Alabama is the best program in SEC history. But who's No. 2?

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I’m just going to bring this up because it’s a different thought process beyond what has already been posted.

If I was going to make a case for someone outside of Tennessee, it would be Georgia. And the reason it would be Georgia is head to head.

It’s hard to make the case of superiority in some sense when you are getting beat by the other guy head to head.

Everyone has a losing record vs. Alabama. The only other squad Georgia has a losing record to in the league is LSU. Not counting A&M (they are 2-3 against A&M).

To me, that matters. It least it does more than it does for most people.

And Florida, Tennessee, etc., have problems when looking at things from that point of view.
 
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The 90s era is coming back soon and we will be even better than we were in the 90s. Give it time, CPF knew exactly what we needed and he was tired of seeing us fail year after year. Once he got into a position to actually turn this program around he did with out hesitation. Be patient give CJP another 3 years and this nearly 2 decade hole we dug will be behind us.
 
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It's crazy to think that UT, UF, and UGA have been in the same division for almost 3 decades now, and UT has still played Bama more times than those 2 combined.
 
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chrismc1000 said:
The 90s era is coming back soon and we will be even better than we were in the 90s. Give it time, CPF knew exactly what we needed and he was tired of seeing us fail year after year. Once he got into a position to actually turn this program around he did with out hesitation. Be patient give CJP another 3 years and this nearly 2 decade hole we dug will be behind us.
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The 90s aren’t coming back, simply because LSU and Georgia weren’t competitive in the 90s.

They are now.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I think we are still # 2 barely. Since the end of segregation, Georgia is the second winningiest program in SEC, and are 19 games back of us in all time wins. Auburn has 1 national championship since the end of segregation but a lot fewer wins (71) and SEC championships (8). LSU has 11 total SEC championships and 2 national titles since the end of segregation but 41 fewer wins than us, whereas us and Georgia have 13 total SEC championships and 1 national title since the end of segregation. Florida has 3 national championships since the end of segregation, but fewer overall SEC titles (8) and fewer wins (114 fewer than us). Again, we still maintain a slight edge but I'd say Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Auburn are all right there, especially Georgia and LSU. I think what separates us is that we still have the edge in all time wins over the others and are tied for 2nd most conference titles. As to national championships, counting those is kind of dubious, at least the older they are, because of the different approaches schools have to claiming them, I think our claims to 1938, 1950 and 1998 are solid but in the other 3 we lost our bowl game and in modern times, that wouldn't hold salt. This is the most honest and non-partisan accounting of national championships I have ever seen:

THE definitive national champ for each season, 1869-2018

Here's the all-time win rankings since 1972, the first year all teams were integrated:

I-A Wins 1972-2018

Overall all-time wins:

I-A Wins 1869-2018

SEC Championships by school:

1. Alabama, 27
2. Tennessee, 13
3. Georgia, 13
4. LSU, 11
5. Florida, 8
6. Auburn 8
7. Ole Miss, 6
8. Georgia Tech, 5
9. Tulane, 3
10. Kentucky, 2
11. Miss State, 1

Source: List of Southeastern Conference champions - Wikipedia
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Someone please remind Kentucky that Tulane has more SEC championships than they do
 
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The Original Fade said:
Just think if coaches like Jerry Dinardo and Jim Donan tried to get SEC jobs in today’s climate
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Jim Donnan, when hired by UGA, was significantly more accomplished than anyone we've hired the past decade....

Jim Donnan accomplished more at UGA than anyone we've hired in the past decade...

Our athletic department has lost more $$$$ with coaching hires in the past decade than someone investing with Jim Donnan...
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I think we are still # 2 barely. Since the end of segregation, Georgia is the second winningiest program in SEC, and are 19 games back of us in all time wins. Auburn has 1 national championship since the end of segregation but a lot fewer wins (71) and SEC championships (8). LSU has 11 total SEC championships and 2 national titles since the end of segregation but 41 fewer wins than us, whereas us and Georgia have 13 total SEC championships and 1 national title since the end of segregation. Florida has 3 national championships since the end of segregation, but fewer overall SEC titles (8) and fewer wins (114 fewer than us). Again, we still maintain a slight edge but I'd say Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Auburn are all right there, especially Georgia and LSU. I think what separates us is that we still have the edge in all time wins over the others and are tied for 2nd most conference titles. As to national championships, counting those is kind of dubious, at least the older they are, because of the different approaches schools have to claiming them, I think our claims to 1938, 1950 and 1998 are solid but in the other 3 we lost our bowl game and in modern times, that wouldn't hold salt. This is the most honest and non-partisan accounting of national championships I have ever seen:

THE definitive national champ for each season, 1869-2018

Here's the all-time win rankings since 1972, the first year all teams were integrated:

I-A Wins 1972-2018

Overall all-time wins:

I-A Wins 1869-2018

SEC Championships by school:

1. Alabama, 27
2. Tennessee, 13
3. Georgia, 13
4. LSU, 11
5. Florida, 8
6. Auburn 8
7. Ole Miss, 6
8. Georgia Tech, 5
9. Tulane, 3
10. Kentucky, 2
11. Miss State, 1

Source: List of Southeastern Conference champions - Wikipedia
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Note that Bama has only pulled ahead of us in the 10-12 yrs while we have sucked.
 
