'20 TX QB Haynes King (TAMU Commit)

[VOLUNTEERSZN]

No, actually they signed another top QB in 2019...

Taisun Phommachanh, 2019 Dual-threat quarterback - Rivals.com

Great teams are stockpiling elite QB's, at least 1 a year. Tennessee is playing catch up and has a new OC in charge who didn't recruit most or all of the guys we have. Not sure why its so difficult for you to understand that maybe Chaney wants two good QB's in 2020 and the reasons why that is a smart move.

Kesling better be happy we didn’t sign that guy

 

[butchna]

No, actually they signed another top QB in 2019...

Taisun Phommachanh, 2019 Dual-threat quarterback - Rivals.com

Great teams are stockpiling elite QB's, at least 1 a year. Tennessee is playing catch up and has a new OC in charge who didn't recruit most or all of the guys we have. Not sure why its so difficult for you to understand that maybe Chaney wants two good QB's in 2020 and the reasons why that is a smart move.

Key word maybe. I understand your mentality with no difficulty...simply disagree. If it ends up being the prevailing wisdom, I won’t be Leb’ing it up on here in dissent. That Phommachanh has basically been recruited over in your synopsis...so a higher rated Maurer or Shrout and only ONE in that class. So not sure what point you landed with that.

 

[Catbone]

Voice of reason

It's a tough job, but someone has to do it around here.

 

[Ron Swanson]

You have proven your point...@butchna will not see reason...you are right

True. I'll move on. GBO

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

Bottom line is with a LOS and a very good QB, your not going to win much at all. We have been suppar on Qb's for awhile now. Dobbs was adequate and a love Dobbs but he was average in consistent passing, he had a lot of drops too. But besides Dobbs we haven't had a championship winning Qb in quite a while. GBO!

 

[WhatInVolnation]

Look, if UT can stockpile Harrison Bailey and Haynes King in the same class and add another one or two in 2021 and add another one or two in 2022 and so on and so forth, I am all for it. I think a Bailey v. King v. Shrout v. Maurer 2021 QB battle would be awesome. My concern was the potential for losing an elite talent like Bailey if he wasn't on board with bringing a guy like King in as the second QB commit. If Bailey and King are ready to duke it out, c'mon up and let's do this thing and let's get ready to take on UGA, Bama, and Clemson in two or so years.

 

[Jack Burton]

Our coaches like to play with fire. Could get burned here.

 

[SLICKYINC]

 

[DaddyChad]

Honestly if Bailey knows we’re recruiting another QB and has said it’s not a problem then it shouldn’t be a problem. If it is then he wasn’t true to his word. If that’s the case well we had no good reason to believe he was going to be part of the class anyways. You recruit Bailey alone and then lose him for whatever reason and you haven’t recruited King then what.

Try to land them both, be honest with them both and let the chips fall where they may. The two don’t seem scared of competition and if they are they will not make it an elite school anyways.

 

[secking]

If you can sign a top tier QB, you do. If you can sign two, you do. Competition breeds excellence. If you have 4-5 QB's and 1-2 transfer, oh well, recruit more QB's in the next class. Doesn't hurt Clemson, Bama and UGA when they do just that. Why can't we?

Jim Chaney is now in charge of the offense. Did he recruit any of our current QB's on the roster? Did he recruit Bailey to UGA? Maybe Jim wants King more than any other QB we have. Maybe he wants Bailey and King. The fact he started following multiple QB's in the 2020 class on twitter the week he was hired is a pretty good indication he's QB hunting.

Chaney didn’t like Bailey while at UGA, has that changed? Idk

It is true that ideally you recruit one QB a year, him being the face of the class. Recruiting QBs has always been fickle, they are easily offended (moreso today). With that said, the days of one per class may be over due to the portal, good QBs aren’t going to wait their turn. Heck, Fla QB left before summer after arriving in January. Only one can be the QB, so I think the QB merry go round has only begun.

 

[CAVPUT]

Throws a nice ball. Good touch. Seems decisive and very mobile. Think I read that he's a coaches son so that's another plus. Would be happy to get this one.

 

[804VOL]

Chaney didn’t like Bailey while at UGA, has that changed? Idk

It is true that ideally you recruit one QB a year, him being the face of the class. Recruiting QBs has always been fickle, they are easily offended (moreso today). With that said, the days of one per class may be over due to the portal, good QBs aren’t going to wait their turn. Heck, Fla QB left before summer after arriving in January. Only one can be the QB, so I think the QB merry go round has only begun.

