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smokeyz1 said:
I believe one of the only ways to get an "initial counter" back is if a player has to quit football due to medical reasons without ever playing in a game. McBride met these requirements.
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It's stricter than playing in a game. It is doing any team athletic activities.

Basically for a kid that signs in Dec/Feb and finds out of a career ending illness or has an injury before ever entering the program. For Mcbride there was a small window between coming in and retiring iirc. Probably a close call either way.
 
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JohnnyD1024 said:
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And I’m sure Fulmer has said the same thing. Privately. To CJP face-to-face.

I guess I don’t have a problem with him saying this publicly, but some things need to be kept private. This is just to appease the fans. When these guys start doing things just to appease the fans they’re headed for even bigger problems.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
Think I missed the good parts because I didn't know he was on until I saw twitter lighting up because of things he was saying. Right now he's talking about the Vols history and kids just not understanding it.
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Soo whats on twotter then?
 
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Devo182 said:
Blueshirts sign after the Fall semester begins. The initial counter may be pushed forward, but the signing counts that year. It used to save you in a sense because the signing limit was based off who signed during a certain period. Now it is anyone that signs at any time, thus hardcapping any and all signees to 25 a year.

But because of how blueshirting staggers signing year and IC year (for instance Solomon is a 2019 signee, but will be a 2020 IC), it is currently still possible to rollover blueshirting as many as you did prior to the new rule, up to, not over, the 25 limit. Which is why we blueshirted some in 18, were going to bs 2 last year, and may bs 1 this year I believe.
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Got it. So we could sign 24 then and blue shirt a few to 2021? Because I bet they want to get as many bodies as they can. Those that are under the radar, but could be good players down the road. Like someone posted above, I bet we have a lot of future walk ons that become scholarship players from other schools.
 
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JacketVol said:
I said when we hired him if he wasn’t the right person for the job, it may never really get fixed in my lifetime and I’m in my 50’s. This year would’ve been fine with average QB play. Dooley and Butch recruited good wide receivers but lacked at LOS and QB. This is the result but should’ve never lost to GSU. Our best chance to get competitive sooner than later is with Pruitt. Otherwise, program will be dead till the right guy is found and if that happens, still a four to five year thing. I don’t think they can find nor get that kind of guy right now for next year. Pruitt is safe and will be given the chance to prove he can do it. We need him to do it. If he stops working hard and recruiting his tail off then he gets let go. As long as he keeps working like heck and recruits top 20 then he keeps his job. Unless he kills someone AND gets caught.
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I’m sorry, but this is just the sunk cost fallacy. We’ve invested so much, and we need it to happen so badly, that we keep throwing ourselves into an incompetent process.

If we lose more than 8 games, this coaching staff should be fired. It is a totally unacceptable, incompetent, irrational result given our talent and schedule.

Doesn’t mean they won’t get another year. But it’ll be totally unearned/unwarranted. It would be an act of hope. Good organizations don’t run on hope.
 
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OrangenSC said:
And I’m sure Fulmer has said the same thing. Privately. To CJP face-to-face.

I guess I don’t have a problem with him saying this publicly, but some things need to be kept private. This is just to appease the fans. When these guys start doing things just to appease the fans they’re headed for even bigger problems.
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Exactly. Who cares? It would be more problematic for me if Fulmer thought anyone needed to hear this. NO ONE at UT needs to know this...we know it! We all know everyone has infinitely higher standards than effing Ga St, Fulmer and Pruitt first and foremost. Pruitt isn't Butch. He understands UT, its legacy, and its fans. He knows we will laugh at anyone boasting about making basic bowl games against scrub opponents. He gets us, at the very least.
 
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smokeyz1 said:
I posted these exact same scholarship numbers last night. Said we have to lose 8 non-senior scholarship players by next Fall to bring in a full 2020 class of 25.
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Yeah, I think we'll see some git shirts soon.

I don't like the idea of predicting who leaves... but I will anyway.

First level is the RS-Juniors, these guys will be eligible to grad transfer if they so desire.
Jarrett Guarantano - I expect he or coaching staff will decide this is the last year at UT
Jahmir Johnson - Does he really want to use his last season as a backup?
Marcus Tatum - see above
Jordan Allen - has entered the portal already, likely stayed to deal with the hip flexor surgery/recovery
Ja'Quain Blakely - Butch guy

Next level the true Juniors
Josh Palmer - NFL?
Ty Chandler - NFL?
Riley Locklear - non local, may want to transfer RS and then get one season as a starter...or transfer down and start somewhere next year
Trey Smith - NFL

Could also be some names I don't see coming...who knows. I'm not a fan of losing any LOS bodies, but after Drew Richmond bailed wouldn't surprise me to see it.
 
