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There is talent on the this squad. But where it’s lacking is OL & QB.
But there are lesser teams who get more out of the talent then we do AND that is COACHING. whether it’s teaching, information, alignment, tendencies or play calling. There is a huge disconnect in our football program

Agree with first statement. When I think about why we lost last night, I look at how our OL got 0 push in short yardage situations. I’m not sure that’s down to lack of talent. Seems more like motivation and “want to.” My biggest takeaway though is the QB. I haven’t been overly critical of JG since he’s been here, but I saw a coach who did not trust his QB late in the game, and I don’t blame him. Inaccurate, late, and predictable. I also personally think we have a pretty big problem at DB. We give up big plays like it’s nobodies business. Two weeks in a row now that we couldn’t cover or tackle in the back end when it really counted.
 
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Why because he was at the game? Because he posted a picture of a UT flag? Because Austin Prive wrote an article? I hope I'm wrong and he stays with us. But I'm not hanging my hopes on anything g I read over there.
It’s obvious you don’t keep up with recruiting and just spout off random emotional comments.
 
I don’t care how they look in practice. Let’s see how they look under the lights. Give them a chance. Dobbs was a terrible QB to everyone because of practice reports, but he literally saved our seasons for a couple of years.


YOU don’t care but the COACHES do care how they look in practice. I feel you tho brotha, it would be nice to see what shrout or Maurer can do in a game situation. We’ve got too good of a receiving corps to not have a QB who can see the field in a way where all his weapons have chances to be involved in every down.
 
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Last week I thought this way but now I’m thinking the only way out of this hole is to support Pruitt and give him the time for a true rebuild. He’s a far better coach than the last few guys and surrounded by great coaches and all the support staff he needs.

The truth is with a good QB we’re 2-0 right now despite all the other issues. The best players on the team are freshman and sophomores, they wouldn’t even be playing yet at Bama or UGA or Clemson. We’re forced to play them before they’re ready. It’ll be the same way with the 2020 and 2021 classes as well.

There’s no way around this rebuild. Firing Pruitt isn’t the answer. Not this week, in November or next November. He didn’t suddenly become a bad football coach after arriving in Knoxville. Neither did Chaney or any of the other guys.

Recruit, develop and time is the only answer right now. Blowing it up will only delay any progress and no matter who the next coach is the same cycle will occur.

Again, a good QB and we’re 2-0.

Or maybe I’m wrong and let’s just keep firing and hiring new coaches every 2-4 years until one is able to win despite lack of talent and development.

Like I said yesterday, there are no quick fixes at UT. Hitting the reset button every 2-3 years won’t work unless you luck into one of the few generational coaches out there. Not to mention, UT literally can’t afford to do that right now. Pruitt is here through at least next year, IMO, so fans need to do their best to try to be supportive. That does not mean we can’t be critical. That’s the nature of the beast.
 
So let's see a show of hands.... If we win 2-3 games this year, who's still on the Pruitt bus? Just chocking it up to bad players? How you gonna feel when we go 0'fer in conference? Because that's a definite possibility.

Firing Pruitt before years will be program suicide. UNLESS, you have a mou from a Stoops/urban Meyer type coach.
 
That’s why he’s getting paid $3.8 mil a year.
You left out the 6 year part. It’s a process. I’m not saying I’m all in until year 6 but I’m definitely not out after only 1 full recruiting cycle. Once the majority of the team is his players and if we are still seeing the same **** then yea, I’ll say he is the problem.
 
I'm literally convinced Nick Saban and Dabo wouldn't be able to make it here. Tennessee is a storied program with rich history, the best fans, and great facilities yet it's a terrible terrible job and everyone knows it. I sincerely don't believe we will ever win the SEC East in my lifetime.

The real freakout begins when Bailey decommits later this year.
You post the most defeatist, lay down and quit horses**t I've ever read on here. I bet you walk outside and complain that the sun is bright too. Boohoo, get a grip
 
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Asking for a friend. Typically after a loss how long does it take for the sewage in the FF to stop seeping into the RF?


