've been presented with that says bronco is better than pruitt is that he's not at Tennessee....that's it.

It’s virginia lol they have much a lower floor, expectations, and ceiling and like i said before if bronco won 2 or 3 games in year 2 then he should be fired too or at least on a very hot seat.i literally said both coaches get a complete pass . and also you’re kind of hurting your own argument. Knowing that he has been a successful head coach usually gives you a bit longer leash.

Pruitt doesn’t have that card in his deck to tell people to trust his process

 

[Devo182]

This is our offensive play distribution for the first 4 games this year, sorted by yards earned.

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And this is our offensive play distribution against Florida, sorted by yards earned.

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Inside zone read and inside power...woof.

 

[Kingston Vol]

so you are not willing to wait and see? Makes sense....

I’m willing to wait if given ANYTHING to make it worth my while. Get to four wins this season and I’ll personally give him a third year.

I believe we’re being extremely patient given the fact we’re on pace for 8 wins in two years and three non-elite recruiting classes.

 

[TrueVolsGBOInsider]

We've played one SEC opponent through 4 games lol Bronco would coach circles around Pruitt at this stage.

You say this as if Virginia’s schedule is great. Get over yourself with that.

 

[jakez4ut]

Maybe Pruitt will end up an elite head coach here.......I don't know but right now Bronco is the better head football coach. He has an established record of success and right now Pruitt is still learning how to be a head coach.

gonna have to do better than an 8 win start over 2 years at Tennessee...and if he couldn't swing that a UVA, no chance he could here....Bronco would be on the chopping block same as pruitt is now.

the only thing that makes him better............BYU.....and being given the opportunity to get to a 4-0 start in year 4 at UVA....

wonder if we'll be able to compare notes on a year 4 with Pruitt?

 

[jakez4ut]

The double standard is blasting a dude who took over a Virginia team that had Mike London go 15-33 in his last 4 seasons there and legit nose dive the program. Bronco here may not have been in a better spot than CJP is, we obviously will never know. But he's proven to be a program rebuilding HC at two different spots now.

And 2-10 to 6-7 is pretty damn impressive considering how limited his roster ACTUALLY was, while we're all arguing to convince ourselves that Butch's top 20 average recruits are actually TERRIBLE. Bronco inherited back to back 50th or worse ranked classes, but 'couldn't handle' the UT rebuild with Butch's TERRIBLE roster with 17th, 14th, & 4th ranked classes.


Eh...if we fire Pruitt then I've no issue with pursuing Bronco as a top candidate. At least he's got a proven track record of rebuilding programs.

i'm not blasing anybody.

i challenge the notion that if we had Bronco Mendenhall and all he couuld muster is 8 wins over 2 seasons, that included a 2-10 season that included losses to Richmond, every ACC team in existence and Uconn, that he'd be met with "just give him time, he's a proven head coach".

B. freaking S....

 

[volinexile17]

I wouldn’t mind never seeing another backward swing pass again.

 

[HankHill]

that's a dumb take.

How so?

Don’t tell me we don’t have at least comparable rosters to Ga State, BYU, Vandy, UK, and SC. I don’t care about beating utc they are legitimately the worst team I’ve ever seen us play.

If Pruitt and staff can’t win 2 of those games in year 2 after returning his entire team basically except Kyle and shy, then they have no business being here imo.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

How so?

Don’t tell me we don’t have at least comparable rosters to Ga State, BYU, Vandy, UK, and SC. I don’t care about beating utc they are legitimately the worst team I’ve ever seen us play.

If Pruitt and staff can’t win 2 of those games in year 2 after returning his entire team basically except Kyle and shy, then they have no business being here imo.

We are literally handcuffed at QB. Unless we bring in Paul Johnson, we are what we are until we make a change at QB. I am not one that thinks the light will come on for JG. That light is blown.

 

[T Dog]

No with his pass defense dropping out of site I think 18 warrior came out with the band the second half. They left him a seat

I know he has seemed to regress also. Why I said we need "A" warrior to lead this team out.

