5* recruiting (debunked)

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1vol8 said:
Point in case is the star rankings are the likelihood of a player going pro. Not how they will effect a college program. Otherwise they wouldn't run the rankings to coincide with the NFL draft.
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No.

Again, it's not about the likelihood of going pro. It's about where they are at the moment. Top reiterate: if instead of recruiting, college teams go to draft high school players, here's the order in which we would expect them to go.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
3 star players arent just 3 stars because they failed to get publicity. Most of the time, they are 3 star players because at the time they were evaluated they weren't that good.

It's literally impossible to evaluate a guy you see right now at age 17 or 18 and say that 10 years from now he might be a pro-bowler. There is simply too much development that can happen to any player in 10 years.

These guys produce these star ratings for the college recruiting. You get a higher star if you are a player who is more ready to contribute at a high level RIGHT NOW. That's all anybody can realistically project and the only thing a college recruiter would ever care about.
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I feel like you should look up the Elite 11 qb tracker from last yr. "Weren't that good"? Idk man. You may eat those words if you do. But I know you won't because it'll be devastating to your case with that remark.
 
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1vol8 said:
Point in case is the star rankings are the likelihood of a player going pro. Not how they will effect a college program. Otherwise they wouldn't run the rankings to coincide with the NFL draft.
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How do they coincide with the NFL draft? I mean, at all? There are currently 29 5* in the 247 COMPOSITE rankings and last year's class ended up with 34 5*s but that doesn't even take into account the high 4*s that are borderline 5*s or are already 5*s on other services as well as the fact other services have different amounts of 5*s than 247 does. 247s personal service (Not composite) had 32 last year but currently only has 12 and 19 more are at a 97 ranking making them the most likely to get a 5th star .. that's only 31 and its not likely that ALL of them get their fifth star so this has NOTHING to do with the NFL draft.
 
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1vol8 said:
Point in case is the star rankings are the likelihood of a player going pro. Not how they will effect a college program. Otherwise they wouldn't run the rankings to coincide with the NFL draft.
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how likely a player is to go pro is utterly irrelevant to a college recruiter. what recruiters want to know is how can this player contribute to my program right now. That's absolutely it. Good college players aren't playing college ball for that long. So these recruiters have to go after the guys that will be developed enough to step right in as starters in their freshman and certainly by their sophomore years. Because if they truly are that good, they will bolt for the NFL before they graduate.

again, how many of those pro bowlers that were 2 and 3 star players actually make a difference on the college teams they played for? OR did they develop into good players much later and possibly after they left college?
 
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1vol8 said:
I feel like you should look up the Elite 11 qb tracker from last yr. "Weren't that good"? Idk man. You may eat those words if you do. But I know you won't because it'll be devastating to your case with that remark.
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what are ou even talking about? You are all over the road! Better stop drinking and typing.
 
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I can no longer figure out what this thread is about. It seems to have morphed into something I don't recognize.

All the consistently elite college football programs get and stay elite by recruiting the most 4 and 5 star players with very few 3 star players in each recruiting class.

That's the only relevant stat to a discussion on the accuracy of star rankings.

When a player is recruited nobody frikin cares about them going pro. They only care about what they can do for them right now.

End of discussion as far as I'm concerned.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
what are ou even talking about? You are all over the road! Better stop drinking and typing.
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He's staked his position on the fact that Brian Maurer was only rated a 3 Star and ranked around 500th overall. He's convinced that Maurer deserved better.
 
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bamawriter said:
He's staked his position on the fact that Brian Maurer was only rated a 3 Star and ranked around 500th overall. He's convinced that Maurer deserved better.
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The only way Brian Maurer will attain fame is when our inept offensive line turns him into a quadriplegic and they make a 30 for 30 about it.
 
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And on one more note, the second most reliable service is probably Rivals and they only have 25 5*s for this cycle and 30 5*s last cycle .. and obviously, there are about 100 or so 4*s on both Rivals and 247s service.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
what are ou even talking about? You are all over the road! Better stop drinking and typing.
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Never knew that existed? Ill see if I can look it up. Itll show you how many 3* qbs competed with the best in the nation. If I can screen shot it ill put it up on this quote.
 
