Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Does that dude think Nigel Warrior is Maurer?

you going blind on me old man?

 

[mrmax86]

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[chargervol]

To be fair, that's the same half we then got outscored 24-3...

Has nothing to do with it. The number of posts here claiming that exact drive was the only spark, yet it happened directly after that walkout. So did our only points.

 

[HankHill]

dunno how many assistants get replaced. i think you could look at Weinke, Rocker and Friend, maybe sherrer?

but you gotta be a little careful in that, cuase like you said, dooley and butch made some not so great decisions. some of htat maybe was hamstrung a bit with what they were able to do financially for assistants, but no doubt some of those hires, or folks they let go, ultimately did them in.

up to this point, whatever Pruitt has wanted/needed, he's gotten. will need that to continue thru any "next round" of changes on the staff.

I have no doubt he will be able to pursue any assistants he wants as far as money goes. But i don’t think they will come join him ,unless somehow we make a bowl game, if he doesn’t have another year or two added onto his deal.

I wish Pruitt would’ve hired a veteran proven OL coach from the get go (not even someone like Harry Heistand Caliber) but just a proven experienced one. Look how much of an impact adding Chaney has helped already. He spends the majority of his time with OL and also did with Kiffin too. It’s why our OL was so good that year too. Can’t tell me that wouldn’t have helped. Same thing with David Johnson, Sherrar, And Ansley.

I’ll make an exception on neids bc he’s the bag man and i think TE coach is probably the least important spot on our staff. So fine use that spot as recruit first

He should’ve kept Gillespie over Weinke. I don’t think that one is even a question.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I know one fairly large booster that is apathetic to the program. He's written them off. He's still supportive but at a reduced level. I don't think he cares at this point if he Fulmer keeps him or fires him. I suspect many boosters are "call me when they're good". Just my guess. Fulmer needs something to sell, just as Pruitt does to recruits. If Pruitt is able to hold onto the current commits and add a few decent guys, especially in-state guys, he can say "Look at the future with these recruits. If he can recruit like this after the past couple of years, just think how he can recruit with some success." That's why I think his future is tied to recruiting, even this year. If win only two games but recruiting holds up, I can see them keeping him for another year. If recruiting tanks, all bets are off. Fulmer has very little to sell. Losing to Vandy at home will be a huge negative as well. Might be hard to survive that. I almost think a loss to UAB and a win at home to Vandy would be better than the opposite for him.

I know some guys who make heavy donations as well - and I can loosely gather information from them about the guys higher on the totem pole. The problem is these guys don’t care until there’s a big decision to be made then they want their voice heard. Guys that don’t even watch every UT football game think they are entitled to their say in coaching changes and stadium renovstions because they donate a ton of money. And maybe they are entitled to that say? I don’t know. And to be honest, I don’t think this problem is unique to Tennessee. It’s just the only one I can confirm.

But to your point, going into that Vanderbilt game at 2-9 and losing to them will infuriate everyone and I think it would result in a coaching change. Doesn’t mean we’ll get a full search, though.

 

[jakez4ut]

well this is due to the fact that Chandler is faster than Gray. Plus they think that if Gray makes it through the middle he has a better chance of making a guy miss and talking it to the house.

maybe true, but there's an obvious tendency there, and just based on personnel, especialy when Pope is lined up as an HBack, the defense can sniff out what's coming pretty easily.

i would expect some of this to get changed up some....

but overall, i agree, i don't know how much faster Chandler is than Gray, if at all, but i do believe Gray has excellent vision, great feet, and good burst. kid can cut on a dime and makes him really hard to tackle; he takes angles away from defenders.

one of the things i would expect to see more of is getting Chandler involved in the passing game....BEYOND the line of scrimmage. both of these kids have the skill set to do similar things as what KAmara and Mcaffery do for their respective NFL teams.....and Chaney has been good about getting RB's the ball in those kinds of situations.

and it's usually an easy read for the QB.....so i could see some emphasis on that going forward.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

So we've had an extra 2 weeks....what -other- freshmen do we expect to now see more of moving forward?

