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In regards to JG, I think this is a classic example of a how a cerebral QB is more important than having the best arm. Some of the best QB's have had average arms but knew how to play the game. I saw an interview with Peyton and he said he knew 90% of time where he was going with the ball before he took the snap. I think JG's pre-snap reading ability is probably close to non-existent. On the play that was mentioned, JG had decided, wrongfully so, he was going to Palmer. Other teams pick up on this and bait QB's into those mistakes. Another thing I heard Peyton mention is that when he sees a blitz coming, he targets the area of the field where the blitzer is coming from. To get a team to stop blitzing, you punish them for it. JG is horrible at identifying a blitz and reacting to it. I'm not sure he'll ever get it.
 
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BruinVol said:
You’d have to assume that defender has worse tunnel vision that JG to assume he doesn’t know JJ is there.

The fact is when JG reverses sides the defender is going to read his eyes and jump the throw. You just can’t throw late short over the middle. QBs are taught that.


The correct play would have been to just throw the ball away I think under the circumstances. We didn’t have time to scramble and potentially take a sack as the half was almost over. JG forced it and that was awful
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JG throws it away on 4th down.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
In regards to JG, I think this is a classic example of a how a cerebral QB is more important than having the best arm. Some of the best QB's have had average arms but knew how to play the game. I saw an interview with Peyton and he said he knew 90% of time where he was going with the ball before he took the snap. I think JG's pre-snap reading ability is probably close to non-existent. On the play that was mentioned, JG had decided, wrongfully so, he was going to Palmer. Other teams pick up on this and bait QB's into those mistakes. Another thing I heard Peyton mention is that when he sees a blitz coming, he targets the area of the field where the blitzer is coming from. To get a team to stop blitzing, you punish them for it. JG is horrible at identifying a blitz and reacting to it. I'm not sure he'll ever get it.
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Well said.

I do think I am more willing to give him more time than most because 4 OCs means his learning curve has been stunted.
Also I have heard many NFL analysts say a number of NLF QBs are one read guys. One of them made the super bowl last year
 
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Atlanta VOL said:
Was just hanging out in an FBO on the west coast getting ready to leave and man there must have been 10-15 BYU folks getting ready to head to Knox. Spoke to them for a little bit and I got the sense BYU fans are coming in droves this weekend.
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Thoughts on the team, whats going on, and how Saturday may go?
 
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VolGee4 said:
The point is that you have 4 high level schools that hired coordinators with no head coaching experience. Has very little to do with their situations. People are complaining that Pruitt was hired at our school without any head coaching experience. That's the landscape now in college football. If the jobs at Alabama, Auburn, Texas, or Florida State come open, would they have hired Ryan Day or even Linoln Riley before he was a head coach? Probably not. But that's what UGA, OU, and OSU did.

If that's lazy, then so be it. You still have to coach, bring in a culture, organize, and recruit.
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The issue is you picked 3 of the most extreme examples where the reasoning isn't the same for our situation or most of the rest of the programs in college football. 2 took over programs they were already in and those programs were ultra successful. The other was protégé to the greatest hc ever for a long time AND took over a successful program. Yes, there is also the common denominator that none had been HC before; but that really isn't the most important common denominator to focus on.
 
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jakez4ut said:
ok, i misunderstood. my issue is the expectations based on the comparison, not that he hasn't been a head coach before. at some point, every head coach was a first time head coach.
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Very rarely if ever was a successful head coach a first time head coach in the SEC at a program that's in a really bad spot.
 
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Atlanta VOL said:
Was just hanging out in an FBO on the west coast getting ready to leave and man there must have been 10-15 BYU folks getting ready to head to Knox. Spoke to them for a little bit and I got the sense BYU fans are coming in droves this weekend.
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Is each man bringing all his wives or just the hottest one. Lol
 
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BruinVol said:
Well said.