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smokeyz1 said:
One of the few positives from the FLA game was that the DL played well against the run. Just need a few of them to develop a better pass rush.
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I want to say that too as a compliment, but somehow stopping that terrible run game doesn't feel like a genuine compliment. Sadder that we couldn't even slow down a 1 dimensional offense with a backup qb when our secondary was supposed to be a strength.
 
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Smyrna ATL Vol said:
Got it. So we could sign 24 then and blue shirt a few to 2021? Because I bet they want to get as many bodies as they can. Those that are under the radar, but could be good players down the road. Like someone posted above, I bet we have a lot of future walk ons that become scholarship players from other schools.
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Can only blueshirt 1. 25 is the limit no matter what.

Unless you're talking about taking guys that are walkons at other schools. That pretty rare, unless you can find that 1 in a million Baker Mayfield.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I’m sorry, but this is just the sunk cost fallacy. We’ve invested so much, and we need it to happen so badly, that we keep throwing ourselves into an incompetent process.

If we lose more than 8 games, this coaching staff should be fired. It is a totally unacceptable, incompetent, irrational result given our talent and schedule.

Doesn’t mean they won’t get another year. But it’ll be totally unearned/unwarranted. It would be an act of hope.
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This staff is paid way to much money for the results we are seeing in year two. They are one the highest paid staffs in America. We have to stop giving coaches more time when it is obvious it is not working. I am willing to give Pruitt until the end of the year to judge him. If he finds a way to 5-6 wins, I won’t be so down on him and I will blame it on him learning and playing the wrong players. But if we shuffle our players and still look terrible and only win two games, I am not sure I can back him at all.
 
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Devo182 said:
I want to say that too as a compliment, but somehow stopping that terrible run game doesn't feel like a genuine compliment. Sadder that we couldn't even slow down a 1 dimensional offense with a backup qb when our secondary was supposed to be a strength.
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Yeah, unfortunately I don't know if we "stopped the run" or if Florida is just that bad. We gave up more rushing yards that most people they've played, KY only gave up 138 and 76 came on that late game jet sweep that went for 6.

Against Miami - 58 rushing yards
Against UT Martin - 231
Against KY - 138 (76 on one play)
Against UT - 128 (YPC was 2nd lowest for them as a team all season though). The bigger worry in that game for me defensively was 70.6% completion and 313 yards, even with a couple picks we didn't really seem to stop them in the passing game.
 
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Smyrna ATL Vol said:
This staff is paid way to much money for the results we are seeing in year two. They are one the highest paid staffs in America. We have to stop giving coaches more time when it is obvious it is not working. I am willing to give Pruitt until the end of the year to judge him. If he finds a way to 5-6 wins, I won’t be so down on him and I will blame it on him learning and playing the wrong players. But if we shuffle our players and still look terrible and only win two games, I am not sure I can back him at all.
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I agree, he has to win 5-6 this year. I'm barely hanging on as it is and if we finish the year with 1-2 wins, he isn't the guy and the lame duck year 3 begins.
 
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Smyrna ATL Vol said:
This staff is paid way to much money for the results we are seeing in year two. They are one the highest paid staffs in America. We have to stop giving coaches more time when it is obvious it is not working. I am willing to give Pruitt until the end of the year to judge him. If he finds a way to 5-6 wins, I won’t be so down on him and I will blame it on him learning and playing the wrong players. But if we shuffle our players and still look terrible and only win two games, I am not sure I can back him at all.
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Yeah...I think he's gotta win at least 4 if not more games to survive that Georgia State first home opener lost in 3 decades. Winnable games left on the table...and we played a strong first half against the Gators. I don't think this team has quit like the teams did on Dooley & Butch. I think this team is just lost/young, so these 2 weeks are very important.

But 4 of the next 5 are home games...sadly 2 of the next 5 are also top 5 teams.

Still 2 or 3 wins in this 5 game stretch and there's a lot to build on and Pruitt likely eases the mob and gets to coach here in year 3.
 
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