To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Why can't both be true? Blacks killing other blacks is indeed a problem along with cops killing/harrassing/fleecing civilians...
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One is 18 times more likely to happen than the other. But because liberals are cowards they will not have real talk about it.
 
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Bigun said:
One is 18 times more likely to happen than the other. But because liberals are cowards they will not have real talk about it.
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I don't know anyone who thinks the rate at which black people kill each other isn't a problem. The thing that people like you can't seem to (or, let's be honest, simply choose not to) understand is that, in regards to the discussion of holding law enforcement accountable when they break the law, it's nothing but a red herring. But let's pretend for a minute (though make no mistake, pretending is what we'd be doing) that it is relevant (it isn't) to the discussion we're having in this thread.

The biggest difference in the two is that when a black person kills another black person, they're held accountable (they go to jail). When a cop kills a civilian (regardless of their skin color), they are rarely held accountable (they get a paid vacation). As far as I'm concerned, the rate at which cops kill civilians isn't nearly as big of a problem as the fact that, when they do it, there is almost never any consequences.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I don't know anyone who thinks the rate at which black people kill each other isn't a problem. The thing that people like you can't seem to (or, let's be honest, simply choose not to) understand is that, in regards to the discussion of holding law enforcement accountable when they break the law, it's nothing but a red herring. But let's pretend for a minute (though make no mistake, pretending is what we'd be doing) that it is relevant (it isn't) to the discussion we're having in this thread.

The biggest difference in the two is that when a black person kills another black person, they're held accountable (they go to jail). When a cop kills a civilian (regardless of their skin color), they are rarely held accountable (they get a paid vacation). As far as I'm concerned, the rate at which cops kill civilians isn't nearly as big of a problem as the fact that, when they do it, there is almost never any consequences.
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Me and most people are absolutely ok for Leo's to be prosecuted for crimes and found guilty but just because the verdict doesnt always match means they are always wrong.

Glorifying thugs like Michael Brown and blaming the police for shooting him when he charged them is a main part of the problem.

Also while in your view cops are always guilty and deserve to be Dallas'd, most cases deserve some nuance as to what the circumstances were. If you were a cop and a suspect ran away, then turned and pulled something his waistband and started to point it, what would you do? Keep in mind, real life isnt a Law and Order episode.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Jaywalking ticket writing cops... I can sleep better knowing we have 3 less supersoakers on the streets.
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So you are saying people should be able to dump water on others they hate without any repercussions?

I think I'm starting to sense a pattern with those that have trouble following authority they dont agree with.

Just sad people stereotype police bad the celebrate murder and assault against them.
 
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It just can't be allowed to slide by unpunished. Right now it may just be water but without instant repercussions for those actions what could it turn into, bleach, acid...
 
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DynaLo said:
It just can't be allowed to slide by unpunished. Right now it may just be water but without instant repercussions for those actions what could it turn into, bleach, acid...
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Lol if you threw bleach on a cop you’d be dead before the bucket hit the ground.

And what does water have to do with anything? How would citing someone for dumping water on you stop anyone else from dumping something dangerous on you? You’re using gun control logic.
 
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Bigun said:
So you are saying people should be able to dump water on others they hate without any repercussions?

I think I'm starting to sense a pattern with those that have trouble following authority they dont agree with.

Just sad people stereotype police bad the celebrate murder and assault against them.
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Of all the discussions that have taken place in this particular thread over the years, I cannot think of one person who has posted delight at a cops death.
 
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Bigun said:
So you are saying people should be able to dump water on others they hate without any repercussions?

I think I'm starting to sense a pattern with those that have trouble following authority they dont agree with.

Just sad people stereotype police bad the celebrate murder and assault against them.
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What is the proper/just punishment for someone dumping water (not bleach, acid or anything else) on you?
 
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I also can’t shake the feeling there’s more to this story than what we’re being told. What it really looks like is that they’ve lost a bet or something... I don’t know. I’ll admit they don’t seem to be playing along but they also don’t seem to be upset about it either.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Dude, all I asked you is what is the proper/just punishment? Don't read anything further into it.
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Apparently if you don’t think they should be water boarded (an actual suggested punishment I saw posted in the comments section of that twitter link) then you think there should be no consequences at all.

