Congrats to state of Tennessee for executing justice on Stephen West last night.

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76vol said:
166 death row exoneration since 1973. It's considered a given we've executed innocent people. Continuing the death penalty under these circumstances is fundamentally immoral. If we care about the individual rights of American citizens it should stop.
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You think he was innocent?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
You think he was innocent?
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No. Evidently I failed in attempting to make my point. I'll try again.

1. We know 166 people were given the death penalty and years later they were exonerated. Almost always because good people dedicated a substantial amount of time and money to right the ultimate mistake the State can make.

2. We know the government has executed innocent people. There have even been post execution exonerations.

3. The only way to prevent the government from possibly executing an innocent American citizen is to take that power away from them.

4. It's more moral to prevent one innocent citizen from the death penalty than to execute those who are guilty especially when they can be given life without parole.

We don't trust the government to get a lot less important things than this correct so why should we trust them on this issue.
 
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76vol said:
No. Evidently I failed in attempting to make my point. I'll try again.

1. We know 166 people were given the death penalty and years later they were exonerated. Almost always because good people dedicated a substantial amount of time and money to right the ultimate mistake the State can make.

2. We know the government has executed innocent people. There have even been post execution exonerations.

3. The only way to prevent the government from possibly executing an innocent American citizen is to take that power away from them.

4. It's more moral to prevent one innocent citizen from the death penalty than to execute those who are guilty especially when they can be given life without parole.

We don't trust the government to get a lot less important things than this correct so why should we trust them on this issue.
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You didn't fail making your point, @SpaceCoastVol just missed it.
 
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76vol said:
No. Evidently I failed in attempting to make my point. I'll try again.



We don't trust the government to get a lot less important things than this correct so why should we trust them on this issue.
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76vol said:
No. Evidently I failed in attempting to make my point. I'll try again.

1. We know 166 people were given the death penalty and years later they were exonerated. Almost always because good people dedicated a substantial amount of time and money to right the ultimate mistake the State can make.

2. We know the government has executed innocent people. There have even been post execution exonerations.

3. The only way to prevent the government from possibly executing an innocent American citizen is to take that power away from them.

4. It's more moral to prevent one innocent citizen from the death penalty than to execute those who are guilty especially when they can be given life without parole.

We don't trust the government to get a lot less important things than this correct so why should we trust them on this issue.
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So even in cases when guilt is not in doubt?
 
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76vol said:
No. Evidently I failed in attempting to make my point. I'll try again.

1. We know 166 people were given the death penalty and years later they were exonerated. Almost always because good people dedicated a substantial amount of time and money to right the ultimate mistake the State can make.

2. We know the government has executed innocent people. There have even been post execution exonerations.

3. The only way to prevent the government from possibly executing an innocent American citizen is to take that power away from them.

4. It's more moral to prevent one innocent citizen from the death penalty than to execute those who are guilty especially when they can be given life without parole.

We don't trust the government to get a lot less important things than this correct so why should we trust them on this issue.
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Excellent post.
 
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#86
Everyone of the little angels that was convicted of murder were just snatched off of the street taking their grandmother to church. You people amaze me at how you think some of these murderers are loveable little creatures.
 
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Bigun said:
Confessions plus evidence. Do you think it was wrong to put Ted Bundy and Timothy McVeigh to death?
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Until we stop having situations of coerced confessions then the .gov has no business sentencing people to death. And yes it was wrong to put them to death. There are times we have gotten it wrong when their was evidence, and sometimes confessions, and oops our bad. I don’t trust the government to do anything well. This falls into that category as well.
 
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76vol said:
No. Evidently I failed in attempting to make my point. I'll try again.

1. We know 166 people were given the death penalty and years later they were exonerated. Almost always because good people dedicated a substantial amount of time and money to right the ultimate mistake the State can make.

2. We know the government has executed innocent people. There have even been post execution exonerations.

3. The only way to prevent the government from possibly executing an innocent American citizen is to take that power away from them.

4. It's more moral to prevent one innocent citizen from the death penalty than to execute those who are guilty especially when they can be given life without parole.

We don't trust the government to get a lot less important things than this correct so why should we trust them on this issue.
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You should post more often in the PF!
 
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volfanhill said:
Until we stop having situations of coerced confessions then the .gov has no business sentencing people to death. And yes it was wrong to put them to death. There are times we have gotten it wrong when their was evidence, and sometimes confessions, and oops our bad. I don’t trust the government to do anything well. This falls into that category as well.
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So even when there is no doubt, such in those cases, they should still live?
 
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evillawyer said:
Yes, but you're also guaranteeing that the state will kill someone to prevent a potential, but highly unlikely, outcome (a jailed murderer murdering again).
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It happens.

but after the sentence is carried out 100% it won't.
 
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Matt2496 said:
You should post more often in the PF!
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I appreciate the sentiment and maybe I will, but I'm old and I realized a long time ago the best way to have people actually think about the point you're trying to make is in face to face interactions. Sometimes anyway.
 
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76vol said:
I appreciate the sentiment and maybe I will, but I'm old and I realized a long time ago the best way tinformation sheo have people actually think about the point you're trying to make is in face to face interactions. Sometimes anyway.
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Welcome to the information age. Face to face is rapidly becoming a thing of the past
 
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