At least 12 deaths and several injuries at Virginia Beach municipal complex, police say; shooter also dead: reports

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InVOLuntary said:
You can't go by videos. It doesn't accurately depict the sound. Have you used one? I own one and I can tell you it's loud. I was disappointed that it was as loud as it was when I purchased mine. And then there's the issue of ammunition. If you don't use ammunition on the lower velocity scale, the round will break the sound barrier and make a loud clap with a Sonic boom. 45 acp is easier than most to aquire subsonic ammunition though as it's such a big heavy round. Regardless,it's loud.
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I have used one and use them often. There is a distinct difference in the sound made by a regular(non suppressed / silenced) weapon and a suppressed / silenced weapon.
 
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Fun coupon VOL said:
I have used one and use them often. There is a distinct difference in the sound made by a regular(non suppressed / silenced) weapon and a suppressed / silenced weapon.
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I know there is a a difference. If there wasn't a difference there would not be suppressors. The point is they are still very loud.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
I think you can read the tweet and get what it means. Gun free zone. Yet that happens every weekend. My point is law abiding citizens aren't doing the killing, thugs are. And by thugs I mean white, black, brown, pink, purple etc.
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No.

The constant references to chicago crime are always, always, always, about race.
 
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Fun coupon VOL said:
Jesus are you serious? I can walk in to a mall with a silenced weapon and do a lot more damage than a weapon without. If the person is trained(most are not) they could cherry pick victims to where you wouldn’t know what was happening for at least a minute.
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Ban deaf people?
 
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Our SRT has suppressed 5.56 and .308 weapons. The 5.56's are AR's, and we have two M/O teams with the .308. So I hear them at least 4 times a year at Weapons Quals. Going back to when I could run with the herd, I carried a suppressed H&K MP5N, and then a suppressed M4. I might not be an expert, but I definitely know what they sound like. That being said, by far the quietest was the MP5N. The action cycling made as much noise as the shot. The M4 makes a short, quick "whistle pop", and has a supersonic round, which is a noise that cannot be suppressed. Same goes with the .308; it still makes a pretty loud pop when you fire it. And this is at an outdoor range. Indoors, I could zero in on any of those guns (except maybe the H&K) fairly quickly. The real problem would be the echos bouncing off of walls. Indoors, you are taught to look for dust from the muzzle blast when narrowing down a shooters location.

I've never fired a suppressed pistol, but I would guess that a suppressed .45 is quiet, but still audible a good distance away. Forget about what you see in the movies. Only a suppressed .22 is that quiet. Well, that and an MP5N.

There are posters here who have suppressed weapons. They know what a suppressor will, and won't do.

All that being said, my guess would be that the chaos in the immediate vicinity of an active shooter...suppressor or not...would eliminate any "cherry picking" after the first shots. Humans are sight-hunters. They react quicker to what they see than to any other stimulus.

One of the "rules" of ASR is run towards the people that are running, then when you don't see anyone running, slow down and start your sweep. Deliberate movement when you don't hear shots; dynamic movement when you do.

I wasn't there, but it sounds to me like the VBPD folks who responded took the fight to the bad guy. Good for them. Takes balls; big ones.

And yet another reason for those who can legally carried concealed to do so.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No.

The constant references to chicago crime are always, always, always, about race.
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Only in the lefts minds. The free thinkers of the world can clearly see that it the crime in Chicago is all about the dirty liberal politics of their history and gun free zones.

Be better than that
 
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lawgator1 said:
No.

The constant references to chicago crime are always, always, always, about race.
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lawgator1 said:
Just go ahead and blame black on black gun violence. We know that is what you mean. Right wingers dressing this up as a Dem vs. GOP issue is just not fooling anybody.
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I'm not sure what you are getting at but the crime in Chicago is disturbing. The city has the worst crime in the country. Mostly illegal gun violence of downtrodden and eroded communities. The twisted mind of your politics cannot deny that. Oh but these are mostly black on black so the liberals don't think that's important.

