Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[rjd970]

The more I think about it, the more I'm on the train that Chaney is going to do great things here, he is just handicapped by his QB play. It is what it is until JG moves on or gets beat by one of the backups.

 

[mrmax86]

To me the QB situation this weekend is this. Pruitt said JG hit his hand. Boom built in excuse to limit JG and use this game to find the back up. If the back up lights the Mocs up then maybe lean on the "he hit his hand" excuse going into Florida if they think the back up will be a better option

Yes, this!

 

[cnick14]

Torn here as well. A bigger RB who can lean on defenses late in games would round out our rushing offense a lot and make an offense centered around the running game more feasible for us as the year goes on.

I know he has had injury problems in the past but he just has a Myles Jack esque feel to me. And I know it’s been stated he’s against playing RB but I feel like you do whatever you can to help your team.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

The way I look at it is,it’s been 3 years of S**t QB play.only to be “wowed” by his QBR rating which is always consistent no matter how bad he is.i mean in 3 years of football he’s thrown 20 touchdowns and 7 interceptions that’s enough for me.

Did you read my post? The point I was making is that knowing JG is bad doesn’t necessarily lead to “Maurer is the guy.” Shrout might be a better option. They may both be worse options. We just don’t know yet.

But it seems like you think it’s Maurer or bust at this point maybe he’s got the potential, but things could get ugly with him as well.

You keep bringing up Dobbs being buried on the depth chart based off of practice, but Dobbs was definitely not ready as a freshman and played so poorly at times that some thought he’d never be worth a damn.

 

[RikidyBones]

Call me for next weeks picks.

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call me to know what picks to fade

 

[InVOLuntary]

Call me for next weeks picks.

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That's like a B- average. Also, not seeing much competition there.

 

[UTSuave’]

Doesn't bother me at all to admit that but once again, we can't use believing as a fact.
Remember, they've had several scrimmages that we haven't seen. If the answer is sitting right there, no way I'm believing that the staff just refuses to take it and win, just because.
I think the backups will be ready, but were they 2 weeks ago? Last week?
And they may be next week, but doesn't mean they already were.

You just can’t convince me they are worse than what we are sending out on the field Right now is my point.Just no way.it doesn’t get any worse than wide open players and free points.hell the energy they would bring would get me excited.i get tired of seeing a mopping straight face Jarrett guarantano.zero energy to keep his team in the game.wether it’s a missed read on his part or a interception,I just don’t think he cares as much as the other two QB’s would.two different cultures.

 

[jakez4ut]

crouch came to TN to be a linebacker and get coached by this staff. wear and tear on his body was a concern of his as a RB. i think if it's up to him, he'd prefer to stay on defense. i think if it's up to the coaches, they'd like him to become a bad azz LB.

i get why everyone is clamouring for him to be a special package big back, but if you're going to bring someone back off the defense to do that, i'd say just create a few packages for Banks.

but even if you do that, it then becomes pretty predictable from a personnel standpoint what's about to happen.

the run game isn't bad....i do think there's probably some stuff they could do with Chandler and Gray on the field at the same time, lined up in the backfield to at least give the defense something else to look at in short yardarge situations.

either way....this isn't THE issue...just one of many....and it's pretty far down the list for me. DL is still #1. QB is now #2. LB and CB depth is #3.

 

[SLICKYINC]

I don’t hate Pruitt at all but it’s clear he will ride for JG even if it means having a good game plan installed to win and you leave 3 Td’s off the board because of the lack of vision and awareness this is year 3 for JG no excuses.Saban and Kirby would have already benched him.i understand they have better options behind their starter but I’m just saying over all.

The issue is this. We all see what the problem is, everyone. The coaches know it, Fulmer knows it. But with that said, It's obviously a situation were JG gives us the best chance to win. People don't want to hear that and I understand it because I think to myself, ANYONE is better than this. But the reality is we don't see practices and we don't know what either guy is capable of. I just have to grit my teeth and bare it because we have so many good football coaches that get paid big time money to figure this out.

If the consensus is that the other 2 aren't ready, then they aren't.

 

[Rishvol]

That's like a B- average. Also, not seeing much competition there.

I'm up there... Ok point taken

 

[jakez4ut]

The issue is this. We all see what the problem is, everyone. The coaches know it, Fulmer knows it. But with that said, It's obviously a situation were JG gives us the best chance to win. People don't want to hear that and I understand it because I think to myself, ANYONE is better than this. But the reality is we don't see practices and we don't know what either guy is capable of. I just have to grit my teeth and bare it because we have so many good football coaches that get paid big time money to figure this out.

