Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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Sleegro said:
I would rather expand the playoffs incorporating the few bowls that are actually worth it and get rid of all the other crap bowls. The playoffs didn't ruin bowls. Having too many bowls diluted their value. Why should a 500 team earn a bowl? Sometimes teams with losing records get in. We don't need 50 bowls.
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jmo but with mass tv coverage came $$$ and that led to expansion. Unlikely to go backwards now unless college football as a whole takes a hit.

The truth is, it would seem, people are watching even the worst bowls enough to keep them profitable for the organizers. Money is the bottom line.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I'm starting to believe CFB is a lost cause. Who wants to follow this crap when all the best kids are like lemmings and basically pile up like logs at 3-4 schools leaving everybody else with little chance of actually competing for a NC? It is discouraging.
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Cyclical man. Used to be Nebraska and Miami. They suck now. Sign me up for 2021 season tix. We are coming.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Only thing that baffles me about Evans kid...his top 5 are Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Ohio State and Oklahoma.

He claims that he sees all 5 as title contenders each year too. I wouldn't disagree with Alabama or Georgia...even Oklahoma. But Ohio State (without Urban) and LSU as title contenders each season?

LSU over Texas or even A&M...not sure I get that one.
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Not sure who you reference. Defense or offense?

Defense...hell yeah I'd go play for LSU. Offense...HELL NO. That is such a garbage offense they run you'd have to be...dumber than a kid from D.C. to go there.
 
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Devo182 said:
Not sure who you reference. Defense or offense?

Defense...hell yeah I'd go play for LSU. Offense...HELL NO. That is such a garbage offense they run you'd have to be...dumber than a kid from D.C. to go there.
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Lsu is a very good option for running backs.
 
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Devo182 said:
Agree there, didn't know what position he played. They do love their old school "workhorse" runners.
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He's probably the best rb this cycle. He would fit perfectly there. Wish we could get him but that ain't happening. Seems like Alabama or Georgia but LSU would be the closest to home for him. Just basing that off what they talk about on the radio here in Austin lately. They thought he was a lock to Texas but not even in his top 5.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
You're all right, it doesn't matter what school...if you're a top level talent.


But it's also their decision to make plenty of 5 stars have been "stupid" teenagers and gone to Bama or Georgia and are making millions of dollars in the NFL now. Who cares? Only recruits that I care about are the ones that come to UT, beyond that pick where ya wanna go it's likely the most important decision you'll make as a HS athlete.

Like the HS basketball player going to New Zealand instead of college, people are all kinds of torn up about how he's "ruining" his career etc. Him and his family get at least 1 year paid to live in arguably one of the most beautiful countries in the world...and he's 18, sounds like a pretty amazing opportunity to me. If he has great numbers then once he's eligible for the NBA draft teams will be interested.
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I have a hard time reconciling this with staffs like Butch's, USC's, UCLA's, FSU, pre-Herman Texas staff, etc that have done poorly at developing even elite players into NFL talent. Meanwhile OU, Clemson, etc take similar recruiting classes and develop them into NFL players. I think we have to account for player development, even for the most elite players. Hell, OSU was #1 in the team talent ranking composite last year (recruiting talent left on each roster (post-attrition))...yet they gave up 26 PPG last year and lost to Purdue by 4 TDs. Won't ever see that from a Dabo team. jmo

I get McGill's point to self-fulfilling prophecies...there's certainly plenty of that for sure and I used to mention that quite often in reference to Bama. But even among the top recruiting teams there is separation in how well they develop guys into NFL draftees. I used to question Bama's selling point, but I've seen enough data to believe they are developing even the most elite players at a top-top level, along with Clemson & OU. OSU, USC, FSU recently - not so much.

I just could not have honestly told a 5* kid in 2017...hey, Butch can you get to the NFL just as well as Saban can. I couldn't.
 
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chargervol said:
Hehehe. I'm literally looking at Alabama,Georgia and Troy on 1 line. Bet Troy pulls it off.
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According to his Twitter he's a 2022 recruit. Maybe that's why he released a top 22.? Also explains the wide range of offers a little. Silly tweet but maybe it gets him some more offers. Would be a whole lot weirder to have that list as a 2020 guy.
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
Someone else brought up a good point. Uga is loaded to the gills with talent, but whenever they play a team with close it similar talent, they seem to lose. Sometimes bad.
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Comparable opponents the last 2 years:

2017:
ND - Win by 1
Auburn - Lose by 23
Auburn - Win by 21
OU - Win by 6
Bama - Lose by 3

60% Win Percentage
Total Margin: +2 Points

2018:
LSU - Loss by 20
Florida - Win by 19
Bama - Loss by 7
Texas - Loss by 7

25% Win Percentage
Total Margin: -15 Points

Point well taken. They have a -13 point margin over 2 years and 9 games of comparable match-ups. They do struggle a bit with comparable talent. The main issue I see moving forward is they are soon to have much more "paper talent" on the field than everyone except Bama or Clemson, maybe a couple others, which brings me to...

Counterpoint: their most elite recruiting classes have yet to really hit the field. By 2020 their #1 class will be Juniors and #2 class will be Sophomores. If they are still screwing things up by that point then I will have serious doubts about their coaching and development. Still too early to tell at this point, other than to say they are pretty mediocre in that category. With a big talent advantage, it may not matter. Will they be a Bama or OSU? That is the question.
 
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Sleegro said:
Do a football NIT for the rest then. Haha I thought there were too many bowls in the 90s. I think there's 40 now. More than half the teams qualify. Seems a bit much.

Edit: there were only 20 bowl games in 1997. That seems closer to reasonable. The playoffs didn't ruin bowls, just the timing correlates with doubling the amount of bowls which is what actually ruined them.
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I'm a big advocate for a G5 playoff (thought of this as you mentioned the NIT). All those G5s will never get to the playoffs, as we have seen. As soon as they get big enough and can schedule the big boys...they usually jump to P5 anyway. Let those guys play for their own title in an exciting 16-team playoff. More money, less clutter imo. P5s don't really want to play most G5s in a bowl game anyway unless it is Boise or now UCF. They others have zero intrigue.
 
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#Vol4Life1991 said:
Layman's terms: hopefully majority of that 30 for 30 would be about the "rise again" and not how we failed.
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Nah, it's ESPN. Schiano Sunday would be half of the show..."the culture is a disaster" article and Butch and some supposed cover up rape incident would be the rest. Ending credits would show Pruitt lifting the trophy.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Couldn't you take the commit now for momentum's sake and then recruit over him in season if things go well and the opportunity arises? There is a line of thought out there that suggests our staff is shooting for the elite players, of whom they may get 2-3, while back burnering second tier guys who wind going elsewhere, resulting in us having to take third tier guys to fill all the spots where we whiff on elite talent. I don't really think that's happening in every instance but that is the narrative that some people are running with.
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Well that method sure worked out terribly last cycle. We had to take all those 3rd tier last-moment guys like Crouch and Toots and Solomon. Absolute bums.
 
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