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The SEC of today is a far different conference than even 30 years ago. There is money to be made for the universities today vs the 70s and back. The SEC commish in the 80s began to see revenue producing opportunities. THE SEC was the first conference to take advantage of it and is still the leader with the ACC closing the gap. Because of this there were not many excellent football coaches in the conference. During the 90s CPF only had one conference coach that could recruit and coach as good as him. Now almost every SEC school only wants to hire the best coaches. That is why coaches win or they are replaced so quickly. Fulmer would struggle today just as he did in the early to mid 2000's. As it was, he won a lot of games, but only 2 conference championships. As a fan I see Pruitt putting TENN back into contention, but the realist in me says there is no magic coach going to come in and dominate the conference again. The quality of the SEC coaching is amazing. That make what Saban has done, even more remarkable. So it is easy to say TENN is #2 based on history, but the past 30 years the conference has changed. The Big 10, PAC 12, BIG 12, ACC, and any other conference has not had the effort to improve top to bottom like the SEC.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
I truly look forward to the day/night they do a post game feed to the locker room and catch someone saying we don’t give a fk about the whole state of Alabama
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They did... Lead by Fulmer.... Then we got our ARSES handed to us by the main team from the state of Alabama!
 
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BeecherVol said:
It's crazy to think that UT, UF, and UGA have been in the same division for almost 3 decades now, and UT has still played Bama more times than those 2 combined.
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The same could be said though for Florida as to LSU and Georgia as to Auburn. Those 3 schools have all been pretty comparable in that time:

Since the SEC split into divisions:

Bama is 220-85 against everyone other than Tennessee
LSU is 220-89-1 against everyone other than Florida and
Auburn is 214-95-2 against everyone other than Georgia.

UF is 16-11 against LSU
UGA is 16-11-1 against Auburn
UT is 10-16-1 against Bama

Here's the overall records in CFB since the SEC split into divisions:

football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1992&end=2018&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&by=Wins
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Note that Bama has only pulled ahead of us in the 10-12 yrs while we have sucked.
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They've been pretty solidly ahead of us since Bear Bryant went and won his multiple national championships (3-6 depending on who you ask, I say 3, 1961, 1965 and 1979, in 1964 and 1973 Bama lost their bowl game, and in 1978 they split with Southern Cal but lost the head to head at Legion Field by 10 during the season), and 13 SEC titles.

Georgia was ahead of us in SEC titles and the head to head when I was a kid (born in 77'), but we went back ahead of them (we had previously been ahead of them in) in 1990 on SEC titles and 1991 in the head to head, we've been tied again in the head to head once before and again last year and then they tied us in SEC titles in 2017. There's always been some jockeying #2 through #6 but historically it's been us, and still is by a pretty thin margin.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Maybe I’m confusing him with Mike DuBose
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Starts w a D too. Both got a D in SEC coaching. Bama fans I know still call him Dumbose. 😊 Strong w the ladies too. At least the ones staffed in his own office. But he was a successful assistant w Stallings iirc. He would be like a Pruitt hire in theory.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
The same could be said though for Florida as to LSU and Georgia as to Auburn. Those 3 schools have all been pretty comparable in that time:

Since the SEC split into divisions:

Bama is 220-85 against everyone other than Tennessee
LSU is 220-89-1 against everyone other than Florida and
Auburn is 214-95-2 against everyone other than Georgia.

UF is 16-11 against LSU
UGA is 16-11-1 against Auburn
UT is 10-16-1 against Bama

Here's the overall records in CFB since the SEC split into divisions:

football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1992&end=2018&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&by=Wins
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Not really. From a historical sense the SEC didnt start in 92'. The only reason I mentioned it, was from that point UT has played both UGA and UF every year. Sama as Bama. And even after all those years UT has still played Bama more times total that both UF and UGA combined.

No one considers LSU or AU the best team in the SEC historically. You could make a solid argument that they are behind not only Bama but UT, UF, and UGA as well.
 
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livefaith said:
Starts w a D too. Both got a D in SEC coaching. Bama fans I know still call him Dumbose. 😊 String w the ladies too. At least the ones staffed in his own office. But he was a successful assistant w Stallings iirc. He would be like a Pruitt hire in theory.
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You better hope not. Dubose wasn't the DC for our NC team in '92.' That was brother Bill Oliver. Dubose was just over his head as a HC but still managed to beat Florida twice in '99' and win the SEC.
 
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bamawriter said:
Bama has been firmly ahead of UT for 50 years. The last decade didn't change the Bama-UT dynamic; it simply shrunk the gap between #2 and #s 3 thru 6.
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When Tennessee won against Bama in 1970, the series was tied 21 wins each. There was also very little difference between the two teams' SEC and National Championships. The 70's decade and the past 10 years has been the difference. The 80's was Bama 6-4. The 90's was Tennessee 6-4. 2000-2009 was a tie with 5 wins each.
 
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