If you're referring to Jalon Jones, I believe he left due to the sexual battery allegations. Kid is from my area so will be interesting to see where he ends up and who is willing to take a chance on him.

 

[secking]

If you're referring to Jalon Jones, I believe he left due to the sexual battery allegations. Kid is from my area so will be interesting to see where he ends up and who is willing to take a chance on him.

Isn’t AU always first choice? Interesting that he left Fla, notice he wasn’t told to leave.

 

[1vol8]

So I've done some research on this new target qb, Haynes King. Let me start by saying hes a really good looking qb. Hes definitely got wheels. He looks very accurate. He put up really good numbers and rightfully so. But....... yes theres a but. Pump the brakes (some of you that may have said "I like him over HB"). Understand that this opinion was formed based on highlight film (there's a reason highlights exist. Best plays only) and stats alone.
Yes he put up really good numbers but he also played behind a line that gave him an average of 4 seconds. That's not Tennessee.

They are 2018 state champions with a 16-0 record which tells me they are solid at every position and probably loaded with elite D1 talent. That's not what Tennessee is nor will it be for several more yrs.

He only threw the ball an average of (iirc) 18 times a game. A hs team runs an average of 55 plays a game. There's a reason, that we don't know, why they didn't throw that often because that is far from even a balanced attack and more importantly from our point of view, he's not shown he can "carry" the team if needed (not suggesting he couldn't, there's simply no evidence.. ..... sort of).

I know he's a coach's son but imo his mechanics are on point while rolling out but flawed from the pocket.

Although his numbers are clearly impressive there are 5 games that he completed under 59% and there were a few that he completed over 80%. To give him his average of 69% for the yr. That tells me you don't know what you're going to get from wk to wk.

He threw for over 4000 yrds while only throwing 4 ints and rushed for another 600. As impressive as that is, take into consideration he played 16 games and we have a "3*" qb that threw for 3500+ , and also rushed for over 600 in 10 games on a team with no running game. If you add 6 more games to his senior season at his average he paases for nearly 7000 yrds and rushes for 950. Kind of puts things into perspective.

The point is RELAX. These qbs are ranked more off of their overall teams success rather than their individual skillsets. They ARE NOT compared against one another to determine which one is better despite what some may think. They simply have to be able to take advantage of what a def is giving them and any D1 qb can do that. Give me a guy that fits this team rather than a guy that boosts the recruiting ranking because stars dont mean crap after hs. HB and King are both great qbs. They are just simply different.

 

[BigBadVol]

I’m confused.

 

[1vol8]

I’m confused.

What's confusing? I may have ti fix something

 

[Jack Burton]

So I've done some research on this new target qb, Haynes King. Let me start by saying hes a really good looking qb. Hes definitely got wheels. He looks very accurate. He put up really good numbers and rightfully so. But....... yes theres a but. Pump the brakes (some of you that may have said "I like him over HB"). Understand that this opinion was formed based on highlight film (there's a reason highlights exist. Best plays only) and stats alone.
Yes he put up really good numbers but he also played behind a line that gave him an average of 4 seconds. That's not Tennessee.

They are 2018 state champions with a 16-0 record which tells me they are solid at every position and probably loaded with elite D1 talent. That's not what Tennessee is nor will it be for several more yrs.

He only threw the ball an average of (iirc) 18 times a game. A hs team runs an average of 55 plays a game. There's a reason, that we don't know, why they didn't throw that often because that is far from even a balanced attack and more importantly from our point of view, he's not shown he can "carry" the team if needed (not suggesting he couldn't, there's simply no evidence.. ..... sort of).

I know he's a coach's son but imo his mechanics are on point while rolling out but flawed from the pocket.

Although his numbers are clearly impressive there are 5 games that he completed under 59% and there were a few that he completed over 80%. To give him his average of 69% for the yr. That tells me you don't know what you're going to get from wk to wk.

He threw for over 4000 yrds while only throwing 4 ints and rushed for another 600. As impressive as that is, take into consideration he played 16 games and we have a "3*" qb that threw for 3500+ , and also rushed for over 600 in 10 games on a team with no running game. If you add 6 more games to his senior season at his average he paases for nearly 7000 yrds and rushes for 950. Kind of puts things into perspective.

The point is RELAX. These qbs are ranked more off of their overall teams success rather than their individual skillsets. They ARE NOT compared against one another to determine which one is better despite what some may think. They simply have to be able to take advantage of what a def is giving them and any D1 qb can do that. Give me a guy that fits this team rather than a guy that boosts the recruiting ranking because stars dont mean crap after hs. HB and King are both great qbs. They are just simply different.

