Alabama is the best program in SEC history. But who's No. 2?

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The Case for Tennessee
Greetings your honor and members of the jury. Given the last few years, many of you may be wondering how we made it here today. Well, forasmuch discord and disappointment as there has been in Knoxville, Tennessee, recently, if you wipe the decade of dust off of our program, you will uncover a history of winning and a team robust with tradition and pride.

Names like Johnny Majors, Peyton Manning, Reggie White, Eric Berry, Jamal Lewis, Al Wilson and General Robert Neyland immediately come to mind when you think about Tennessee. Though Alabama was gathering a bouquet of Pasadena roses and sending the Yellow Jackets to a watery grave, we were every bit as much the gold standard in the SEC until the 1960s. To that end, we might mention that when Bryant arrived at Alabama in 1958, Tennessee had won 6 conference championships to Alabama’s 5! (Even after Bryant arrived, it still took him 3 years to beat us!)

Though our tradition began in 1891 and flourished before the war, in many ways, the 1950s were our decade. During that stretch, we brought home the school’s first national title in 1951, and coach Neyland also guided his teams to 10-win seasons in 1950 and 1956, including 2 SEC crowns.

“But who cares about the 1950s?” you say.

OK, fine. Let’s talk about Tennessee of the 1990s, without question our best decade. Included were 4 10-win seasons, a national title in 1998 with a perfect 13-0 record, and the biggest bowl win in school history: a 23-16 victory over Florida State in the Fiesta Bowl. And though Florida dominated us in head-to-head matchups, we won 98 games, 6 bowls and had 6 top 10 finishes. Not too shabby.

Head-to-head, we hold an overall edge with most SEC schools, including LSU (20-10-3) and Arkansas (13-5), and overall we are tied with Georgia at a 23-23-2 mark. Outside of the SEC, we have defeated the illustrious programs of Ohio State, Michigan, Florida State, Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska and Penn State, among others.

We recognize that our current demise has rendered us the laughingstock of the SEC to many fans, and rival schools revel in the implosion that’s occurred in Knoxville. But why?

Peel back the layers of this hilarity and you will discover that we have been good — very good — in the past. Had our program have been mediocre all these years, no one would feel the need to comment or laugh at our decline. So in ways it’s actually a testament to how good we have been.

Consider this: We claim 6 national titles — 1938, 1940, 1950, 1951, 1967, 1998 — overall and 2 AP. We are tied with Georgia for second in overall Southeastern Conference (SEC) championships with 13. Out of the 5 schools vying for second place, we have the most overall wins with 838, most Consensus All-Americans (40) and most members of the College Football Hall of Fame (24). Our 28 bowl wins and 6 SEC East division titles are more than a subtle nod to our great football heritage.

Laugh at that.


I can dig it.
 
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Great read and thanks for the post dd!

"Our 28 bowl wins and 6 SEC East division titles are more than a subtle nod to our great football heritage."

Sadly, our heritage is all we have to celebrate. It's been a generation since UT has added any hardware to the trophy case. Still, historically, UT can make a case for #2....but those days are numbered unless the program gets back on track.
 
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12-15 years ago there wouldn't have been much debate. I would say UT is historically #2, but there is definitely an argument.
 
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#2 as of right now but if we keep on the same path for the next ten years then that will change. It all starts with leadership and with Fulmer running the show we will be just fine.
 
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This is one of those questions we all know the answer to, IMO.

From a historical perspective, the answer is pretty clear and I don’t think there is much of an argument.

From a “here and now” perspective (since cable TV), the answer is pretty clear and I don’t think there is much of an argument.

So, it depends on who you talk to and how much they care about looking at an entire historical perspective.
 
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While I can enjoy the rest of your post Duncan, I really cant get past the thread title to discuss it with you.
 
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This is one of those questions we all know the answer to, IMO.

From a historical perspective, the answer is pretty clear and I don’t think there is much of an argument.

From a “here and now” perspective (since cable TV), the answer is pretty clear and I don’t think there is much of an argument.

So, it depends on who you talk to and how much they care about looking at an entire historical perspective.
At some point, the early 2000's (2000-2018) will also be in the rear view mirror, and maybe teams like LSU are looking back trying to restore what has clearly been their glory days. IF we've really gotten it right with Fulmer/Pruitt and staff, we'll be back sooner than most think. The optics for this year says another 6-8 win season, maybe showing nominal progress. We're certainly not being considered a threat by most, and if we've upped our game, also have a good chance of catching some folks off guard. Most all the players look alot different, in a good way, after being in the S/C program for over a year, and it seems Pruitt no nonsense mind set is resonating. Everything would have to come together, w/ minimal injuries, folks playing as a unit, and above expectations...we could be a team in a unique position of having our stuff together and no one knows it....or, I could be pre-season orange colored glasses delusional, as usual, just setting myself up for another year of disappointment.
 
