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Weezer said:
Let's be realistic. That first class they got a late start and never had a shot at a top QB. Last class, we were dealing with Helton leaving and an OC search, which doesn't necessarily draw QB recruits. None of the higher rated grad transfer QBs considered us because they thought it a lock JG would be starter. In fact, most of the top transfer QBs looked for a spot they were pretty much guaranteed to starting role. You can see that as an excuse, or you can accept that was the reality, but looking at class number 3, we have Bailey.

The only way to make a player better is if they're coachable. I'm beginning to wonder if JG is. He keeps making the same mistakes, and it's very hard for me to believe that someone like Chaney who has had a successful career wouldn't try to fix that.
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All I hear are excuses. Dan Mullen took a backup QB he didn’t recruit, who didn’t start for his high school team and had other offers from Houston Baptist and Lamar and beat us into a pulp last Saturday.

Good coaching makes a difference.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
All I hear are excuses. Dan Mullen took a backup QB he didn’t recruit, who didn’t start for his high school team and had other offers from Houston Baptist and Lamar and beat us into a pulp last Saturday.

Good coaching makes a difference.
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Dan Mullen walked into a much, much better situation than Pruitt, and if you can't see that, you're being purposely obtuse.
 
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Y’all are really nit picking in here today. The truth is Pruitt is our coach until he’s not, it doesn’t matter how bad the year has been so far because it’s not over. Until the mishaps of a new coach using ga state as a scrimmage, and our veteran qb choke away BYU, we all liked the prospect of our coach and staff. He doesn’t have the depth and we have a qb committed that looks like a stud. Nobody saw Jg taking mental steps back this year, and we have two other guys he’s recruited that just aren’t all the way ready, it’s completely logical and not to mention he brought in a transfer in hill, lol! Y’all are just mad and looking for anything and everything to blame it on which is fine, I’m wondering the same things you are but quitting on this coach and team before the year is over is hypocritical. We have football left to play, give our coaches and players a chance. We need to have the fans behind another solid recruiting class.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
It does not take a magic wand to beat Georgia State and BYU. It just doesn’t.

This roster is really bad. It isn’t that bad. You insert another coaching staff in here and they get those two games figured out.

Hell, I think our coaching staff is fantastic. The head coach must be making the wrong decisions and limiting how well our assistants can do their jobs. It’s the only thing that makes sense.
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You keep acting like I'm defending something or saying that it's acceptable to lose those games. Why? I have reiterated many times that we should be sitting at 3-1 or 4-0 this year. The reason we're at 1-3 instead of 3-1 is on both coaches and players. But saying that we should have hired a different HC two years ago or lamenting that the past two HCs should have recruited better players over the past four years doesn't forge a path out of this mess. Either we get better with what we have or we sink lower and have an historically bad year.

So everybody in that locker room, on that sideline and in that tower better focus on helping the HC figure out how to get some wins this year. Worrying about next year is premature. We've got immediate problems to address.
 
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HankHill said:
No he didn’t but Chaney, like every coordinator, has core philosophies and route concepts. You can tweak but you can’t change.

It’s why i didn’t want Chaney and why i said we wouldn’t make a bowl game if we hire him. Not that he’s bad or anything but what our players strengths and what they showed they could do last year under Helton is the exact opposite of what Chaney likes to run
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My only beef at this point with him is not working the problem from the back. Starting RB is getting 5.5 a carry.
He cant help the QB personnel. It's just not good.
 
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Weezer said:
Dan Mullen walked into a much, much better situation than Pruitt, and if you can't see that, you're being purposely obtuse.
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Based on what? 2017 Florida was 4-7, 2017 Vols were 4-8. Recruiting at Florida under McElwain was an average class rating of 14.7, Recruiting at Tennessee under Butch was an average class rating of 11.7 during the same period.
 
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BeecherVol said:
My only beef at this point with him is not working the problem from the back. Starting RB is getting 5.5 a carry.
He cant help the QB personnel. It's just not good.
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OC is trying to open up the field so we can run. He's calling plays and receivers are getting open. The problem is the QB can't/won't see the field enough to make the correct throws
 
