How would you rate John Chavis as a Defensive Coordinator?

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dduncan4163 said:
He was one of the best when his defense were attacking and blitzing. That being said 3rd and Chavis is a saying for a reason. My stomach churned whenever we were hanging on to a late lead. 2001 UGA and 2008 UCLA still gives me nightmares.
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Will have to say in his defense of blowing late leads some of it was from putting unreasonable pressure on the defense when Fulmanders would go into a shell with a lead in the 4th.
 
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savannahfan said:
All games are lost due to this problem.........
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We have lost plenty when the offense was productive while the defense was not. The Ga game 48-52(close enough) loss sticks in my mind. If before the game you would have told me we would score 48, I would have expected the win.

Maybe the defense isn’t scoring enough.
 
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Highly over rated. He was good in the 90s when Tennessee had a massive talent advantage over most of the SEC. Helped hide his deficiencies.
 
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butchna said:
There was a reason he fell down. All-American Brian Bulsworth got shoved into him...all defense that play. 😎
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This is a myth I’ll never understand. Go watch the tape, Stoerner trips over Burlsworth before Burlsworth ever makes contact with a Dlineman.
 
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The Original Fade said:
This is a myth I’ll never understand. Go watch the tape, Stoerner trips over Burlsworth before Burlsworth ever makes contact with a Dlineman.
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Holy crap. Just rewatched that clip and never noticed it was Burlsworth already stepping back into Steorner before Ratliff makes contact.
 
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swampfoxfan said:
Chavis should have been giving the head coach job
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Why do you feel that way? Chavis was never regarded as a good recruiter, not even while we were stock piling great talent in the 90's. I've even seen him called "lazy" on the recruiting trail. In the right place at the right time, you can get away with that as a coordinator, but not as the head coach.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Chavis? Better than any defensive coach we have had since he left...
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Justin Wilcox was a much better coach but never had the talent. I was always amazed at how his players were always in the right position to where the play was going. Just did not have the talent to make the plays.
 
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timmessee said:
Nope. Recruiting is the reason CPF has NC on his resume and the Chief didn't do much of that. I'd give him an overall B for his time at Tennessee; he was a good but not great DC.
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Fulmer won the national championship because of recruiting AND coaching...Chavis was a major part of that. Just like w/ Fulmer, though things got stale towards the end with Chavis. They go together...recruiting and coaching.
 
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Behr said:
Haven't you heard? Clint Stoerner was the reason we won that NC, yeah, he he helped us beat all those other 12 teams, he was awesome.
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This is going to sound like I'm piling on Chavis, but since the '98 Arkansas game has been brought up... I don't think that was the finest hour that season for Chavis. At times, the Chavis defense let some less than great receivers have career best games and Anthony Lucas of Arkansas (in both '98 and again in '99) was one of them. I would also add Jacquez Green of Florida ('97), Sherrod Gideon of Southern Mississippi ('97), Fred Gibson of Georgia ('01) and DJ Hall of Alabama ('07) to that as well.
 
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Over-rated, outmatched, and exposed against teams with equal talent and elite coaching.

His PROWLER scheme against Spurrier's Gators in '98 was the highlight of his career.

He NEVER caught up to the coaches like Spurrier, Meyer--and he crapped the bed constantly against Richt's dawgs......2001 is just a small example of his ineptitude in being able to confuse a true FR QB.

And those SEC championship games with him as the DC sure doesn't help his reputation as a DC. He NEVER adjusted to LSU's offense in the 2001 SEC championship game.
 
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SpookyAction said:
I don't get the disdain. He turned what he had into shinola.
2010 -25 ppg
2011 - 22 ppg


2012 - 35ppg
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I look at Boise State and Washington in addition to his stop at UT. Not disdain. Good coordinator...nothing special. Everything you guys are saying about Chavis without the long term success.
 
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The Original Fade said:
This is a myth I’ll never understand. Go watch the tape, Stoerner trips over Burlsworth before Burlsworth ever makes contact with a Dlineman.
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No it’s not. Watched it over and over. Pocket got collapsed in a hurry by a DL with no knees. Perfect fundamentals and technique. A++++
 
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kbear01 said:
His defensive strategy was copied, many times, and still being used as a model, today. Just look at LSU and Bama. It was really very simple. Put two huge run stoppers, at DT (Henderson, Haynesworth, etc), force everything outside, so your fast LB's could run it down. DE's were pure pass rushers, with motors that never quit. We played a lot of two-deep zone, with the safeties, and mixed up coverages with the corners. Overall, the defense was aggressive, and tried to force turnovers, giving the offense more opportunities. When Chavis had depth, at the LB and D-line, his defense was tough to handle. Especially when coupled with a balanced offensive attack like Cut's. The kicking game was huge. Pinning offenses deep, and putting pressure on them, forcing them to drive the length of the field, turn it over, and make mistakes. All phases complimented each other. We need that now.
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This post is the epitome of FB IGNORANCE at its worst. BAMA, sir, doesn't run a 4-3 DEFENSE. Saban has always ran the 3-4. They copied NOTHING from Chavis!