I do think I am more willing to give him more time than most because 4 OCs means his learning curve has been stunted.
Also I have heard many NFL analysts say a number of NLF QBs are one read guys. One of them made the super bowl last year
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@bignewt and I were having this discussion a few weeks back. I made the same case and even added that of his OCs, I didn't think he really had a great QB coach. Another factor is he's developed bad habits due to horrendous line play. He's been constantly harassed. Now he doesn't know what to do when he does have some time. Do I think he could have been a much better QB at another program with quality coaching and a quality offensive line? Absolutely. Do I think he'll ever get it here? Absolutely not. We've seen the best he's got IMO. I think he's reached his ceiling.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
In regards to JG, I think this is a classic example of a how a cerebral QB is more important than having the best arm. Some of the best QB's have had average arms but knew how to play the game. I saw an interview with Peyton and he said he knew 90% of time where he was going with the ball before he took the snap. I think JG's pre-snap reading ability is probably close to non-existent. On the play that was mentioned, JG had decided, wrongfully so, he was going to Palmer. Other teams pick up on this and bait QB's into those mistakes. Another thing I heard Peyton mention is that when he sees a blitz coming, he targets the area of the field where the blitzer is coming from. To get a team to stop blitzing, you punish them for it. JG is horrible at identifying a blitz and reacting to it. I'm not sure he'll ever get it.
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This 100%. There are the obvious JG haters but the vast majority of us just want to see him "get it". Its his 4th year in the program. Different coordinators or not. JUST GET IT YOUNG MAN!
 
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InVOLuntary said:
@bignewt and I were having this discussion a few weeks back. I made the same case and even added that of his OCs, I didn't think he really had a great QB coach. Another factor is he's developed bad habits due to horrendous line play. He's been constantly harassed. Now he doesn't know what to do when he does have some time. Do I think he could have been a much better QB at another program with quality coaching and a quality offensive line? Absolutely. Do I think he'll ever get it here? Absolutely not. We've seen the best he's got IMO. I think he's reached his ceiling.
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I guess my thing is we seem to be giving a lot of the players a pass for just not taking Saturday serious enough but for JG it’s a defining moment that he will never get over the hump.


Imo if Chaney can get our running game going He can call the right mix of pass plays that allow JG to be successful as a one read guy. I still think he can lead up to a bowl game IF the defense gets better.
 
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BruinVol said:
I don’t recall that one. His last play was a TD.

I’d love to see the video of it if anyone has it
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Bruin, I think people on there give you too much of a hard time, though you definitely bring it on yourself in many cases.

But as for that garbage ass touchdown, I don't want to ever see it (along with the rest of the game). That was a complete BS, stat-padding score. Against the worst team in the Sun Belt who was probably letting their 3rd and 4th string guys on the field so they could say they played against Tennessee in Neyland because their first and second string guys had just kicked the sh!t out of us for 57 minutes.

As far as I'm concerned, they beat us by 15. That last score means nothing and is just as embarrassing as the entire rest of the game.
 
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jakez4ut said:
cliff notes:

"does the phrase 'poop thru a goose' mean anything to you?"
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This may be sacrilegious, but this harkens to my favorite rant from little man Saban. They were preparing to face a non-Power 5 opponent and one of the reporters asked something about getting to see some other guys in the game. Saban went off on the guy about how he wasn't planning on how he was going to get his depth chart some work in the game, he was planning to make sure that they won the game (novel concept, huh?).

To illustrate his point, he referred to having played Georgia Southern a few years earlier, and apparently GA Southern had some success running the ball for a portion of the game. Recollecting it, Saban says, "And they ran through our ass like sh!t through a tin horn, man. And we could not stop them. Could not stop them. Could not stop them because we could not get a look in practice."
 
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Chuckie said:
Bruin, I think people on there give you too much of a hard time, though you definitely bring it on yourself in many cases.

But as for that garbage ass touchdown, I don't want to ever see it (along with the rest of the game). That was a complete BS, stat-padding score. Against the worst team in the Sun Belt who was probably letting their 3rd and 4th string guys on the field so they could say they played against Tennessee in Neyland because their first and second string guys had just kicked the sh!t out of us for 57 minutes.

As far as I'm concerned, they beat us by 15. That last score means nothing and is just as embarrassing as the entire rest of the game.
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Yea that last TD was worthless
 
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itsme said:
I talked with my daughter last night about her not having to have a boyfriend. She’s got a couple friends that since the school year has started ones had 3 different and the other 4 different boyfriends. Should she feels she has to have a boyfriend too. We have expectations in place for what our girls are to expect from a spouse in life. He fits very few, so I told her she needs to set guidelines because she is the prize. He’s a prick kid that has been given everything he has and expects her to placate to his whims. I’m getting pissed thinking about the douche.
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If I ever have a daughter, I just hope she's a lesbian.
 
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