I'm thinking Roman Harrison and/or Crouch both start to push Johnson for that other OLB spot. Aaron Beasley to emerge in the 2 deep at ILB? Will Elijah Simmons get more PT or is he going to be shelved for a RS candidate?

Kenney Solomon, Tyus Fields, Jaylen McCollugh or Jerrod Means going to earn any PT?

 

[HankHill]

And this is why breaks are a good thing.
Seriously? Analyzing the walkout at halftime? That's the EXACT same series ya'll declared the team showed their only spark!

If you must pretend to be FBI body language experts, please, at least show a touch of consistency!

It’s an optics thing and you know that. It’s s no different then us having signs on our practice field saying how hot is in gainseville all fall camp then coming out and losing to GA state and BYU

 

[Kingston Vol]

By the way, can we talk about the terrible game Jim Chaney had on Saturday? We were running at a steady clip and he got way too pass heavy with JG. When you get on the goal line you don’t put the ball in the hands of the QB who is struggling. RUN THE DAMN BALL.

Then when Maurer comes in we don’t give him the opportunity to get comfortable with some RPOs or handoffs. We sling it around for some reason.

 

[jakez4ut]

So we've had an extra 2 weeks....what -other- freshmen do we expect to now see more of moving forward?

I'm thinking Roman Harrison and/or Crouch both start to push Johnson for that other OLB spot. Aaron Beasley to emerge in the 2 deep at ILB? Will Elijah Simmons get more PT or is he going to be shelved for a RS candidate?

Kenney Solomon, Tyus Fields, Jaylen McCollugh or Jerrod Means going to earn any PT?

i think if Warrior or Flowers struggles, or continues to struggle, you could see one of those two get some more reps. the rest, i think any/all are possible.

they have to find a way to generate a pass rush of some sort w/out bringing 5+ at some point.

 

[T Dog]

So we've had an extra 2 weeks....what -other- freshmen do we expect to now see more of moving forward?

I'm thinking Roman Harrison and/or Crouch both start to push Johnson for that other OLB spot. Aaron Beasley to emerge in the 2 deep at ILB? Will Elijah Simmons get more PT or is he going to be shelved for a RS candidate?

Kenney Solomon, Tyus Fields, Jaylen McCollugh or Jerrod Means going to earn any PT?

I can see Harrison pushing for PT, have not heard much on Beasley, would like it if Simmons could RS(unless he pushes for top dog spot). Heard mention of McCullough getting PT, didn't Solomon get an interception. Not heard much on Fields.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I actually thought Beasley would be a S candidate, but he's apparently stout so they seem to like moving him to ILB where he has a speed advantage.

Fields I don't see as a Safety, could be wrong. Thought he'd be a CB candidate for sure.

I'm guessing Means stays at WR and likely doesn't emerge since we still have insane depth there. Solomon has speed, but is still fairly unpolished as a DB so I don't think he makes the field.

Top 3 I think we'll start seeing on the regular.
Roman, Crouch, & Beasley

Jaylen would be the next man up I think...Theo Jackson has played well at safety though I thought. Just wonder if they would want to sit Warrior when he's so involved with pre-snap alignment.

 

[jakez4ut]

I have no doubt he will be able to pursue any assistants he wants as far as money goes. But i don’t think they will come join him ,unless somehow we make a bowl game, if he doesn’t have another year or two added onto his deal.

I wish Pruitt would’ve hired a veteran proven OL coach from the get go (not even someone like Harry Heistand Caliber) but just a proven experienced one. Look how much of an impact adding Chaney has helped already. He spends the majority of his time with OL and also did with Kiffin too. It’s why our OL was so good that year too. Can’t tell me that wouldn’t have helped. Same thing with David Johnson, Sherrar, And Ansley.

