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On JG, without contributing to any of the camps advocating this or that, I’ll say that beyond recognizing what he should or shouldn’t he ain’t good at throwing to ball to whomever is supposed to be receiving it. BYU QB had some issues...lots actually...but getting the ball to the BYU playmakers wasn’t one of them. Other QB’s that we glimpse on highlights (that end up with wins) May misfire from time to time but they don’t make a cottage industry out of it. I’d like to see a good gripit&RipIt exhibition against UTC...whomever can handle that.
 
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utvols88 said:
We are in on different types of guys. It's obvious.

With Butch, his classes had potential but he made risks and they didnt pan out. But that's why hes not here. If they didn't pan out, he'd still be here. That's how that works.
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I *think* this is correct too. However, it won’t matter if they don’t succeed on the field. If they don’t win games this year, they won’t be able to recruit well enough to build depth. If they don’t build depth, we’ll be in this same position next year. Then we’ll hire a new coach with a new system and some of the current guys will look like busts - and Head Coach Bronco Mendenhall (shoutout @BruinVol) will be an evaluation expert and the last coach will have been an idiot.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Might they have been pretty hollow? Yeah that’s probably the case. But I know how this works. The current coach finds all the diamonds in the rough and knows how to “coach them up.” The last coach had none of those traits and all their signings were busts.

Either way, we’re not making up ground on the teams we need to beat to be competitive. We need elite classes. Not “pretty good” classes. That was the expectation when we hired Pruitt and it has not come to pass.
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LOL thinking recruiting even really matters right now. I see so many teams that kick tail and take names that aren't even on the first page of the recruiting rankings. DEVELOP PLAYERS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recruiting. I know its the recruiting forum and I enjoy following it and love getting the stars as much as anyone else but seriously, it is not the end all be all by any means.
 
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Orangeburst65 said:
I remember 1988 with 6 straight loses. They fought Bama pretty good in that sixth loss iirc. Went on to win 5 straight and 1989 propelled us to a decade of success.

A lot of inexperience and youth. Give it time. Who wants to volunteer to hang out on the billboard until we win?
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As I said yesterday, but people were too busy talking about Fahring Pruitt to discuss, we can still do that this year. The SEC east outside of GA and Fl are on the same level as us it looks like. We can still make noise in November. 6 games is not out of the question IF, and I know its a major if, they can get better QB play.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Recruiting is “pretty good.”

Dooley’s three classes: 7th, 14th, 19th // avg. 13.3
Butch’s 4 classes: 25th, 7th, 4th, 14th // avg. 12.5

You’d say all of those were “pretty good” but none of them bridged the talent gap between us and the top of the SEC.

Pruitt’s 3 classes: 21st, 13th, 22nd (right now - 3/4 wins will make sure it doesn’t improve) // avg. 18.6

So yes, it is “substandard” by comparing it to previous staffs’ recruiting output. And it is certainly substandard by SEC comparison.
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Dooley's 7th ranked class: Avg. Rating .8845
Butch's 4th ranked class: Avg. Rating .8948
Pruitt's 13th ranked class: Avg. Rating .9046

I mean, that tells me Pruitt's pulling better quality players and deeper talent. Dooley was always a top heavy recruiter, he'd have 3-5 amazing grabs and then finish a class with just bodies...his 7th ranked class for example, had 2 2 stars and 1 unranked (non specialist) player.
 
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Some of y'all claim Pruitt is developing the young guys well and should keep focusing on recruiting a better roster. Then some say he's not recruiting well with this class and there is no way they will have a high ranked class if they don't start winning. That it is all about having a better roster.

Then Pruitt goes out and plays the wrong players - some of them upper classmen who stunk up the field under Botch, plays guys in the wrong positions, cannot get seasoned players to even know where to line up on D (his specialty), and makes boneheaded in-game decisions. It has now happened 4 games in a row. We have an established pattern spread over parts of two seasons that includes an off season of development, spring practice, and fall camp with a proven, veteran coaching staff.

So what difference does it make with who he recruits or even player development? If he continues to do the above referenced they will still lose games they shouldn't. Get the big picture. The HC is effing this up. Trusting a HC to fix a program who is not doing the above referenced well will never win enough games for him to be successful at UT. If Phil continues to allow it to continue unabated, that means he has no authority or no desire to change it. So the guy to watch in the future is Phil Fulmer.
 
