It's the players. We don't have talent.

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Sure, the coaches could have done things a little different in preparation for the start of this season. But if you can't put 11 guys out there that can do their job consistently, you are witnessing what happens. We don't have 11 in there at one time that have the football IQ and the God given athleticism to hold it together. Maybe on any given play, 7 maybe 8 are doing the right thing. Sometimes they all are, but that's rare. That long play that set BYU up - a couple of guys just went brain dead. OK, you'll flame here and say "that's coaching". You have a point, but the bottom line, is - there is a point of diminishing returns on what this crop of players can achieve. Many of these guys that are screwing up are playing at their peak performance. Uncoachable. It is what it is.

Us Monday morning quarterbacks, me included, want to see new blood at QB. We think we are the only ones noticing that JG is slow getting the ball out, stares down his receivers, misses seeing wide open guys. On the other hand, look at the amount of years this staff has evaluating QB performance.. Pruitt, Chaney, Weinkie and Tee. They see these guys every day at practice. If they say the backups aren't ready for prime time, there must be something to it.

Now, how to really know... Get up by about 3 TD's on UTC and then put these guys in so us Monday morning QB's can see for ourselves. Prove us wrong.
 
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ptcarter said:
Sure, the coaches could have done things a little different in preparation for the start of this season. But if you can't put 11 guys out there that can do their job consistently, you are witnessing what happens. We don't have 11 in there at one time that have the football IQ and the God given athleticism to hold it together. Maybe on any given play, 7 maybe 8 are doing the right thing. Sometimes they all are, but that's rare. That long play that set BYU up - a couple of guys just went brain dead. OK, you'll flame here and say "that's coaching". You have a point, but the bottom line, is - there is a point of diminishing returns on what this crop of players can achieve. Many of these guys that are screwing up are playing at their peak performance. Uncoachable. It is what it is.

Us Monday morning quarterbacks, me included, want to see new blood at QB. We think we are the only ones noticing that JG is slow getting the ball out, stares down his receivers, misses seeing wide open guys. On the other hand, look at the amount of years this staff has evaluating QB performance.. Pruitt, Chaney, Weinkie and Tee. They see these guys every day at practice. If they say the backups aren't ready for prime time, there must be something to it.

Now, how to really know... Get up by about 3 TD's on UTC and then put these guys in so us Monday morning QB's can see for ourselves. Prove us wrong.
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The HC said it's on the coaches in his press conference.
 
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ptcarter said:
Sure, the coaches could have done things a little different in preparation for the start of this season. But if you can't put 11 guys out there that can do their job consistently, you are witnessing what happens. We don't have 11 in there at one time that have the football IQ and the God given athleticism to hold it together. Maybe on any given play, 7 maybe 8 are doing the right thing. Sometimes they all are, but that's rare. That long play that set BYU up - a couple of guys just went brain dead. OK, you'll flame here and say "that's coaching". You have a point, but the bottom line, is - there is a point of diminishing returns on what this crop of players can achieve. Many of these guys that are screwing up are playing at their peak performance. Uncoachable. It is what it is.

Us Monday morning quarterbacks, me included, want to see new blood at QB. We think we are the only ones noticing that JG is slow getting the ball out, stares down his receivers, misses seeing wide open guys. On the other hand, look at the amount of years this staff has evaluating QB performance.. Pruitt, Chaney, Weinkie and Tee. They see these guys every day at practice. If they say the backups aren't ready for prime time, there must be something to it.

Now, how to really know... Get up by about 3 TD's on UTC and then put these guys in so us Monday morning QB's can see for ourselves. Prove us wrong.
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We dont have the talent to beat GA St?
 
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No, it is the groundskeepers. They are not preparing the field properly. Fahr them all!!!!
 
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ptcarter said:
Prove it.
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Tennessee’s roster is rated higher than BYU’s or Georgia States

That would mean Tennessee has “more” talent.

I can’t help ignorance. But I’m confident your not......you probably know Tennessee has more but for the sake of the thread let’s just throw a “prove it” out there.
 
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hog88 said:
How in the hell is anyone supposed to prove anything like that? Best proof we have is recruiting rankings over the last 4 years and by those BYU shouldn't have been in the game.
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I think the score is what it is. We lost. They won. To say we have better players.. yeah, on paper, but not on the day we played them. Enough blame to go around for everyone, including coaches. In real estate, what is the value of a home? It's the price someone is willing to pay for it. Market determines the price.

I can't explain how Georgia State beat us. My gut feeling is they out hustled us and exploited known weaknesses seen from last years tapes. A lot of the hustle issues seem to be getting fixed, however there are still too many fundamental mistakes.

When you can bench a guy for performance and reload, like Bama, Georgia and all these other schools where people are saying "Yeah, true freshman aren't the problem", well - those schools are deep in talent. We just aren't. JG should have been benched after that interception, however there isn't anyone that can come in and do better at this stage. We are stuck with guys that are playing at their peak, and their peak isn't good. And it's not everyone. It only takes a couple of the 11 out there to bust a play.
 