Within the next few hours their arms will get tired from slinging their crap uphill towards us, so I’d say by 5pm we will be good. Although their are several single fellas in the RF so they’ve got a little more forearm power. those guys will be slinging till about 11pm. B
 
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JG is having a terrible yr no doubt. But the way we criticize him is over the top. We blame EVERYTHING on JG. We lost bc we couldn’t convert 4 and 1 on several occasions and the defense couldn’t stop BYU with 17 secs and NO timeouts from there own 20 yard line PERIOD. As bad as JG was we lost that came bc of 17 secs.
That is not the reason we lost. We lost because we could only muster 16 points with the best OL play in two years. JG had time to throw. We had some pretty good running lanes. We moved the ball. Terrible execution on their side of the field and a gift 7 points is why we lost. JG is pretty accurate but he does not deliver it on time.
 
Do you not understand me? The guys on the roster aren’t showing improvement. Guys are the same players they were the second they stepped on campus. Most making the same mistakes they have been making since day one.
I’m telling y’all, we have gotten to a place with our program where playing tough vs a bad BYU team is a positive.
The talent on their roster is NOWHERE NEAR ours. And they made adjustments all game to stop what we do. We actually wilted and gave away a late lead.
The coaching leaves a lot to be desired.
Great coaches have an immediate impact on style of play and playing tendencies immediately. Nick Saban walked in and had players playing better. Even if the record didn’t show right away. That’s what you want to see in coaches. Urban Meier, same. Even Mack Brown has UNC Playing smart and better football. Meanwhile we, play like ass vs Georgia state and BYU. Bad fundamentals, misalignments, penalties, undisciplined play, Garbage substitution patterns... etc
Years of suspect fundamentals have to be reversed, years of suspect strength and conditioning HAVE TO BE REVERSED some of that takes time. This program has had very bad moves regarding those recently, a ton of turnover and ONE ****ING CLASS of new players with a DIFFERENT MINDSET. Nick Saban had his boys lose to ULM late in the season. FOH with that noise.

Urban Meyer took over a team that had Larry Fedora and Charlie strong as coordinators with florida and Jim Tressel for Ohio state. Those are way better cultures than the one Butch Jones had here.
 
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He’s a LOSER. Does not win. Prove me wrong LOSER. Not calling poster a loser but JG to be clear.
And this is the exact reason you bench him. He doesn’t give us any chance to win. You ride with Shrout and Maurer. If they both get hurt, play a walk-on or even Jajuan. Playing Shrout or Maurer now gives us a chance of winning winnable games in the 2nd half of the season.
 
I want y’all to notice a common denominator.
The lack of production from nearly every big name recruit.
There is a weakness in what is being taught and coached.
These guys aren’t sorry athletes AT ALL.
They aren’t horrible football players, they just haven’t gotten any better since arriving on campus and THATS THE PROBLEM.

I hear you, but there is little to no evidence to support this. Each coach on staff has a pretty damn good resume, especially as those who are just good at coaching ball.

Eric Gray is producing a lot more than I expected, and he looks special at times. Darnell Wright is close to starting. Henry T might as well be the defensive captain, and he’s making instinctive reads you’d expect from upper class men.

When I think of “big names” that aren’t producing, I’m noticing they weren’t recruited by this staff. Callaway and JG are good examples.
 
Let’s run a little thought experiment:

Disregard the Georgia State game. If I told you all on August 1st, the first day of camp, that we’d lose to BYU but we “played hard” and “the crowd was really good” and those things would be cited as progress and a job well done by the coaching staff, you all would have laughed me off as a negaVol.

Some serious moving of the goalposts going on this morning.
I'm reminding you that reminding us how right you are is not a good idea.
 
What makes it worse is.. cant even watch other college games, because it seems like any sec announcers get, they RIP on tennessee.
 
I hear you, but there is little to no evidence to support this. Each coach on staff has a pretty damn good resume, especially as those who are just good at coaching ball.

Eric Gray is producing a lot more than I expected, and he looks special at times. Darnell Wright is close to starting. Henry T might as well be the defensive captain, and he’s making instinctive reads you’d expect from upper class men.

When I think of “big names” that aren’t producing, I’m noticing they weren’t recruited by this staff. Callaway and JG are good examples.
The upperclassmen are still their responsibility is what I think Jay is saying. They should be getting more out of them.
 
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