2020 Presidential Race

[LouderVol]

In theory, that should be true but as a practical matter it's not. The most populous state is California and yet, Trump has not only never campaigned there (and I don't blame him for that) but he has also only even been there twice since taking office. He waited 417 days into his presidency to visit California for the first time. I think it's safe to say that he won't be spending any time there next year either.

He visited/spoke there 8 times during primaries and spent the last week before general there. So yeah he didnt campaign there during the general.he has spent a good bit of time there campaigning.

 

[BowlBrother85]

He visited/spoke there 8 times during primaries and spent the last week before general there. So yeah he didnt campaign there during the general.he has spent a good bit of time there campaigning.

Yes, I meant in the general. Now, you really can't credibly argue that he hasn't ignored our nation's largest state since taking office. That primarily has to do with the fact that he lost California to Hillary Clinton by 4.3 million votes.

 

[volfanjustin]

I am wondering how the Steele dossier fits in to the argument. Foreign spy provides opposition research which feeds into an investigation. Seems like all type of foreign involvement.

and keep in mind they actually paid for the dossier, which should be much more serious than taking a meeting

 

[1972 Grad]

Yes, I meant in the general. Now, you really can't credibly argue that he hasn't ignored our nation's largest state since taking office. That primarily has to do with the fact that he lost California to Hillary Clinton by 4.3 million votes.

Either your public school education didn't teach subtraction, or you are dyslexic.
7,362,490 minus 3,916,209 equals 3,446,281. That proves how many f*****g fruitcakes and voters that sh!t in the street live in California.

 

[LouderVol]

Yes, I meant in the general. Now, you really can't credibly argue that he hasn't ignored our nation's largest state since taking office. That primarily has to do with the fact that he lost California to Hillary Clinton by 4.3 million votes.

And he probably should visit them. I bet there are any number of states he hasnt been too at all. Looking at the general it looks like he didnt hit up about 10 or more states including TN.

It's bad business. But he still represents them. That's why all the partisan crap ticks me off. He's the president, just like the next dem president will be the rednecks president. It's amazing to me we have let it become so bad to get divided up so strongly.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Either your public school education didn't teach subtraction, or you are dyslexic.
7,362,490 minus 3,916,209 equals 3,446,281. That proves how many f*****g fruitcakes and voters that sh!t in the street live in California.

Per Ballotpedia: Popular vote in California in the 2016 Presidential General Election.

Hillary Clinton: 8,753,788
Donald Trump: 4,483,810

That is a spread in favor of Clinton of 4,269,978. I rounded up to get to 4.3 million. I suspect that the numbers you cited came from Politico which never saw the need to update their tally to include absentee ballots. Now, my public school education includes Knox County Schools and the University of Tennessee (Knoxville) ... and yes, we did cover basic math.

 

[LouderVol]

Per Ballotpedia: Popular vote in California in the 2016 Presidential General Election.

Hillary Clinton: 8,753,788
Donald Trump: 4,483,810

That is a spread in favor of Clinton of 4,269,978. I rounded up to get to 4.3 million. I suspect that the numbers you cited came from Politico which never saw the need to update their tally to include absentee ballots. Now, my public school education includes Knox County Schools and the University of Tennessee (Knoxville) ... and yes, we did cover basic math.

There were 2 million absentee ballots? Is that normal? Some rounding on my part too

 

[Franklin Pierce]

 

[BowlBrother85]

There were 2 million absentee ballots? Is that normal? Some rounding on my part too

Yes, that is our largest state after all ... but again, the numbers I used are from Ballotpedia and were certified by the California Secretary of State.

 

[LouderVol]

Just looked it up. More than 20% of total votes were absentee or by mail.

Holy crap, 16 states had more than 50% of voting done early, by mail, or absentee. Including 100% in Oregon? This sounds suspiciously made up. No one was at the polls at all on election day in the whole state of Oregon? Washington was also up at 98 percent. What are those Pacific northwesterners doing?

Reading up more them and Colorado are vote by mail states, so it sounds like there are legit no polls. I wonder how that applies to the voter suppression argument?

I just got my mind blown abit, I legit didnt know this existed.

 

[1972 Grad]

Per Ballotpedia: Popular vote in California in the 2016 Presidential General Election.

Hillary Clinton: 8,753,788
Donald Trump: 4,483,810

That is a spread in favor of Clinton of 4,269,978. I rounded up to get to 4.3 million. I suspect that the numbers you cited came from Politico which never saw the need to update their tally to include absentee ballots. Now, my public school education includes Knox County Schools and the University of Tennessee (Knoxville) ... and yes, we did cover basic math.

Got mine from Politico. I guess that means there were 1.4 million more fruitcakes and people that sh!t in the street than I realized.

 

[RavinDave]

Here's the scary part, as stupid as Biden is he is probably the least scariest of their candidates. He is pretty funny though, almost an 80 year old dude trying to act cool and wear shades. He looks frail like he's skeletors cousin.

"frail" does describe my impressions of him at his advanced age... Geritol Joe.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

There were 2 million absentee ballots? Is that normal? Some rounding on my part too

I'm sure many were long dead

 

[BreatheUT]

And he probably should visit them. I bet there are any number of states he hasnt been too at all. Looking at the general it looks like he didnt hit up about 10 or more states including TN.

It's bad business. But he still represents them. That's why all the partisan crap ticks me off. He's the president, just like the next dem president will be the rednecks president. It's amazing to me we have let it become so bad to get divided up so strongly.