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1vol8 said:
Never knew that existed? Ill see if I can look it up. Itll show you how many 3* qbs competed with the best in the nation. If I can screen shot it ill put it up on this quote.
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Maurer wasn't even the lowest ranked guy there this year. Zach Calzada (TAMU signee) finished a few spots behind Maurer.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
what are ou even talking about? You are all over the road! Better stop drinking and typing.
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Never knew that existed? Ill see if I can look it up. Itll show you how many 3* qbs competed with the best in the nation. If I can screen shot it ill put it up on this quote.
bamawriter said:
He's staked his position on the fact that Brian Maurer was only rated a 3 Star and ranked around 500th overall. He's convinced that Maurer deserved better.
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MWAVolfan said:
The only way Brian Maurer will attain fame is when our inept offensive line turns him into a quadriplegic and they make a 30 for 30 about it.
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That's a pos thing to say. Any man or woman posts something like that in reguards to a kid is a waste of oxygen. You should be ashamed of yourself
 
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bamawriter said:
Maurer wasn't even the lowest ranked guy there this year. Zach Calzada (TAMU signee) finished a few spots behind Maurer.
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Im done. You guys turned this into some really dark s***. You have your opinion, I have mine. Simple as that
 
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bamawriter said:
Maurer wasn't even the lowest ranked guy there this year. Zach Calzada (TAMU signee) finished a few spots behind Maurer.
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And Zack didn't make it to the opening. BM was the lowest ranked there. And once again next time you talk to the guy you know ask him what really happened. You may be surprised if he doesnt lie to you.
 
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1vol8 said:
Im done. You guys turned this into some really dark s***. You have your opinion, I have mine. Simple as that
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Whoa, hang out sport. I didn't say a single negative word about any player on any team. MWA made a harsh comment in response to me, but don't go lumping me in with that sentiment.
 
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1vol8 said:
And Zack didn't make it to the opening. BM was the lowest ranked there. And once again next time you talk to the guy you know ask him what really happened. You may be surprised if he doesnt lie to you.
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What really happened when? You mentioned the Elite 11, and I pointed out that Maurer wasn't the lowest ranked guy there. Then you switched to the Opening. I'm not sure what it is that you're getting at.

Your entire argument has been based upon conjecture and unverifiable events surrounding Maurer. I've chosen not to press you on those, because I don't want to give the impression that I'm critical of a kid that I don't know personally and about whom I know very little.
 
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bamawriter said:
Whoa, hang out sport. I didn't say a single negative word about any player on any team. MWA made a harsh comment in response to me, but don't go lumping me in with that sentiment.
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Sounds more like an attempt to change the subject to me .. I think we should change the name of the thread to "5* Recruiting .. It still helps out a lot!"
 
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bamawriter said:
Whoa, hang out sport. I didn't say a single negative word about any player on any team. MWA made a harsh comment in response to me, but don't go lumping me in with that sentiment.
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I was looking at it as a conversation between us all. I realize it was him. No hard felling with you at all. Im just done with this particular conversation.
 
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bamawriter said:
What really happened when? You mentioned the Elite 11, and I pointed out that Maurer wasn't the lowest ranked guy there. Then you switched to the Opening. I'm not sure what it is that you're getting at.

Your entire argument has been based upon conjecture and unverifiable events surrounding Maurer. I've chosen not to press you on those, because I don't want to give the impression that I'm critical of a kid that I don't know personally and about whom I know very little.
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The Elite 11 consists of the top 24 qbs. They all battle it out in front of REAL qb gurus for the right to become one of the Elite 11. Once the Elite 11 is decided they join a pool of all the best athletes in nation to form what's known as The Opening. So basicly the Elite 11 qbs face the best defenses that they can possibly muster up

Ive explained to you before that Maurer is just the one I know the most about and his journey fits everything this debate is about. Ive tried to be very careful not to make this about one player but now we are directly talking about him as an individual.
When I brought up the elite 11 qb tracker you didn't have to call me out on BM. I was simply offering actual numbers of ALL the qbs. People here being UT fans will automatically look and compare BM to the rest.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
The only way Brian Maurer will attain fame is when our inept offensive line turns him into a quadriplegic and they make a 30 for 30 about it.
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OL's improve. This one should average 30+ lbs heavier this year than last.

The OL alone isn't what has gotten JG beaten up. JG bears part of that.

Maurer did some things well instinctively in the O&W game that JG hasn't mastered in 4 years of CFB. BM stepped up in the pocket a few times and "felt pressure" to move in the pocket. That makes protection easier for an OL. He also made some good judgments on when to run.
 
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TDawg said:
Sounds more like an attempt to change the subject to me .. I think we should change the name of the thread to "5* Recruiting .. It still helps out a lot!"
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Why would I want to change the subject when I created it? Its people like MWA that take things too far and I simply don't want to be a part of it.
 
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