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This is one of those questions we all know the answer to, IMO.

From a historical perspective, the answer is pretty clear and I don’t think there is much of an argument.

From a “here and now” perspective (since cable TV), the answer is pretty clear and I don’t think there is much of an argument.

So, it depends on who you talk to and how much they care about looking at an entire historical perspective.

No argument from me the Gators Suck. I just found out a couple of years ago that "Gators Suck" was actually 2 words.
 
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I truly look forward to the day/night they do a post game feed to the locker room and catch someone saying we don’t give a fk about the whole state of Alabama
 
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I truly look forward to the day/night they do a post game feed to the locker room and catch someone saying we don’t give a fk about the whole state of Alabama


That is an entirely different problem volman. The correct answer, historically, for the second spot is Tennessee. I'll admit Georgia caught me off guard a little with 13 SEC titles. I would say that both LSU and Georgia are nipping at Davy's boots these days.
 
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That is how good our history is. We've been absolutely awful for more than a decade and we're still the second best program in the conference. Here's hoping we'll get back to where we belong soon.
 
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I think we are still # 2 barely. Since the end of segregation, Georgia is the second winningiest program in SEC, and are 19 games back of us in all time wins. Auburn has 1 national championship since the end of segregation but a lot fewer wins (71) and SEC championships (8). LSU has 11 total SEC championships and 2 national titles since the end of segregation but 41 fewer wins than us, whereas us and Georgia have 13 total SEC championships and 1 national title since the end of segregation. Florida has 3 national championships since the end of segregation, but fewer overall SEC titles (8) and fewer wins (114 fewer than us). Again, we still maintain a slight edge but I'd say Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Auburn are all right there, especially Georgia and LSU. I think what separates us is that we still have the edge in all time wins over the others and are tied for 2nd most conference titles. As to national championships, counting those is kind of dubious, at least the older they are, because of the different approaches schools have to claiming them, I think our claims to 1938, 1950 and 1998 are solid but in the other 3 we lost our bowl game and in modern times, that wouldn't hold salt. This is the most honest and non-partisan accounting of national championships I have ever seen:

THE definitive national champ for each season, 1869-2018

Here's the all-time win rankings since 1972, the first year all teams were integrated:

I-A Wins 1972-2018

Overall all-time wins:

I-A Wins 1869-2018

SEC Championships by school:

1. Alabama, 27
2. Tennessee, 13
3. Georgia, 13
4. LSU, 11
5. Florida, 8
6. Auburn 8
7. Ole Miss, 6
8. Georgia Tech, 5
9. Tulane, 3
10. Kentucky, 2
11. Miss State, 1

Source: List of Southeastern Conference champions - Wikipedia
 
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This is one of those questions we all know the answer to, IMO.

From a historical perspective, the answer is pretty clear and I don’t think there is much of an argument.

From a “here and now” perspective (since cable TV), the answer is pretty clear and I don’t think there is much of an argument.

So, it depends on who you talk to and how much they care about looking at an entire historical perspective.

Florida is 2nd best. past 25 years, they've been as good as anyone.
 
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There's no question the Volunteers are the #2 program in the SEC, birth to present.

There's also no question we're losing ground. This past decade has not been kind. There was a time, not too many decades ago, when the "no question Bama is #1" thing wasn't a thing at all, and the two programs were neck and neck. Neyland was as big as Bryant; bigger, many who know football history say.

But we've lost that fight. Now we're clinging to #2. Okay, it's certainly better than clinging to #10 or #13, as we'd be doing if every Vols decade were like the past decade.

What we need to do is get back in Tennessee form, solidify our hold on the #2 spot, own the East, and begin chipping away at #1's lead again. We can do that. Folks who ask questions like, "is Pruitt Tennessee's last chance?" and make claims like, "we're historically a 7- or 8-win program, we need to be happy with that" just don't know enough about who we are, who we have been and can be again.

We just gotta get at it. Thankfully, we finally have an AD and *fingers crossed* coaching staff who can lead us that way.

Go Vols!
 
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