Cause, ya know... There can’t possibly be an in between.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What is the proper/just punishment for someone dumping water (not bleach, acid or anything else) on you?
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They were called to the scene, at least from what I've read, for an unruly mob. They were there in a law enforcement capacity, after at least one citizen complaint. Regardless of your interpretation of how serious the situation is or not, the fact remains that someone called them there...they weren't just sitting idly by, waiting for a jaywalker.

Is this an act of such a heinous nature that these officers are going to be irreparably harmed, no, of course not--physically anyway.

The one who threw the bucket at the officers is guilty of assault. Period.

The ones who threw the water of officers...disorderly conduct.

Punishment?

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ROR, imo. Take into custody and then release. And before we get into just how serious these infractions are--they're not. Wet uniforms dry. Radios and body cams, on the other hand, might be damaged (those are the things I'd be concerned about being damaged). Firearms can be cleaned, ammunition might need to be inspected...this might actually be a case where some civil restitution comes into play.


Here's what I find most disturbing about this video....


The officer's unwillingness to show any sort of officer presence, authority, or what-have-you when confronted with multiple unruly subjects. I try to show everyone respect from the get-go--everyone deserves that much. You can be tough and fair at the same time. It's a fine line between being an a*hole on a power trip to an officer telling you "Sir...cut that out, or I put you in bracelets." (1) Ask. (2) Tell. (3) Make. You can go from 1 to 3 pretty quickly. If that doesn't work out, call for back-up and break up the crowd.

I wasn't there, so I can't make a judgement call on just how "unruly" this crowd actually was. I've been in crowds like this one, sans water balloons and buckets of water. People tend to get really brave/stupid when they feel they're protected by sheer numbers alone but, as an officer, being surrounded by an unruly crowd is unsettling, to say the least. I don't know, nor have I seen, what happened when they first arrived. They could have easily seen this for what it was, a water balloon fight in the middle of the summer that was getting a little crazy, and played along and asked everyone to just chill out a little so we didn't get more calls...or they could have gone the other way and it completely backfired, causing the crowd to turn against them--I don't know.

Either way, you can't let this slide because it illustrates a message of weakness. Regardless of your opinion of cops, NO ONE wants a weak cop running towards danger. Weakness is what this video projects most of all to me--not of people showing disrespect--but of a weak, unwilling to act police force.

It's sad.
 
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utvolpj said:
3 years ago? You're reaching way back for that vid

Also curious why she needed to bring BLM into it
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3 years ago or not, I'm glad you are ok with the video.

Reason BLM was brought up is because of their hatred of law enforcement and calls for violence against them.

Keep in mind this officer was trying arrest a resident of this housing project who had just assaulted another lady that lives there. Yet here the residents are assisting the cop, even kicking him in the head so the criminal can get away, then celebrating it.

Feels good to you doesnt it?
 
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Bigun said:
3 years ago or not, I'm glad you are ok with the video.

Reason BLM was brought up is because of their hatred of law enforcement and calls for violence against them.

Keep in mind this officer was trying arrest a resident of this housing project who had just assaulted another lady that lives there. Yet here the residents are assisting the cop, even kicking him in the head so the criminal can get away, then celebrating it.

Feels good to you doesnt it?
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Where did I say I was ok? I simply questioned the relevance of a video you likely didn't realize was 3 years old. Since it's so old you can even read all about the resolution

Let's be honest, this lady brought up BLM because there were black people in the video. Now she's a roll tide, maga supporter. Funny how that was predictable
 
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utvolpj said:
Where did I say I was ok? I simply questioned the relevance of a video you likely didn't realize was 3 years old. Since it's so old you can even read all about the resolution

Let's be honest, this lady brought up BLM because there were black people in the video. Now she's a roll tide, maga supporter. Funny how that was predictable
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Lets be honest, BLM has called for violence and also the the complete eradication of the police force. 100% fact, also emboldened by our previous coward leader that sided with them.
 
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