I’ll make an exception on neids bc he’s the bag man and i think TE coach is probably the least important spot on our staff. So fine use that spot as recruit first

He should’ve kept Gillespie over Weinke. I don’t think that one is even a question.

i didn't, still don't, have a huge issue with Friend. maybe having Chaney with him is what the doctor ordered? i don't think he brings much to the table from a recruiting standpoint, but i do believe that the kids that play for him really like him and think he's good...so he's got that going for him. that and if nothing else, there's been consistent coaching there, and continuity at OL just isn't a bad thing. if they do fire him, i wouldn't necessarily be surprised or upset. would understand if they kept him.

more concerning for me is the DL...need more production and better recruiting, period.

Weinke...i don't htink he's paid off like i originall thought he would, and he certainly hasn't got any results as a QB coach to speak of with JG.....so that's not a good look. but the guy has been a QB coach in the NFL, and has a tone of experience coaching qb's at all levels......but again, i can't point to what value he's added, so wouldn't be surprised or upset if he went.

if i had to guess, coming off this year, assuming it doesn't improve GREATLY, QB and DL coach are going to be easy sells as who would need to be replaced.

 

[Jimmy Football]

By the way, can we talk about the terrible game Jim Chaney had on Saturday? We were running at a steady clip and he got way too pass heavy with JG. When you get on the goal line you don’t put the ball in the hands of the QB who is struggling. RUN THE DAMN BALL.

Then when Maurer comes in we don’t give him the opportunity to get comfortable with some RPOs or handoffs. We sling it around for some reason.

I think OCs struggle to see the forest for the trees sometimes. Sort of like tunnel vision. Get too caught up in reacting to defensive schemes, setting up future play calls, staying balanced, etc., when they should focus a bit more attention on the flow of the game, what seems to be working, who has the hot hand, etc.

In other words, they don’t necessarily need to play chess if they’re winning at checkers.

 

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

One thing is certain we’d be a lot better off at this exact moment if Butch was our coach and Martinez was our QB

True. But under Butch we would have perpetually been a 6-8 win team considering how GA is now. I think the decision was made to move on fron Butch in hopes we could hire a top tier coach to get us back to completing for SEC titles. But all that got sidetracked when the FL job came open, and stole Curries3 #1 candidate in Mullen. The he went to his fall back Schiano, but Volnation had determined we deserved better. Then Currie mistakenly swung for fences and missed with Gundy. Shocker. Then Currie basically had Doeren lined up. But Volnation again deemed we deserved better and vetoed that. What was Currie to do? Where he messed up , was with Schiano as his #2. Should have did a better job vetting him. I think if a sitting HC (Doeren ) had been #2, he would be our HC now. So Phil took over got Marsha to fire Currie. Then we were left with a bunch of C list candidates, with Pruitt and Tucker topping the list.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I know some guys who make heavy donations as well - and I can loosely gather information from them about the guys higher on the totem pole. The problem is these guys don’t care until there’s a big decision to be made then they want their voice heard. Guys that don’t even watch every UT football game think they are entitled to their say in coaching changes and stadium renovstions because they donate a ton of money. And maybe they are entitled to that say? I don’t know. And to be honest, I don’t think this problem is unique to Tennessee. It’s just the only one I can confirm.

But to your point, going into that Vanderbilt game at 2-9 and losing to them will infuriate everyone and I think it would result in a coaching change. Doesn’t mean we’ll get a full search, though.

No one donates to the university without something in return. Even at the lowest levels. If you get season tickets, you donate. The more you donate, the better your tickets. Once you donate enough for the best tickets, then if you donate more you expect something else in return. When you donate a bunch, you expect some degree of influence.

Also, I think it would be better for Pruitt to go into the vandy game with one win and then beat Vandy, than going into the Vandy game with two wins and lose to Vandy. JMO. If I had to pick the results right now, I'd say we win the UAB game and win the Vandy game but lose the rest. I think he's able to hold the class together and add a few pieces. I think he survives.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

We are not Yale. We have some talent. If you barely make a bowl in year three at UT you are not the right coach. We have enough talent to beat anyone not named UGA, UF, OU, or Bama next year.