Heck, the rise in crime in Nashville is disturbing.

You make it sound as though violent crime is a given and part of the natural order for cleansing. An acceptable level of innocent lives that are part of the sacrifice.

Chicago needs solutions from their local government but I'm not sure all involved care and it's so rampant. Education, jobs, greater emphasis on family, more importance placed on working with the police department including an increase in salary to incentivise dealing with that mess and the police working closer and gaining the trust of the community. Several big cities are losing in this arena, (1) because of the size of the community and (2) Democrat policies have failed big. We see where a city like Nashville is still growing but underneath it all it is getting uglier with budget shortfalls, etc.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No.

The constant references to chicago crime are always, always, always, about race.
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To Democrats it is. The biggest fact that has nothing to do with race is that Chicago is a gun free zone (for law abiding citizens) yet has the highest shooting rate in the country.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Our SRT has suppressed 5.56 and .308 weapons. The 5.56's are AR's, and we have two M/O teams with the .308. So I hear them at least 4 times a year at Weapons Quals. Going back to when I could run with the herd, I carried a suppressed H&K MP5N, and then a suppressed M4. I might not be an expert, but I definitely know what they sound like. That being said, by far the quietest was the MP5N. The action cycling made as much noise as the shot. The M4 makes a short, quick "whistle pop", and has a supersonic round, which is a noise that cannot be suppressed. Same goes with the .308; it still makes a pretty loud pop when you fire it. And this is at an outdoor range. Indoors, I could zero in on any of those guns (except maybe the H&K) fairly quickly. The real problem would be the echos bouncing off of walls. Indoors, you are taught to look for dust from the muzzle blast when narrowing down a shooters location.

I've never fired a suppressed pistol, but I would guess that a suppressed .45 is quiet, but still audible a good distance away. Forget about what you see in the movies. Only a suppressed .22 is that quiet. Well, that and an MP5N.

There are posters here who have suppressed weapons. They know what a suppressor will, and won't do.

All that being said, my guess would be that the chaos in the immediate vicinity of an active shooter...suppressor or not...would eliminate any "cherry picking" after the first shots. Humans are sight-hunters. They react quicker to what they see than to any other stimulus.

One of the "rules" of ASR is run towards the people that are running, then when you don't see anyone running, slow down and start your sweep. Deliberate movement when you don't hear shots; dynamic movement when you do.

I wasn't there, but it sounds to me like the VBPD folks who responded took the fight to the bad guy. Good for them. Takes balls; big ones.

And yet another reason for those who can legally carried concealed to do so.
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I’m no expert by any means but I would hazard a guess that discharging two .45 Cal. Pistols inside a building multiple times would be hard to “ silence “ .
 
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It started with a "pop, pop, pop."

Dewar thought the sound was a nail gun. Her building was undergoing renovations, after all. But three people ran into her office on the second floor saying, “Active shooter, active shooter. Get out of the building.”

The sound of gunshots were muffled because the gunman used a silencer. Dewar now believes that cost her and others precious minutes to escape or hide.
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This was from shortly after the shooting.

Read the entire article though for at least a ray of hope in people.

Keith Cox died trying to save co-workers. A survivor shares what happened.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No.

The constant references to chicago crime are always, always, always, about race.
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Color has no baring on passing judgement on the actions of individuals who chose to act the way they do. The constant references to crime on Chicago are always about the crime in Chicago. Happens to be crimes committed by blacks.

Reality is, the vast majority of crime in Chicago happens in the same area's over and over, that are predominantly black, poor, and involve drugs, gangs, or money. Reality. Not a perceived notion of racial hatred, just the reality that they live there, they survive there, and that's their environment. The facts are what they are. Go read every police report on every murder, want to take guess about how many involve drugs, gangs, or money.....

These kids killing each other don't see race, they see respect, they see dollars, they see survival. Reality. Ain't that difficult and ain't no grand racial conspiracy you race baiting racist.
 
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