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Aesius said:
I don't think it's slide of hand. It's more about JG being a pre-madonna and having a lack of pocket presents.
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But doesn’t this fall squarely on the coaches. Also didn’t we recruit 18. The coaches didn’t find out this yr that JG is limited. They’ve known this since last yr. Man I miss Helton. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Sure he did. He’s also 100x better as a head coach that Pruitt and takes players he didn’t recruit and makes them better.
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And UT had the chance to hire him and failed. Yet somehow, this time around, you think we'll do better. We've failed three times and it looks like we've failed a fourth. You have more faith in this program getting it right than I do. I think it safer to give Pruitt one more year than to put it in the hands of an incompetent system once again. Losing looks bad, but failing in another hire, especially after the debacle of the last search, that looks much worse IMO. Again, IMO. I want to win. I want to stop being a national embarrassment. I just don't think firing Pruitt in year 2 does anything to help that image.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Based on what? 2017 Florida was 4-7, 2017 Vols were 4-8. Recruiting at Florida under McElwain was an average class rating of 14.7, Recruiting at Tennessee under Butch was an average class rating of 11.7 during the same period.
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Florida still had a winning mentality. Tennessee's previous HC checked out in 2016 and didn't give a flying rats you know what in 2017 and that mentality crept into the players. Those same players are still on this team with the same mentality because the current HC can't flip the roster until next year.
 
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LA Vol said:
You keep acting like I'm defending something or saying that it's acceptable to lose those games. Why? I have reiterated many times that we should be sitting at 3-1 or 4-0 this year. The reason we're at 1-3 instead of 3-1 is on both coaches and players. But saying that we should have hired a different HC two years ago or lamenting that the past two HCs should have recruited better players over the past four years doesn't forge a path out of this mess. Either we get better with what we have or we sink lower and have an historically bad year.

So everybody in that locker room, on that sideline and in that tower better focus on helping the HC figure out how to get some wins this year. Worrying about next year is premature. We've got immediate problems to address.
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I’m with you on all of it. I understand your position and I know everyone is unhappy.

The difference between you and I, I suppose, is that you think this thing is fixable. Your mantra has been to fix the immediate issues. And that’s a good thing to do! But you said it before BYU and before Florida. It’s too late in the season to make any wholesale changes and losing begets more losing.

This thing isn’t going to get fixed, man. Especially not this year. Doesn’t mean you have to be doom and gloom like me - I understand how much that sucks. But I have no interest in talking about things that aren’t going to happen. This thing is going to get worse before it gets better.
 
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Rishvol said:
Florida still had a winning mentality. Tennessee's previous HC checked out in 2016 and didn't give a flying rats you know what in 2017 and that mentality crept into the players. Those same players are still on this team with the same mentality because the current HC can't flip the roster until next year.
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I love you. This.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Based on what? 2017 Florida was 4-7, 2017 Vols were 4-8. Recruiting at Florida under McElwain was an average class rating of 14.7, Recruiting at Tennessee under Butch was an average class rating of 11.7 during the same period.
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And in the two years prior to 2017, UF won the East. As for recruiting records, go back and see how many recruits panned out for those classes. Rankings mean very little in hindsight when you can look back and see which players actually succeeded.
 
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Rishvol said:
Florida still had a winning mentality. Tennessee's previous HC checked out in 2016 and didn't give a flying rats you know what in 2017 and that mentality crept into the players. Those same players are still on this team with the same mentality because the current HC can't flip the roster until next year.
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Mentality can't be quantified so I guess that's an easy out. Mullen could just be a damn good HC and out performing someone who has never done the job before, but nah let's dismiss that point. The one with historical statistical data to support it...

Dan Mullen is a lot of things, but a bad HC isn't one of them. Pruitt is at this point not even average as a HC, unfortunately. Being aware of this and even pointing it out isn't just being pessimistic. Until he starts winning he's not proven anything as a Head Coach.
 
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justwatch123 said:
But doesn’t this fall squarely on the coaches. Also didn’t we recruit 18. The coaches didn’t find out this yr that JG is limited. They’ve known this since last yr. Man I miss Helton. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️
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How could they have really known anything about JG last year? He played behind an atrocious line that offered little to no protection. It disguised his shortcomings.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Michigan would be the only spot I could see pulling him honestly. I doubt he goes to FSU, it's not a great job and it's in conference. USC he has no ties there, so I'm not sure why he'd take it...and they haven't really paid the big bucks to pull anyone.
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He is anyone now lol. Making uva relevant is quite an accomplishment. And he was pretty much exclusively a west coast guy until uva, so I think usc makes much more sense than Michigan.
 
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HankHill said:
No he didn’t but Chaney, like every coordinator, has core philosophies and route concepts. You can tweak but you can’t change.

It’s why i didn’t want Chaney and why i said we wouldn’t make a bowl game if we hire him. Not that he’s bad or anything but what our players strengths and what they showed they could do last year under Helton is the exact opposite of what Chaney likes to run
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I see guys running wide open down the field but the QB can’t get them the ball.
 
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