If the consensus is that the other 2 aren't ready, then they aren't.

yep.

 

[cnick14]

crouch came to TN to be a linebacker and get coached by this staff. wear and tear on his body was a concern of his as a RB. i think if it's up to him, he'd prefer to stay on defense. i think if it's up to the coaches, they'd like him to become a bad azz LB.

i get why everyone is clamouring for him to be a special package big back, but if you're going to bring someone back off the defense to do that, i'd say just create a few packages for Banks.

but even if you do that, it then becomes pretty predictable from a personnel standpoint what's about to happen.

the run game isn't bad....i do think there's probably some stuff they could do with Chandler and Gray on the field at the same time, lined up in the backfield to at least give the defense something else to look at in short yardarge situations.

either way....this isn't THE issue...just one of many....and it's pretty far down the list for me. DL is still #1. QB is now #2. LB and CB depth is #3.

I agree it’s not even remotely near the top of our issues. I’m just selfish and would like to see what he can do in the backfield. But if he becomes the next great LB here I am all for that.

 

[UTSuave’]

That’s based on what? Where have we seen him switch a QB quickly? Wasn’t he the guy who rode with Matt Sims over Bray until Suns got hurt? UGA didn’t play Fromm until Eason got hurt.

The only time I can remember him yanking a QB for poor play while at UT was Bray against Vandy in 2012, and Bray started the next game when Chaney was interim HC.

Georgia?..lol he stuck with Fromm even after Eason was ok to play that’s considered a switch.Fromm wasn’t named the starter prior to the start of the season.

 

[volinbama256]

crouch came to TN to be a linebacker and get coached by this staff. wear and tear on his body was a concern of his as a RB. i think if it's up to him, he'd prefer to stay on defense. i think if it's up to the coaches, they'd like him to become a bad azz LB.

i get why everyone is clamouring for him to be a special package big back, but if you're going to bring someone back off the defense to do that, i'd say just create a few packages for Banks.

but even if you do that, it then becomes pretty predictable from a personnel standpoint what's about to happen.

the run game isn't bad....i do think there's probably some stuff they could do with Chandler and Gray on the field at the same time, lined up in the backfield to at least give the defense something else to look at in short yardarge situations.

either way....this isn't THE issue...just one of many....and it's pretty far down the list for me. DL is still #1. QB is now #2. LB and CB depth is #3.

I agree, but until we can convert a 3rd and 2 or a 4th and 1 with no issues from our current RB's (which is not the case), then it should still be an option. No big deal or a guy on D to come in for a few plays of O each game... doesn't matter if predictable if you have a 240+ RB coming at you.

 

[InVOLuntary]

To me the QB situation this weekend is this. Pruitt said JG hit his hand. Boom built in excuse to limit JG and use this game to find the back up. If the back up lights the Mocs up then maybe lean on the "he hit his hand" excuse going into Florida if they think the back up will be a better option

 

[rocktopper16]

It's a simple answer. Shrout also has a gun, but he's also not mobile. We don't know if he processes what he sees faster than JG or locks on like JG or if he can pre-snap read the D better than JG. Maybe he does, but we know Mauer has attributes that buy time and create offense to reduce dependence on the QB's competence relating to the above. We know he has the attitude of a winner and a quality arm.

I just doubt that Pruitt wants a simple answer. I have seen nothing in over a year and a half to tell me he gets it as a HC. So far he's demonstrated that he would rather lose consistently with the stupid answer. As a HC you know that a quality offense is your best defense while you rebuild your roster. If he knows that he does not demonstrate it. Hope he figures out he would be better off in the long run being successful by winning a lot of games instead of taking the buyout like Dools and the intern.

Shrouts mobile.. Just saying.

 

[UTSuave’]

Major disclaimer
I copied this from another poster and then you would have trust that McElroy knows what he's talking about.

"McElroy said this morning that Maurer isn’t ready. He said BM can’t identify the Mike LB on D."

But does anyone know if he really even said that? Didn't see/hear it myself.

Considering he has no clue where the line of scrimmage was in the NFL and still thinks he can pass the ball forward even after running past the line of scrimmage ..I’ll take it as hear say

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

The issue is this. We all see what the problem is, everyone. The coaches know it, Fulmer knows it. But with that said, It's obviously a situation were JG gives us the best chance to win. People don't want to hear that and I understand it because I think to myself, ANYONE is better than this. But the reality is we don't see practices and we don't know what either guy is capable of. I just have to grit my teeth and bare it because we have so many good football coaches that get paid big time money to figure this out.

