Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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ChattaTNVol said:
Athlon - 2019 All SEC team

4th team offense - APB Ty Chandler, WR Marquez Callaway
3rd team defense - LB Darrell Taylor, S Nigel Warrior
4th team defense - CB Bryce Thompson
2nd team Punt Returner - Marquez Callaway

Total spots by team

UA 14
AU 10
UF 10
UGA 9
MO 9
SC 8
LSU 7
A&M 7
AR 7
KY 7
UT 6
VU 6
OM 5
MSU 5

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/sec-football-2019-all-conference-team
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must be some awesome DB's in the league if Alontae Taylor doesn't get a mention.
 
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Devo182 said:
Wouldn't part of Bran's advantage be that he would foresee any internal struggles? This seems like a massive advantage over any other rulers.

Besides, any society that eventually overtakes divine rulers has to start somewhere. The answer is to start down that path, not more of the same. They have at least begun down a better path.
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The way GRRM explained it, although Bran can get clear pictures of the past, he can't just see everything all the time, which was why he was unaware of who Jon Snow actually was until Sam told him what he had read at the Citadel about Rhaegar and Lyanna Stark. Once he was given specifics on a past event, then he could apparently pull up the images. His ability to see into the future was apparently somewhat similar to a priest or priestess of the Lord of Light trying to read the flames. Rather murky, and you had to interpret as best you could based on what you thought you were seeing. It was apparently a good deal harder to see clear pictures of the future than it was to pull up images of the past. In one scene in S7 after Bran had returned to Winterfell as the 3-eyed Raven, Sam walked into the room and Bran gave him a bit of information about something that was soon to happen, and Sam asked if Bran was able to see that event in the future, Bran instead held up the message he had read that had been delivered by raven. So he didn't 'see' that event in the future, but rather found about it the way anyone else would have. And as Bran also said in S7, he stays in the past a lot, so it seems it is far easier for him to visit the past than to get clear visions of the future.

While I agree with you that what the writers gave us in the last scene between the lords of Westeros appeared to be a chance to break the wheel, although I don't know if that rule was 'divine right', as that suggests a king is placed on the throne by God; theTargareyns ruled by the grace of dragons, not God. But that type of change, which was not just shaking off over 300 years of rule from the Iron Throne, but also breaking away from thousands of years of rivalries between not just the great houses, but lots of lesser houses who were not represented at that final meeting, was not going to be resolved by placing a young cripple on the throne that most of Westeros knows little to nothing about. And history has shown us that in times of major upheaval,you need someone who is strong and who commands respect, and even a bit of fear, to hold a country, or six kingdoms together. I just think it was naive to expect all of these kingdoms to just accept 'a good storyteller' as their new king. In reality, he would have been tested almost immediately to see if he could hold the kingdoms together. The reality is, Jon Snow would have been a far better choice, and the fact that those lords didn't push harder for that, and just meekly allowed him to be sent to the Wall sort of goes against what we know about their characters. Expecting a sudden utopian ending in a world that has spent the last 8000 years at war is just a bit much to expect. As UEM pointed out, the Pax Romana in the violent classical world only worked when that world feared the power of the Roman legions. Expecting the violent world of Westeros to put don their arms for a cripple is just stretching the limits of credibility, IMO.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
The way GRRM explained it, although Bran can get clear pictures of the past, he can't just see everything all the time, which was why he was unaware of who Jon Snow actually was until Sam told him what he had read at the Citadel about Rhaegar and Lyanna Stark. Once he was given specifics on a past event, then he could apparently pull up the images. His ability to see into the future was apparently somewhat similar to a priest or priestess of the Lord of Light trying to read the flames. Rather murky, and you had to interpret as best you could based on what you thought you were seeing. It was apparently a good deal harder to see clear pictures of the future than it was to pull up images of the past. In one scene in S7 after Bran had returned to Winterfell as the 3-eyed Raven, Sam walked into the room and Bran gave him a bit of information about something that was soon to happen, and Sam asked if Bran was able to see that event in the future, Bran instead held up the message he had read that had been delivered by raven. So he didn't 'see' that event in the future, but rather found about it the way anyone else would have. And as Bran also said in S7, he stays in the past a lot, so it seems it is far easier for him to visit the past than to get clear visions of the future.

