Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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HankHill said:
I’m a little torn on Bryant. I obviously don’t think he’s some great passer by any means but with dooleys offense featuring a lot of 2nd level concepts it will be hard for a team to play man against them and not get torched by him on the ground (if he can prove to hit a decent amount of those passes)
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He's a downgrade from Lock, but I don't know if he's a bad QB either. Could still be one of the top 5 in conference...I mean other than Tua and Fromm who is returning in the SEC that's obviously better than Bryant?

As a homer I'd love to say JG, but until he proves it on the field I can't put him there. Mond? Very inaccurate, but A&M with Jimbo is going to compete.
 
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Devo182 said:
We are (have been) way below average at lb. We really have to turn the corner there this year or it could be ugly with our very limited dl situation.

I have a hard time assessing RBs. Clearly not great at blocking. Running...I like to think we have some talent, but the OL really hasn't given them ample opportunities when we've led all of FBS in Stuff Rate 2 straight years. Feel bad for our RBs. If Trey returns and can play guard...opportunities will come.
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Darrell Taylor (has the potential to be a first round draft pick) Crouch, Bituli, Henry, Ignont, Bennett, Johnson... I know I’m forgetting someone ... butt the first three names alone is above average. I think that postion group will be a strength this year. OL is getting better with mass, maturity and new bodies.

To say the whole team is average is just beyond stupid.
 
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butchna said:
Like I said...good writer. Whether what he SEES translates to what I believe is untested. Current status is its his opinion.
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Good point. Anyone know his background? Did he ever play ball or anything?

Sometimes it's hard to know how much a writer truly understands about the sport. Most have great understandings, but to your point, it doesn't make them some elite evaluator or analyst. That said, it might actually be worse if even a layman can tell you suck haha. I do know he has spent plenty of time covering other teams and so he has some point of context...seeing them practice, work, technique, etc. vs what he sees with us.

Oh, 1 nice takeaway from his piece was that he said we are now working much harder than before this staff. Not necessarily meaning we are outworking other teams (plenty of teams work 110%, right?), but just compared to this team under Butch, we are working way way harder. I think that's been mentioned before, but glad to see he sees the same thing. I think he may get as much access as anyone, if not more.
 
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DefenseWins said:
Darrell Taylor (has the potential to be a first round draft pick) Crouch, Bituli, Henry, Ignont, Bennett, Johnson... I know I’m forgetting someone ... butt the first three names alone is above average. I think that postion group will be a strength this year. OL is getting better with mass, maturity and new bodies.

To say the whole team is average is just beyond stupid.
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Reid and Roman you forgot those two...

I agree. I like our LB & DB best of all the groups on the team.
 
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DefenseWins said:
Darrell Taylor (has the potential to be a first round draft pick) Crouch, Bituli, Henry, Ignont, Bennett, Johnson... I know I’m forgetting someone ... butt the first three names alone is above average. I think that postion group will be a strength this year. OL is getting better with mass, maturity and new bodies.

To say the whole team is average is just beyond stupid.
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I think Roman Harrison may be a name you are forgetting. I think he’ll be a solid player.
 
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HankHill said:
He would’ve came here, like cutcliffe, if we didn’t try to force kiffins staff holdovers on them.
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We all know about Cutcliffe...and it wasn’t anybody else but Kippy Brown as a “holdover”. Whittingham wasn’t even entertaining an interview with us after Kiffin. He’s still with the Utes fwiw...I’m sure bigger programs would have snapped him up if he was prone to leave.
 
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Devo182 said:
Good point. Anyone know his background? Did he ever play ball or anything?

Sometimes it's hard to know how much a writer truly understands about the sport. Most have great understandings, but to your point, it doesn't make them some elite evaluator or analyst. That said, it might actually be worse if even a layman can tell you suck haha. I do know he has spent plenty of time covering other teams and so he has some point of context...seeing them practice, work, technique, etc. vs what he sees with us.

Oh, 1 nice takeaway from his piece was that he said we are now working much harder than before this staff. Not necessarily meaning we are outworking other teams (plenty of teams work 110%, right?), but just compared to this team under Butch, we are working way way harder. I think that's been mentioned before, but glad to see he sees the same thing. I think he may get as much access as anyone, if not more.
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He covered the Big 12-- I think he's from Missouri and that's where he found his break. I think he also covered Oklahoma State.
 
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HankHill said:
Love watching Utah. Wittingham would’ve done fantastic here after kiffin or Dooley.
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Pff hire Whittingham after Kiffin? C'mon, Whittingham was just a lowly Utah coach having gone 48-17 the previous 5 years (including 1 undefeated season). No, no let's go get that guy that has run through La Tech at a blazing 17-20 record. MY LAWD my head hurts just thinking of the Dooley hire.