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For the record, I am not advocating for Pruitt to be fired. I don’t want it to happen.

But it is going to take something trajectory altering for this thing to work out. There is no evidence to support the conclusion that this coaching staff is going to survive.
 
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utvols88 said:
We are in on different types of guys. It's obvious.

With Butch, his classes had potential but he made risks and they didnt pan out. But that's why hes not here. If they did pan out, he'd still be here. That's how that works.
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Butch also recruited guys with heavy injury-laiden careers. Pruitt isn't.
 
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jave36 said:
There is a 0% chance of a top 10 recruiting class if we're losing to teams with far, far inferior talent like the last two. Anyone with a brain knows that Pruitt isn't in a secure position, even if every single one of the "Fire Pruitt" crowd got sucked into a black hole. Top recruits want to play for a coach who gets the most out of whatever talent he has. That's how coaches with bad records can still get top recruits, they can show that lack of talent is the only issue. We are a thousand times more talented than the two teams we just lost to, so Pruitt can't sell that message to top recruits.
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And Georgia, Alabama, Clemson etc. will all be ramming that down recruit's throats. Going winless in the conference and winning only a couple of non-conference games will spell disaster for the recruiting class.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
For the record, I am not advocating for Pruitt to be fired. I don’t want it to happen.

But it is going to take something trajectory altering for this thing to work out. There is no evidence to support the conclusion that this coaching staff is going to survive.
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You're already starting a coaching search list... So yes you are
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
As I said yesterday, but people were too busy talking about Fahring Pruitt to discuss, we can still do that this year. The SEC east outside of GA and Fl are on the same level as us it looks like. We can still make noise in November. 6 games is not out of the question IF, and I know its a major if, they can get better QB play.
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Florida just lost Toney and their best CB Henderson for awhile. They were already thin just about everywhere else too. We have a chance..
 
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I have legit made it to real apathy. I really don't care or have the effort to go through any of the explanations anymore.

Kiffin's midnight departure, Dooley in a wheelchair, finding new ways to lose, Butch's stupid sales pitches, taking buyouts so we pay CBJ to coach at Bama, champions of life, pictures of CBJ smoking cigars after beating his old team, awful local media, losing to GSU, blowing it against BYU, rival fan pity, Hamilton, Hart, Fulmer, bad calls, last minute busts, winless SEC seasons, losing streaks to Bama, Mizz, UGA, UF, and Vandy with no hope of them ending, losing season, no bowls...

I just don't care anymore. This is a never ending nightmare.
 
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butchna said:
On JG, without contributing to any of the camps advocating this or that, I’ll say that beyond recognizing what he should or shouldn’t he ain’t good at throwing to ball to whomever is supposed to be receiving it. BYU QB had some issues...lots actually...but getting the ball to the BYU playmakers wasn’t one of them. Other QB’s that we glimpse on highlights (that end up with wins) May misfire from time to time but they don’t make a cottage industry out of it. I’d like to see a good gripit&RipIt exhibition against UTC...whomever can handle that.
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Honest question, because I think you give good thought towards this stuff and have good reasons: who would you start? Would you go with the younger QB's to see how they do or go with JG and then sub in one of the other younger QB's if we pull away from UTC?
 
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SLICKYINC said:
Florida just lost Toney and their best CB Henderson for awhile. They were already thin just about everywhere else too. We have a chance..
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Our OL is playing good football, our defense is playing okay, much better Saturday than the week before, our skill players are as good as anyone not named GA and Bama on our schedule. With QB play we can still win some games. JG needs to figure this out man. Somehow, some way
 
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Orangeburst65 said:
I remember 1988 with 6 straight loses. They fought Bama pretty good in that sixth loss iirc. Went on to win 5 straight and 1989 propelled us to a decade of success.

A lot of inexperience and youth. Give it time. Who wants to volunteer to hang out on the billboard until we win?
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A ton depends on this. Keep this team together through the lumps - and hope they’re getting better in the process - and I’d guess we can beat an SEC team or two to close out the season.

If the team that played Georgia State shows back up then we’re in for a rough November. Really need them to stay together to go into 2020 with some continuity.
 
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zhangliao04 said:
Bailey is licking his chops right now.
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JG will be in the transfer portal before the end of the year. Playing time is available for every position except maybe a couple of LB spots. Everything else is wide open....that is crazy. Exciting but crazy.

Hopefully when BT comes back, WB can move to one of the safety spots.
 
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