Do you want HB or King or is our QB of the future on campus already?

 

[1vol8]

Do you want HB or King or is our QB of the future on campus already?

I personally feel like he's already there but being overlooked by the fan base. Although that's not what this is about. I posted this to let people draw their own conclusions.

 

[Jack Burton]

I personally feel like he's already there but being overlooked by the fan base. Although that's not what this is about. I posted this to let people draw their own conclusions.

An interesting nugget of info emerges.

I don’t know who is better among the 2020 guys but I think the coaches are playing with fire by going after 2 high profile guys in the same class.

 

[1vol8]

An interesting nugget of info emerges.

I don’t know who is better among the 2020 guys but I think the coaches are playing with fire by going after 2 high profile guys in the same class.[/QUOTE
Im not sure I understand what you mean by "nugget" but this thread has nothing to do with opinions on one vs the other. This is about 2020 and I do have to agree they are paying with fire. The reference about the 3* was to support my point about how qbs are ranked and how their teams success mean more than individual skillsets.

 

[KBVol]

If you can sign a top tier QB, you do. If you can sign two, you do. Competition breeds excellence. If you have 4-5 QB's and 1-2 transfer, oh well, recruit more QB's in the next class. Doesn't hurt Clemson, Bama and UGA when they do just that. Why can't we?

Jim Chaney is now in charge of the offense. Did he recruit any of our current QB's on the roster? Did he recruit Bailey to UGA? Maybe Jim wants King more than any other QB we have. Maybe he wants Bailey and King. The fact he started following multiple QB's in the 2020 class on twitter the week he was hired is a pretty good indication he's QB hunting.

While I agree with this, this isn’t why I responded to you earlier post about Tennessee “needing to take 2 QBs” this cycle. Makes it sound like a numbers issue....and I contend that if they do take 2, at least 1, maybe 2 QBs currently on our roster will transfer, and then your numbers are right where they were (or worse) before you took 2 QBs.

I’m just trying to understand why we “need” two QBs in this class. Getting Harrison and Haynes in this class would be great, certainly not against it, perhaps it upgrades us at the position compared to Shrout and Maurer, and that’s the “need”.....although I haven’t gotten the sense that anybody thinks the coaches are not pleased with what they have in those two, especially Maurer.

Anywho, no big deal, let’s see how it plays out.

 

[chargervol]

What's confusing? I may have ti fix something

Probably that you posted this in the FF. And your comments targeted what people in the RF have been discussing and haven't been said over here. So many don't know anything about it..

my guess anyway.

 

[1vol8]

An interesting nugget of info emerges.

I don’t know who is better among the 2020 guys but I think the coaches are playing with fire by going after 2 high profile guys in the same class.

No nugget. The 3* referenced was to support how qbs are ranked and how team success has more to do with their ranking than individual skillsets. In other words don't be fooled thinking they all are compared to one another individually.

I do agree they are playing with fire. Then again they were up front in saying they wanted 2 in 2020. Given the fact that there was no question with HB prior to King I would've had to think twice about going after another highly ranked qb. Although this could be just a message to Bailey not to get too comfortable because he still has to compete.

 

[1vol8]

Probably that you posted this in the FF. And your comments targeted what people in the RF have been discussing and haven't been said over here. So many don't know anything about it..

my guess anyway.

Didn't realize it was any secret. If so my bad..... if I had known that I would've headlined it as a spoiler alert

 

[SSVol]

While I agree with this, this isn’t why I responded to you earlier post about Tennessee “needing to take 2 QBs” this cycle. Makes it sound like a numbers issue....and I contend that if they do take 2, at least 1, maybe 2 QBs currently on our roster will transfer, and then your numbers are right where they were (or worse) before you took 2 QBs.

I’m just trying to understand why we “need” two QBs in this class. Getting Harrison and Haynes in this class would be great, certainly not against it, perhaps it upgrades us at the position compared to Shrout and Maurer, and that’s the “need”.....although I haven’t gotten the sense that anybody thinks the coaches are not pleased with what they have in those two, especially Maurer.

Anywho, no big deal, let’s see how it plays out.

Taking the best available who are willing to come just increases the odds of finding the next great QB. Given the roll a QB plays in the success of the team, it seems kinda dumb that we would even debate the merits of granting the coaches our approval to pursue the path they have chosen.