It's pretty sad really. The USA is like two different countries today. Used to you could disagree about how we get to a solution but there were mainly good intentions on both sides. Today the political correctness, the social justice warriors and fanatics have damaged this country and tried to take over to where something major is going to have to change for this to feel like one country if ever again. Talks of socialism, open terrorist sympathizers in government, open admission to not upholding laws, the labeling of the police as villains and that is just a few. The country will eventually not stand under it's own weight in my opinion.

 

[1972 Grad]

I'm sure many were long dead

I was disappointed to find out that an old friend of mine voted for a Democrat. He never would have done that when he was alive.

 

[LouderVol]

It's pretty sad really. The USA is like two different countries today. Used to you could disagree about how we get to a solution but there were mainly good intentions on both sides. Today the political correctness, the social justice warriors and fanatics have damaged this country and tried to take over to where something major is going to have to change for this to feel like one country if ever again. Talks of socialism, open terrorist sympathizers in government, open admission to not upholding laws, the labeling of the police as villains and that is just a few. The country will eventually not stand under it's own weight in my opinion.

The two party system is killing us. Make candidates run on their own merit. What are they afraid of?

 

[McDad]

The two party system is killing us. Make candidates run on their own merit. What are they afraid of?

They are afraid, rightfully so, they have no merit.

 

[tvolsfan]

Just looked it up. More than 20% of total votes were absentee or by mail.

Holy crap, 16 states had more than 50% of voting done early, by mail, or absentee. Including 100% in Oregon? This sounds suspiciously made up. No one was at the polls at all on election day in the whole state of Oregon? Washington was also up at 98 percent. What are those Pacific northwesterners doing?

Reading up more them and Colorado are vote by mail states, so it sounds like there are legit no polls. I wonder how that applies to the voter suppression argument?

I just got my mind blown abit, I legit didnt know this existed.

I voted by mail in Ohio.

 

[tvolsfan]

It's pretty sad really. The USA is like two different countries today. Used to you could disagree about how we get to a solution but there were mainly good intentions on both sides. Today the political correctness, the social justice warriors and fanatics have damaged this country and tried to take over to where something major is going to have to change for this to feel like one country if ever again. Talks of socialism, open terrorist sympathizers in government, open admission to not upholding laws, the labeling of the police as villains and that is just a few. The country will eventually not stand under it's own weight in my opinion.

Yes, we should see if the US is the first country to split up over hurt feelings and tantrums.

 

[LouderVol]

I voted by mail in Ohio.

I knew voting via mail was a thing. I didnt realize that voting only via mail was a thing.

 

[volfanjustin]

I voted by mail in Ohio.

Is John Kasich's dad your postman?

 

[AM64]

Yes, I meant in the general. Now, you really can't credibly argue that he hasn't ignored our nation's largest state since taking office. That primarily has to do with the fact that he lost California to Hillary Clinton by 4.3 million votes.

Does it really matter when someone campaigns during silly season? I'm sure the TV commercials and ads are non-stop pretty much everywhere.

Trump wasn't going to win in CA even if he visited there every day; there are counties he would/will carry, but they aren't the ones that count. No way Trump would carry SF or LA or most of their surrounding counties. In fact, almost the entire coastline is a safe democrat vote, and not so many people live in the desert region. The better strategy is to keep a presence there and work the other places that can pay off ... especially if they are feeling disenfranchised by the opposition's policies.

CA is the place where Antifa keeps conservatives from speaking. AZ and CA were the places where protesters tried to keep Trump from speaking.

 

[AM64]

Yes, we should see if the US is the first country to split up over hurt feelings and tantrums.

That's the problem. It's not an east/west, north/south, or other geographical divide. It's a split generally between the large metropolitan areas and everyone else ... not something that could be settled by secession this time. The biggest change to reduce the heat would be for the federal government to back down and let the individual states handle most things ... as was originally intended. That way Colorado can do things one way, Maine another, and Tennessee differently. Let the feds take care of defense (as congress decides), let the feds handle interstate commerce (like standardizing roads etc so that commerce can travel across all the states, but let the states decide much of the stuff that everyone is arguing over.

Your "hurt feelings and temper tantrums" are the feds trying to cram irregularly shaped pegs into what they see as standard receptacles. The result is nobody is happy or feels like a winner.

 

[BigOrangeD]

This will not hurt Trump's chances in 2020.

 

[tvolsfan]

That's the problem. It's not an east/west, north/south, or other geographical divide. It's a split generally between the large metropolitan areas and everyone else ... not something that could be settled by secession this time. The biggest change to reduce the heat would be for the federal government to back down and let the individual states handle most things ... as was originally intended. That way Colorado can do things one way, Maine another, and Tennessee differently. Let the feds take care of defense (as congress decides), let the feds handle interstate commerce (like standardizing roads etc so that commerce can travel across all the states, but let the states decide much of the stuff that everyone is arguing over.

Your "hurt feelings and temper tantrums" are the feds trying to cram irregularly shaped pegs into what they see as standard receptacles. The result is nobody is happy or feels like a winner.

Even at the state level, there’s no way to divide the country without an enormous amount of people feeling like they’re in the wrong one. And what about when their views change? When their kids have different views? The split fantasies aren’t about solving problems. It’s about finding a way to ignore the ones you don’t like talking about.

Countries have split along religious, ethnic, and cultural lines in the past. There isn’t a way to divide the USA along those lines. I’ve yet to see a reason for a split or anything a split would solve.