While I agree with you that what the writers gave us in the last scene between the lords of Westeros appeared to be a chance to break the wheel, although I don't know if that rule was 'divine right', as that suggests a king is placed on the throne by God; theTargareyns ruled by the grace of dragons, not God. But that type of change, which was not just shaking off over 300 years of rule from the Iron Throne, but also breaking away from thousands of years of rivalries between not just the great houses, but lots of lesser houses who were not represented at that final meeting, was not going to be resolved by placing a young cripple on the throne that most of Westeros knows little to nothing about. And history has shown us that in times of major upheaval,you need someone who is strong and who commands respect, and even a bit of fear, to hold a country, or six kingdoms together. I just think it was naive to expect all of these kingdoms to just accept 'a good storyteller' as their new king. In reality, he would have been tested almost immediately to see if he could hold the kingdoms together. The reality is, Jon Snow would have been a far better choice, and the fact that those lords didn't push harder for that, and just meekly allowed him to be sent to the Wall sort of goes against what we know about their characters. Expecting a sudden utopian ending in a world that has spent the last 8000 years at war is just a bit much to expect. As UEM pointed out, the Pax Romana in the violent classical world only worked when that world feared the power of the Roman legions. Expecting the violent world of Westeros to put don their arms for a cripple is just stretching the limits of credibility, IMO.
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Geek Alert. And great summation.
 
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Current 2019 Scholarship Numbers-

QB (3) - Guarantano (RS Jr), Shrout (RS Fr), Maurer (Fr)
RB (6) - Fils-Aime (Sr), Chandler (Jr), Jordan (Jr), Fant (RS So), Banks (So), Gray (Fr)
WR (11) - Jennings (RS Sr), Byrd (Sr), Callaway (Sr), B.Johnson (Sr), Gibbs (Jr), Murphy (Jr), Palmer (Jr), J.Jones (RS So), Tillman (RS Fr), Keyton (Fr), Means (Fr)
TE (7) - Wood-Anderson (Sr), Craig (RS Jr), Pope (RS Jr), Brown (RS So), Warren (RS Fr), Brown (Fr), Lowe (Fr)
OL (15) - Kennedy (RS Sr), J.Johnson (RS Jr), R.Johnson (RS Jr), Niehaus (RS Jr), Tatum (RS Jr), Locklear (Jr), T.Smith (Jr), Calbert (RS So), Carvin (So), Lane (RS Fr), Akporoghene (Fr), Lampley (Fr), McBride (Fr), Morris (Fr), Wright (Fr)

DL (12) - Gooden (Sr), Blakely (RS Jr), Bumphus (Jr), Butler (Jr), A.Solomon (Jr), Middleton (RS So), S.Williams (RS So), Mincey (So), Emerson (RS Fr), Garland (RS Fr), K.Harris (RS Fr), Simmons (Fr)
LB (13) - Kirkland (RS Sr), D.Taylor (RS Sr), Bituli (Sr), Allen (RS Jr), Ignont (Jr), D.Johnson (Jr), Reid (Jr), Bennett (RS So), Page (RS So), Peterson (RS Fr), Crouch (Fr), Harrison (Fr), To'oto'o (Fr)
CB (10) - Buchanan (Sr), K.George (RS Jr), Bailey (RS So), Labruzza (RS So), A.Taylor (So), Thompson (So), B.Davis (RS Fr), Burrell (Fr), Fields (Fr), K.Solomon (Fr)
S (8) - Warrior (Sr), T.Jackson (Jr), Shamburger (Jr), Gray (RS So), Flowers (So), Beasley (Fr), McCullough (Fr), A.Harris (Fr)

S/T (3) - Lovingood (RS Sr), Cimaglia (Jr), Brooks (So)


Seniors - 14
Juniors - 26
Sophomores - 18
Freshmen - 30

Total - 88

So we'll have to lose 3 before the fall. Included above are Harris who's questionable to make it in, Trey who may not be medically cleared, and George who it sounds like won't be a part of the team after investigation.
 
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RockyTopInBham said:
Current 2019 Scholarship Numbers-

QB (3) - Guarantano (RS Jr), Shrout (RS Fr), Maurer (Fr)
RB (6) - Fils-Aime (Sr), Chandler (Jr), Jordan (Jr), Fant (RS So), Banks (So), Gray (Fr)
WR (11) - Jennings (RS Sr), Byrd (Sr), Callaway (Sr), B.Johnson (Sr), Gibbs (Jr), Murphy (Jr), Palmer (Jr), J.Jones (RS So), Tillman (RS Fr), Keyton (Fr), Means (Fr)
TE (7) - Wood-Anderson (Sr), Craig (RS Jr), Pope (RS Jr), Brown (RS So), Warren (RS Fr), Brown (Fr), Lowe (Fr)
OL (15) - Kennedy (RS Sr), J.Johnson (RS Jr), R.Johnson (RS Jr), Niehaus (RS Jr), Tatum (RS Jr), Locklear (Jr), T.Smith (Jr), Calbert (RS So), Carvin (So), Lane (RS Fr), Akporoghene (Fr), Lampley (Fr), McBride (Fr), Morris (Fr), Wright (Fr)