 

[jakez4ut]

It’s virginia lol they have much a lower floor, expectations, and ceiling and like i said before if bronco won 2 or 3 games in year 2 then he should be fired too or at least on a very hot seat.i literally said both coaches get a complete pass . and also you’re kind of hurting your own argument. Knowing that he has been a successful head coach usually gives you a bit longer leash.

Pruitt doesn’t have that card in his deck to tell people to trust his process

no chance he gets a longer leash with a 2-10 season under his belt. it'd be 'BYU is not Tennessee'....lol.

as for expectations and status or whatever...this program has 8 losing seasons in the lat 12 years. yeah, there's a standard we're trying to get back to......

but ain't nobody taking over this program in it's current shape and talking about low/high floors etc........all this program has is a high celing.....not sure where the floor is right now.

 

[Dooby15]

I wouldn’t mind never seeing another backward swing pass again.

No kidding, definitely not Chandler’s favorite play.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Brees to Miami is probably the biggest what if/ripple effect that has happened in the last 15 years. Every team benefits without Saban at Bama except them.

As a Saints fan I’m deeply conflicted over this

 

[Chuckie]

I hope mine fits. I am a large, but my Nike UT shirt that I got at the Vol shop before UF 2016 is honestly too small, though most Larges fit me fine. Sounds like this shirt is middle of the road. Is it Nike?

No, it's Gildan. My thinking was exactly the same as yours. I'm generally an XL, but in Nike shirts I have to do 2X, so I went that route with this one. It's waaaaaaay too wide and not quite long enough.

 

[jakez4ut]

As a Saints fan I’m deeply conflicted over this

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

I’m willing to wait if given ANYTHING to make it worth my while. Get to four wins this season and I’ll personally give him a third year.

I believe we’re being extremely patient given the fact we’re on pace for 8 wins in two years and three non-elite recruiting classes.

Last year's class was good. What do you consider elite? '18 Class was cobbled together. I know that CPF and CJP can not wait to hear whether or not you will grant him a 3rd year. Personally, I am sitting on pins and needles.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

i'm not blasing anybody.

i challenge the notion that if we had Bronco Mendenhall and all he couuld muster is 8 wins over 2 seasons, that included a 2-10 season that included losses to Richmond, every ACC team in existence and Uconn, that he'd be met with "just give him time, he's a proven head coach".

B. freaking S....

Let's just start with, would Pruitt have won 2 games at Virginia in year 1? Then open year 2 at 5-1, like Bronco did with 4 of those 5 wins being in conference wins, and 2 of those being on the road.

It's just a what-if argument, but Bronco would have without a doubt won more than 8 games at this point in his UT tenure. He has a proven track record at two different schools with far less doing it. Not "I think he can do it" but actual on the field results doing it.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

i'm not blasing anybody.

i challenge the notion that if we had Bronco Mendenhall and all he couuld muster is 8 wins over 2 seasons, that included a 2-10 season that included losses to Richmond, every ACC team in existence and Uconn, that he'd be met with "just give him time, he's a proven head coach".

B. freaking S....

Bronco would probably start out better here than Virginia considering he would have started out with much better talent.

 

[Kingston Vol]

We are literally handcuffed at QB. Unless we bring in Paul Johnson, we are what we are until we make a change at QB. I am not one that thinks the light will come on for JG. That light is blown.

This is the same QB as last year. Why are we so much worse?

 

[Memphisvol87]

How so?

Don’t tell me we don’t have at least comparable rosters to Ga State, BYU, Vandy, UK, and SC. I don’t care about beating utc they are legitimately the worst team I’ve ever seen us play.

If Pruitt and staff can’t win 2 of those games in year 2 after returning his entire team basically except Kyle and shy, then they have no business being here imo.

I don’t think we have comparable rosters to them. We have lots of young talent who have been in a strength program for 1 year, maybe 2. Maybe on paper we do but you see them results the last few years . We are getting beat because these other teams have depth and have stability in strength and conditioning . Ga state is the outlier.