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Devo182 said:
To me there's 1 simple reason we shouldn't mark this as a gimme - they like their OL and DLs, we do not. Trench concerns are kind of a big deal imo. Their QB is legit too.
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I know I was kind of talking their QB up, but I'mma need to see a bit more than 12 TD's against junk opponents (for example, they also threw 19 for 19 against WMU in their bowl..)

They do play Utah in week 1, so we'll see how the young gun does against a team with a pulse.
 
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Saw this posted in the FF, didn't check the validity but if accurate, we're going to need Kirby to be worse than "not that great", we need him to completely suck.

There are 18 5 stars in the East. 16 of them play for UGA. Pruitt can get it done, but the talent gap has to close.
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ChismsHeadband said:
I know I was kind of talking their QB up, but I'mma need to see a bit more than 12 TD's against junk opponents (for example, they also threw 19 for 19 against WMU in their bowl..)

They do play Utah in week 1, so we'll see how the young gun does against a team with a pulse.
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Yeah good point, not the best competition. Still impressive, but...

Also, the most BYU put up all year vs a P5 or ranked opponen was 28 points. Average was 20. Now...I doubt we were any better, but I would hope this offense can now put up over 20, maybe even 28, vs a decent independent.
 
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chargervol said:
Saw this posted in the FF, didn't check the validity but if accurate, we're going to need Kirby to be worse than "not that great", we need him to completely suck.
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Yeah...some still ignore it, but he has widened the talent gap considerably. It doesn't matter that we went from an 89.5 average for a good Butch class to a 90.5 under Pruitt...Smart has went from a 91 average for a really good Richt class to an absurd 93.79 the last 2 classes...yikes.

Basically, as long as Fromm plays every game, they should walk to an 11 win regular season. Same way Bama does it.


As for that stat...16 sounds about right for them. I know they had 14 last year...sure they dropped some, but also brought in a ridiculous 5 more.

As for the rest of the East - we know we have 2 incoming...Trey makes 3 if counted. I do remember hearing UF had 0 somehow. The rest of the East don't deserve 5s.
 
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Devo182 said:
Fair enough on Ubben. Though I'll say this - every time writers, who see things in person and review tons of practice film, come out and tell the fans we just aren't very talented atm, they are being brutally honest. 247 was really pounding home how much we lacked talent these past 2 years and most didn't want to believe it...but they were spot on.

Now...I read his mailbag. I really didn't take it as him saying we are completely lacking. He did mention Pruitt has recruited well and to wait and see if he can now develop that talent. He's not saying this is a 5 win team...just that the coaches really have their work cut out for them based on what he's seen. Fair enough. Go earn those millions, staff.
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Like I said...good writer. Whether what he SEES translates to what I believe is untested. Current status is its his opinion.
 
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chargervol said:
Saw this posted in the FF, didn't check the validity but if accurate, we're going to need Kirby to be worse than "not that great", we need him to completely suck.
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Pruitt needs to do the same thing Kirby did - negate a questionable coaching performance his first year by selling the money he made for countless players at Alabama (and UGA and FSU in Pruitt’s case). There is a reason we all made fun of Kirby’s coaching ability after his first year - he isn’t elite on game day. The fake punt is further evidence of that.
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
I know I was kind of talking their QB up, but I'mma need to see a bit more than 12 TD's against junk opponents (for example, they also threw 19 for 19 against WMU in their bowl..)

They do play Utah in week 1, so we'll see how the young gun does against a team with a pulse.
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Love watching Utah. Wittingham would’ve done fantastic here after kiffin or Dooley.
 
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Devo182 said:
His lone full season he had a measly 131 QBR and 7.0 YPA...in that Clemson offense that's not very good. For context: JG had a 141 qbr behind our ol. Lawrence had a 157 qbr in that (basically) same offense as Bryant.

Bryant faced 2 SEC defenses his year of starting - 14 pts vs Auburn and 6 vs Bama. Played A&M last year and did put up 28 that game and 12 YPA. By far his best game.
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Not sure if you're saying Bryant is good or bad here...I'll point out that Bryant is JG with more attempts.

Bryant's Junior season as the starter: 262-398 65.8% 2802 yards, 13 TDs and 8 INTs with 131.7 QBR
JG's Sophmore season as the starter: 153-246 62.2% 1907 yards, 12 TDs and 3 INTs with 141.0 QBR

Biggest advantage Bryant had/has over JG is he's willing to run the ball he accounted for 665 yards rushing that year as the starter on 192 attempts and added 11 TDs. I'm not sure he'll be durable enough to see that many attempts in the SEC though, but we shall see.