We have talent but not as much as your sheet of paper with 247 or Rival rankings leads you to believe. If JG is a 4* DT QB, I am Superman. I read his HS recruiting profile and it mentioned how adept he was at reading defenses, and progressing through his reads. I was like WTF?! What happened.

 

[jakez4ut]

I actually thought Beasley would be a S candidate, but he's apparently stout so they seem to like moving him to ILB where he has a speed advantage.

Fields I don't see as a Safety, could be wrong. Thought he'd be a CB candidate for sure.

I'm guessing Means stays at WR and likely doesn't emerge since we still have insane depth there. Solomon has speed, but is still fairly unpolished as a DB so I don't think he makes the field.

Top 3 I think we'll start seeing on the regular.
Roman, Crouch, & Beasley

Jaylen would be the next man up I think...Theo Jackson has played well at safety though I thought. Just wonder if they would want to sit Warrior when he's so involved with pre-snap alignment.

the story on Beasley coming out was how much flexibility he provides. he was a jack of all trades in HS, and the debate around here was does he wind up at Safety or LB? he has the frame to add some weight and be a LB, and it sounds like, at least for now, that's where's going to wind up. which is fine with me.....he's gonna have to develop no matter what, but he was an high upside kid from the jump. just a good all around football player that should get better as time goes on once he's plugged in at a position and can develop there. hope he sticks at LB.

Fields probably is more of a corner, but again, he's played safety and nickel, so he gives you some flexibility. McCollough is a safety/Star, and i am of the mindset that he probably needs to get on the field. put him and Theo back there and see what they can do? can't be much worse than what we've seen so far? either way, i think they need to work a couple of these guys in more....

having BT back helps, because i think they probably go back to more man concepts at CB, which puts AT back in a comfort zone, and should help him and BT both out..i dno't see the reason to make wholesale changes at CB.

 

[TechnoVol]

That’s Warrior...unless BM got a helluva suntan!

It's Maurer and it's the team coming out to start the game... not the second half.

 

[ionaVOL]

Play all the freshman, I don't care. It's their team, let them have it and let them grow together and maybe in 3 years we won't completely suck anymore

 

[JAllen18]

The Freshman are already the best players on the team. Let em loose.

 

[thunderduck17]

By the way, can we talk about the terrible game Jim Chaney had on Saturday? We were running at a steady clip and he got way too pass heavy with JG. When you get on the goal line you don’t put the ball in the hands of the QB who is struggling. RUN THE DAMN BALL.

Then when Maurer comes in we don’t give him the opportunity to get comfortable with some RPOs or handoffs. We sling it around for some reason.

Maurer had a few RPO's on his first drive. He just pulled them each time and threw it.

 

[RyanWalkerPGH]

bronco went 2-10 in year one. our guy went 5-7 and beat two top 20 programs in year one. circles? thru 4 games in year two, at best it's parallel lines....maybe we get to year 4 and then compare?

in year one, Bronco lost to Richmond, Uconn, and every ACC team not named Duke. the other win...Central Michigan. yeah, that'd go over well here. lol. Bronco would have never made it to a 4-0 start in year 4 if up to some of the folks here....but now he's "great"..........

double standard doesn't even begin to cover it.

Virginia isn't Tennessee. And Bronco won 10+ games 5 times in 10 seasons at BYU. That's the difference.

 

[jakez4ut]

Maurer had a few RPO's on his first drive. He just pulled them each time and threw it.

kv's post on this is about a week late and just an attempt to redicrect the conversation back to how bad the coaches suck and htat we should fire....somebody.

don't give in....

 

[Vols4us]

So many posters facing reality with what ifs. Sickening that we are reduced to this.