CHAVIS NEVER ran the 3-4... He ran the 4-3 here at UT over his entire tenure as DC... The ONLY time Chavis ran a 3 man DL is in the Mustang--and that NEVER turned out too well, did it?

How many games did we lose with Chief as DC in the 4th QTR while being up by less than a TD--and the other team having one last chance to win? MEMPHIS--FLORIDA over and over--UGA--BAMA....

CRAP, if Bama would've had a better QB in '96--we would've allowed them to beat us at the end of that game. (having Leonard Little also helped at the end of that game.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Start with Ken Donahue in 1985.
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K...then what? You ever 1988? Stated earlier...loved Donahue. One season doesn’t get a number one rating...or even top 3. His legend was made playing for Neyland and handling Bear’s championship defenses. Norm Chow in your Top 3 UT OC’s?
 
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MikeVol44 said:
This post is the epitome of FB IGNORANCE at its worst. BAMA, sir, doesn't run a 4-3 DEFENSE. Saban has always ran the 3-4. They copied NOTHING from Chavis!

CHAVIS NEVER ran the 3-4... He ran the 4-3 here at UT over his entire tenure as DC... The ONLY time Chavis ran a 3 man DL is in the Mustang--and that NEVER turned out too well, did it?

How many games did we lose with Chief as DC in the 4th QTR while being up by less than a TD--and the other team having one last chance to win? MEMPHIS--FLORIDA over and over--UGA--BAMA....

CRAP, if Bama would've had a better QB in '96--we would've allowed them to beat us at the end of that game. (having Leonard Little also helped at the end of that game.
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Saban (and Belichick for that matter) throw out those 4 man BEAR fronts. Basic concept is the TWO strong run defenders and TWO pass rushers which can be interchangeable as either pass rushing DE’s or pass rushing edge/OLB’s. I don’t think they copied from Chief but they took notes and applied from what he and other defensive minds were doing...those defensive minds including themselves. Everybody copies everybody at some point. I grew up loving my Chicago Bears and that 4-3 scheme but especially the 46. What that entailed was bringing everybody at the QB and counting on there not being enough blockers. When the Dolphins and Dan Marino showed how to exploit that with hot reads and quick release QB play it was never really the same. Today’s 3-4 mixes that aggressiveness without applying it every play. Best DC’s never stop adjusting to the adjustments being made against them. I’m sure that’s how the Mustang reared it’s ugly head. But Chavis stayed up there until A&M. He had talent there so it must have been the actual slippage that some of you paint his whole career with.
 
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Weezer said:
Not sure why so many feel the need to crap on the man. He was a good DC, and an excellent LB coach. Think of the LBs he produced at UT, many who did not start out at the position. Sure, third and Chavis still gives us nightmares, but overall, he did a pretty good job. Obviously some are forgetting the defensive units he produced at UT.
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I'm not sure it is so much not giving him credit. I think it's more that he wasn't as good as some project.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
This post is the epitome of FB IGNORANCE at its worst. BAMA, sir, doesn't run a 4-3 DEFENSE. Saban has always ran the 3-4. They copied NOTHING from Chavis!

CHAVIS NEVER ran the 3-4... He ran the 4-3 here at UT over his entire tenure as DC... The ONLY time Chavis ran a 3 man DL is in the Mustang--and that NEVER turned out too well, did it?

How many games did we lose with Chief as DC in the 4th QTR while being up by less than a TD--and the other team having one last chance to win? MEMPHIS--FLORIDA over and over--UGA--BAMA....

CRAP, if Bama would've had a better QB in '96--we would've allowed them to beat us at the end of that game. (having Leonard Little also helped at the end of that game.
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No, Bama doesn't run a 4-3, any longer. But did for quite awhile, before Pruitt. The basic theory is the same. But Bama uses 3 giant, athletic run-stoppers, from tackle to tackle, and a floating speed rusher. Four 5* LB's running everything down, to the outside. Stuff the middle, force everything wide, and let the speed and athletes run it down.
We blame Chavis for losses, but, how many times did we take our foot off of the gas, late in games, and give teams the opportunity to tie or win? Like squib kicking the damn to ball to UGA, and giving them the ball near mid-field, and 47 seconds to score. There is enough blame to go around for everybody.
Any particular reason you are so damned nasty? You need to get laid, son. Relax. Smoke some weed, or have a beer.
 
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