Bryant against the SEC as a Junior
@ Auburn: 19-29 65.5% 181 YDs 0 TDs 0 INTs 59 rushing yards and 2 TDs
@ South Carolina: 23-34 67.6% 272 YDs 2 TDs 1 INT 26 rushing yards 0 TDs
Alabama: 18-36 50% 124 0 TDs 2 INTs 19 rushing yards 0 TDs

I work with a big Clemson fan who is an alumni from there and he didn't seem to think Bryant was that good, I think he'll struggle on a less talent Missouri team playing a full SEC schedule.
 
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McGeesPub said:
Pruitt needs to do the same thing Kirby did - negate a questionable coaching performance his first year by selling the money he made for countless players at Alabama (and UGA and FSU in Pruitt’s case). There is a reason we all made fun of Kirby’s coaching ability after his first year - he isn’t elite on game day. The fake punt is further evidence of that.
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He also followed up on that crappy coaching last year when they lost to basically every good team they played outside of Florida. Got absolutely dominated by LSU and Texas.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Not sure if you're saying Bryant is good or bad here...I'll point out that Bryant is JG with more attempts.

Bryant's Junior season as the starter: 262-398 65.8% 2802 yards, 13 TDs and 8 INTs with 131.7 QBR
JG's Sophmore season as the starter: 153-246 62.2% 1907 yards, 12 TDs and 3 INTs with 141.0 QBR

Biggest advantage Bryant had/has over JG is he's willing to run the ball he accounted for 665 yards rushing that year as the starter on 192 attempts and added 11 TDs. I'm not sure he'll be durable enough to see that many attempts in the SEC though, but we shall see.


Bryant against the SEC as a Junior
@ Auburn: 19-29 65.5% 181 YDs 0 TDs 0 INTs 59 rushing yards and 2 TDs
@ South Carolina: 23-34 67.6% 272 YDs 2 TDs 1 INT 26 rushing yards 0 TDs
Alabama: 18-36 50% 124 0 TDs 2 INTs 19 rushing yards 0 TDs

I work with a big Clemson fan who is an alumni from there and he didn't seem to think Bryant was that good, I think he'll struggle on a less talent Missouri team playing a full SEC schedule.
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I’m a little torn on Bryant. I obviously don’t think he’s some great passer by any means but with dooleys offense featuring a lot of 2nd level concepts it will be hard for a team to play man against them and not get torched by him on the ground (if he can prove to hit a decent amount of those passes)
 
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HankHill said:
Love watching Utah. Wittingham would’ve done fantastic here after kiffin or Dooley.
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Wasn’t available after Kiffin...you mean Fulmer? We were getting rejected by the Troy Calhouns of the world after Kiffin.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Not sure if you're saying Bryant is good or bad here...I'll point out that Bryant is JG with more attempts.

Bryant's Junior season as the starter: 262-398 65.8% 2802 yards, 13 TDs and 8 INTs with 131.7 QBR
JG's Sophmore season as the starter: 153-246 62.2% 1907 yards, 12 TDs and 3 INTs with 141.0 QBR

Biggest advantage Bryant had/has over JG is he's willing to run the ball he accounted for 665 yards rushing that year as the starter on 192 attempts and added 11 TDs. I'm not sure he'll be durable enough to see that many attempts in the SEC though, but we shall see.


Bryant against the SEC as a Junior
@ Auburn: 19-29 65.5% 181 YDs 0 TDs 0 INTs 59 rushing yards and 2 TDs
@ South Carolina: 23-34 67.6% 272 YDs 2 TDs 1 INT 26 rushing yards 0 TDs
Alabama: 18-36 50% 124 0 TDs 2 INTs 19 rushing yards 0 TDs

I work with a big Clemson fan who is an alumni from there and he didn't seem to think Bryant was that good, I think he'll struggle on a less talent Missouri team playing a full SEC schedule.
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That's pretty fair.. He was able to get away with a lot just by overthrowing the secondary against lesser opponents. Now he's going to be throwing to WR's that can't (as easily) blow the lid off the safeties.
 
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Devo182 said:
Yeah good point, not the best competition. Still impressive, but...

Also, the most BYU put up all year vs a P5 or ranked opponen was 28 points. Average was 20. Now...I doubt we were any better, but I would hope this offense can now put up over 20, maybe even 28, vs a decent independent.
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19.5 was our average against P5 last season...should go up this year (I hope). Of course the bulk of their P5 was Pac-12 (4 games) and Big Ten (1 game). We played SEC (8) and Big 12 (1).
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
19.5 was our average against P5 last season...should go up this year (I hope). Of course the bulk of their P5 was Pac-12 (4 games) and Big Ten (1 game). We played SEC (8) and Big 12 (1).
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Man, even Charlotte and UTEP we couldn't blow out of the water.

Really need to start lighting up the scoreboard against the trash opponents. Even if it's only to make me feel better.
 
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