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UT has better rated players at every position against BYU and Georgia St. It’s not the talent, the other teams played better and more disciplined
 
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ptcarter said:
Sure, the coaches could have done things a little different in preparation for the start of this season. But if you can't put 11 guys out there that can do their job consistently, you are witnessing what happens. We don't have 11 in there at one time that have the football IQ and the God given athleticism to hold it together. Maybe on any given play, 7 maybe 8 are doing the right thing. Sometimes they all are, but that's rare. That long play that set BYU up - a couple of guys just went brain dead. OK, you'll flame here and say "that's coaching". You have a point, but the bottom line, is - there is a point of diminishing returns on what this crop of players can achieve. Many of these guys that are screwing up are playing at their peak performance. Uncoachable. It is what it is.

Us Monday morning quarterbacks, me included, want to see new blood at QB. We think we are the only ones noticing that JG is slow getting the ball out, stares down his receivers, misses seeing wide open guys. On the other hand, look at the amount of years this staff has evaluating QB performance.. Pruitt, Chaney, Weinkie and Tee. They see these guys every day at practice. If they say the backups aren't ready for prime time, there must be something to it.

Now, how to really know... Get up by about 3 TD's on UTC and then put these guys in so us Monday morning QB's can see for ourselves. Prove us wrong.
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With all do respect to your post Chaney refuses to give a public evaluation of the qbs out of respect for Pruitt. Weinke gave one in a synopsis.

JTS- more in pocket and critical of himself and detail.
BM- free spirit. Has the “it” factor. More of an off schedule playmaker. Very mobile.

Point is I don’t think this is Chaney or Weinkes decision
 
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Blue-Chip Ratio 2019

This article states that the Vols have a top 20 roster in terms of the ratio of 4 and 5 stars recruited vs 2 and 3. They are somewhere in the 38-49%. I’m not sure if that includes Solomon or not. UF comes in at 53%, so potentially pretty close. I’m not sure where Ga State and BYU rank as they weren’t mentioned in the article as national title contenders.
 
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I'll go one step further.. Better QB play could have got us over the hump with both these teams. I agree 100% with that, but JG wasn't on the field with BYU with under a minute to play. Other breakdowns happened. Perfect storm hits us over and over on both sides of the ball.
 
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ptcarter said:
I think the score is what it is. We lost. They won. To say we have better players.. yeah, on paper, but not on the day we played them. Enough blame to go around for everyone, including coaches. In real estate, what is the value of a home? It's the price someone is willing to pay for it. Market determines the price.

I can't explain how Georgia State beat us. My gut feeling is they out hustled us and exploited known weaknesses seen from last years tapes. A lot of the hustle issues seem to be getting fixed, however there are still too many fundamental mistakes.

When you can bench a guy for performance and reload, like Bama, Georgia and all these other schools where people are saying "Yeah, true freshman aren't the problem", well - those schools are deep in talent. We just aren't. JG should have been benched after that interception, however there isn't anyone that can come in and do better at this stage. We are stuck with guys that are playing at their peak, and their peak isn't good.
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If there isn't anyone that can come in a do better than JG that is 100% on the coaches and their recruiting. There were a few grad transfers out there this winter and spring they could have tried to snag.

The defense is just atrocious with missed assignments, poor situational awareness and bad angles. That again is on the coaches, all of these guys were sought after by other schools and have been playing football for years, they just didn't all of a sudden forget the basics.
 
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ptcarter said:
I'll go one step further.. Better QB play could have got us over the hump with both these teams. I agree 100% with that, but JG wasn't on the field with BYU with under a minute to play. Other breakdowns happened. Perfect storm hits us over and over on both sides of the ball.
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We should have never been in the position where 1 defensive breakdown could cost us the game. Take the freeking points!
 
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hog88 said:
How in the hell is anyone supposed to prove anything like that? Best proof we have is recruiting rankings over the last 4 years and by those BYU shouldn't have been in the game.
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He knows that......it’s a simple fallacy. He also knows the team does have more talent than Georgia State.
 
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hog88 said:
We should have never been in the position where 1 defensive breakdown could cost us the game. Take the freeking points!
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That's a double edged sword. I'm still ticked at Butch for taking the points against Oklahoma with 4th down, ball on the 1 yardline. A touchdown there and there wouldn't have been overtime. It's always smart in hindsight to do the opposite when it doesn't work.
 
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Agree totally! The coaches seem to be playing too conservative while sitting on a whopping 3 point lead, worrying about managing the clock, field position, bla, bla, bla. How about putting some points on the friggin score board. Last series of game just so pathetic, trying to be so smart and use up every second of the clock, running super conservative plays and not really trying to get a first down, which would have sealed a victory, no we have to be cute and figure we will let them have the ball with a minute left and our defense can hold them and win the game for us with the same boring 3 points.

When that happened I knew we would lose this game, and damn if we didn't. Don't even get me started on our qb, just pathetic particularly when the game experience he has, the guy is not home upstairs, probably has been hit one time too many. Time to try some other guys they cannot be that bad and if they are then what in the world are we doing offering scholarships to people that will never play?
 
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