If the consensus is that the other 2 aren't ready, then they aren't.

And just because they aren’t ready now doesn’t mean one won’t surge at some point in the season and give the coaches more reason to seriously consider a change.


And let’s be honest here: Why would we expect Pruitt to say anything else this week? Pruitt and the staff may very well be looking at making a change behind the scenes, but no way he’d come out and say that. Our first depth chart had like 18 “ors” on it. Pruitt’s not a guy who likes to tip his hand.

For all we know, they’re already working on a plan/timeline for JG to get his s*** straight or get yanked.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Georgia?..lol he stuck with Fromm even after Eason was ok to play that’s considered a switch.Fromm wasn’t named the starter prior to the start of the season.

They made the switch because of injury, not because Eason struggled. Completely different situation.

Chaney doesn’t have a history of yanking QBs quickly.

 

[UTSuave’]

To me the QB situation this weekend is this. Pruitt said JG hit his hand. Boom built in excuse to limit JG and use this game to find the back up. If the back up lights the Mocs up then maybe lean on the "he hit his hand" excuse going into Florida if they think the back up will be a better option

...... post more often. have a like.

 

[chargervol]

The issue is this. We all see what the problem is, everyone. The coaches know it, Fulmer knows it. But with that said, It's obviously a situation were JG gives us the best chance to win. People don't want to hear that and I understand it because I think to myself, ANYONE is better than this. But the reality is we don't see practices and we don't know what either guy is capable of. I just have to grit my teeth and bare it because we have so many good football coaches that get paid big time money to figure this out.

If the consensus is that the other 2 aren't ready, then they aren't.

This is where I'm at as well. I think Darth nailed it with "doesn't mean they won't be"
Heck, a little live action this weekend may be the catalyst. But if 30 (random #) run plays in a row didn't have Pruitt telling JG just to sit a few plays and get his head together/tend to his thumb, there has to be a reason.

At least right now.

 

[UTSuave’]

They made the switch because of injury, not because Eason struggled. Completely different situation.

Chaney doesn’t have a history of yanking QBs quickly.

Eason was never given a chance to struggle but he still made the switch even after coming back healthy.Fromm came into the year as a back up.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Eason was never given a chance to struggle but he still made the switch even after coming back healthy.Fromm came into the year as a back up.

Completely different situation. Hurt his knee game 1, by the time he came back it was clear Fromm was the dude.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

To be fair, Dobbs' 5 games as a freshman weren't Ga State, BYU or UTC type opponents either.

L - @ Alabama (4th ranked scoring defense in NCAA) 5 of 12 for 75 yards 0 TDs 0 INTs and 19 rushing yards
L - @ Missouri (34th ranked scoring defense in NCAA) 26 of 42 for 240 yards 0 TDs 2 INTs and 45 rushing yards
L - Auburn (48th ranked scoring defense in NCAA) 16 of 25 for 128 yards 0 TDs 1 INT and 50 rushing yards
L - Vanderbilt (46th ranked scoring defense in NCAA) 11 of 19 for 53 yards 0 TDs 2 INTs and 23 rushing yards
W - @ Kentucky (90th ranked scoring defense in NCAA) 14 of 23 199 yards 2 TDs 1 INT and 52 rushing yards 1 rushing TD

Playing 4 straight top 50 scoring defenses as a freshman with the two opening games on the road and also playing the 3 top teams in the SEC in that 5 game stretch I would say impacted Dobbs' numbers a bit. If anything I'd say Dobbs is a prime example of why we need to find series for the younger QBs. Dobbs didn't see the field against Austin Peay (45-0), Western Kentucky (52-20), South Alabama (31-24)...granted I don't believe the 4 games before a burnt RS existed, I just don't know why the staff was willing to put Peterman (also a freshman in 2013) out there but not Dobbs. We've got some 20/20 now looking back, I think at least in the first game I'd cleared the bench.

And now with getting the 4 games before a RS I see no reason that CJP/Chaney wouldn't give JT (especially having already burnt his RS) and Maurer both significant snaps against UTC. Honestly if we go up 2 TDs I'd start working them into the game.

 

[Glitch]

We’re going to pound Chatt, Kentucky, and Vandy and get over the Muschamp curse. Mississippi State has a Pruitt masterpiece written all over it. Unfortunately that’s just 5 wins.

UAB