One could point fingers many different directions as to why we are so down, but the idiot jerk that even fancied the idea of hiring a 17-20 coach from La Tech...that is still beyond belief to me. He had just gone 4-8...snatch him up! WTFFF
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Not sure if you're saying Bryant is good or bad here...I'll point out that Bryant is JG with more attempts.

Bryant's Junior season as the starter: 262-398 65.8% 2802 yards, 13 TDs and 8 INTs with 131.7 QBR
JG's Sophmore season as the starter: 153-246 62.2% 1907 yards, 12 TDs and 3 INTs with 141.0 QBR

Biggest advantage Bryant had/has over JG is he's willing to run the ball he accounted for 665 yards rushing that year as the starter on 192 attempts and added 11 TDs. I'm not sure he'll be durable enough to see that many attempts in the SEC though, but we shall see.


Bryant against the SEC as a Junior
@ Auburn: 19-29 65.5% 181 YDs 0 TDs 0 INTs 59 rushing yards and 2 TDs
@ South Carolina: 23-34 67.6% 272 YDs 2 TDs 1 INT 26 rushing yards 0 TDs
Alabama: 18-36 50% 124 0 TDs 2 INTs 19 rushing yards 0 TDs

I work with a big Clemson fan who is an alumni from there and he didn't seem to think Bryant was that good, I think he'll struggle on a less talent Missouri team playing a full SEC schedule.
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I was just saying he was not very good his full season of starting games. That said, he had a pretty good game against A&M and very well could be progressing. I just wouldn't base too much on what he did 2 years ago. JG's first season of starting games was quite poor too, but he has progressed as most QBs do.
 
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Devo182 said:
Good point. Anyone know his background? Did he ever play ball or anything?

Sometimes it's hard to know how much a writer truly understands about the sport. Most have great understandings, but to your point, it doesn't make them some elite evaluator or analyst. That said, it might actually be worse if even a layman can tell you suck haha. I do know he has spent plenty of time covering other teams and so he has some point of context...seeing them practice, work, technique, etc. vs what he sees with us.

Oh, 1 nice takeaway from his piece was that he said we are now working much harder than before this staff. Not necessarily meaning we are outworking other teams (plenty of teams work 110%, right?), but just compared to this team under Butch, we are working way way harder. I think that's been mentioned before, but glad to see he sees the same thing. I think he may get as much access as anyone, if not more.
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In the end it’s his OPINION...that’s all I’ve posited. How educated an opinion remains to be seen. He covers this beat long enough and is dead on often enough and I’m more apt to do a leap of faith. It’s not “conforming” one way or the other or whatever the **** Chism was trying to say.
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
So you want me to call you an a**hole every time I respond to you? I don't have a problem with that. I like being open with the truth anyway.
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Might as well rather than this sanctimonious pretending you’re interested in other’s viewpoints act. 😎
 
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Devo182 said:
I was just saying he was not very good his full season of starting games. That said, he had a pretty good game against A&M and very well could be progressing. I just wouldn't base too much on what he did 2 years ago. JG's first season of starting games was quite poor too, but he has progressed as most QBs do.
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Bryant is entering his 5th year and that was his junior season. I get what you're saying, but JG has only been in college 3 years and played 2. That extra experience is a double edge sword, it means Bryant is probably better than JG at the moment, but it also means we may have already seen his ceiling as well.
 
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butchna said:
We all know about Cutcliffe...and it wasn’t anybody else but Kippy Brown as a “holdover”. Whittingham wasn’t even entertaining an interview with us after Kiffin. He’s still with the Utes fwiw...I’m sure bigger programs would have snapped him up if he was prone to leave.
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We literally flew out to Utah to meet with him lol. It was also lance Thompson too.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Bryant is entering his 5th year and that was his junior season. I get what you're saying, but JG has only been in college 3 years and played 2. That extra experience is a double edge sword, it means Bryant is probably better than JG at the moment, but it also means we may have already seen his ceiling as well.
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I get your point, but it does seem like QBs really have a way of "putting it all together" their final season. I'm thinking of Crompton...Dobbs...etc. Dobbs went from a 127 QBR to a whopping 151 his senior season. And tbf to Bryant, he received limited PT due to injury last season...but up until then he had a 146 QBR and was playing better.

I really have no idea how he'll do, but if I were a Mizzou fan I would have some bit of hope he'd do fairly well. If anything, their run game tends to be pretty effective, so he'll have some help there and can run himself. Their scheme is just so good for the rushing attack, lining up 5 men on the line and spreading the defense. Mizzou has averaged 6th in the SEC (which is saying quite a bit imo) in YPC and had a 1,000 yard rusher every season since Odom took over.
 
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