DL (12) - Gooden (Sr), Blakely (RS Jr), Bumphus (Jr), Butler (Jr), A.Solomon (Jr), Middleton (RS So), S.Williams (RS So), Mincey (So), Emerson (RS Fr), Garland (RS Fr), K.Harris (RS Fr), Simmons (Fr)
LB (13) - Kirkland (RS Sr), D.Taylor (RS Sr), Bituli (Sr), Allen (RS Jr), Ignont (Jr), D.Johnson (Jr), Reid (Jr), Bennett (RS So), Page (RS So), Peterson (RS Fr), Crouch (Fr), Harrison (Fr), To'oto'o (Fr)
CB (10) - Buchanan (Sr), K.George (RS Jr), Bailey (RS So), Labruzza (RS So), A.Taylor (So), Thompson (So), B.Davis (RS Fr), Burrell (Fr), Fields (Fr), K.Solomon (Fr)
S (8) - Warrior (Sr), T.Jackson (Jr), Shamburger (Jr), Gray (RS So), Flowers (So), Beasley (Fr), McCullough (Fr), A.Harris (Fr)

S/T (3) - Lovingood (RS Sr), Cimaglia (Jr), Brooks (So)


Seniors - 14
Juniors - 26
Sophomores - 18
Freshmen - 30

Total - 88

So we'll have to lose 3 before the fall. Included above are Harris who's questionable to make it in, Trey who may not be medically cleared, and George who it sounds like won't be a part of the team after investigation.
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Far as I've read/heard it seems like Kirkland & George are both for different reasons losing their scholarships. I think DK gets a medical and spends the season at UT rehabbing and prepping for the draft.
 
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RockyTopInBham said:
Current 2019 Scholarship Numbers-

QB (3) - Guarantano (RS Jr), Shrout (RS Fr), Maurer (Fr)
RB (6) - Fils-Aime (Sr), Chandler (Jr), Jordan (Jr), Fant (RS So), Banks (So), Gray (Fr)
WR (11) - Jennings (RS Sr), Byrd (Sr), Callaway (Sr), B.Johnson (Sr), Gibbs (Jr), Murphy (Jr), Palmer (Jr), J.Jones (RS So), Tillman (RS Fr), Keyton (Fr), Means (Fr)
TE (7) - Wood-Anderson (Sr), Craig (RS Jr), Pope (RS Jr), Brown (RS So), Warren (RS Fr), Brown (Fr), Lowe (Fr)
OL (15) - Kennedy (RS Sr), J.Johnson (RS Jr), R.Johnson (RS Jr), Niehaus (RS Jr), Tatum (RS Jr), Locklear (Jr), T.Smith (Jr), Calbert (RS So), Carvin (So), Lane (RS Fr), Akporoghene (Fr), Lampley (Fr), McBride (Fr), Morris (Fr), Wright (Fr)

DL (12) - Gooden (Sr), Blakely (RS Jr), Bumphus (Jr), Butler (Jr), A.Solomon (Jr), Middleton (RS So), S.Williams (RS So), Mincey (So), Emerson (RS Fr), Garland (RS Fr), K.Harris (RS Fr), Simmons (Fr)
LB (13) - Kirkland (RS Sr), D.Taylor (RS Sr), Bituli (Sr), Allen (RS Jr), Ignont (Jr), D.Johnson (Jr), Reid (Jr), Bennett (RS So), Page (RS So), Peterson (RS Fr), Crouch (Fr), Harrison (Fr), To'oto'o (Fr)
CB (10) - Buchanan (Sr), K.George (RS Jr), Bailey (RS So), Labruzza (RS So), A.Taylor (So), Thompson (So), B.Davis (RS Fr), Burrell (Fr), Fields (Fr), K.Solomon (Fr)
S (8) - Warrior (Sr), T.Jackson (Jr), Shamburger (Jr), Gray (RS So), Flowers (So), Beasley (Fr), McCullough (Fr), A.Harris (Fr)

S/T (3) - Lovingood (RS Sr), Cimaglia (Jr), Brooks (So)


Seniors - 14
Juniors - 26
Sophomores - 18
Freshmen - 30

Total - 88

So we'll have to lose 3 before the fall. Included above are Harris who's questionable to make it in, Trey who may not be medically cleared, and George who it sounds like won't be a part of the team after investigation.
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Good breakdown. Only issue is trey would have to medically retire to get the scholarship back.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Far as I've read/heard it seems like Kirkland & George are both for different reasons losing their scholarships. I think DK gets a medical and spends the season at UT rehabbing and prepping for the draft.
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A medical redshirt wouldn't do it. Dk would need to medically retire I believe. Which may be what you meant.
 
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RockyTopInBham said:
Current 2019 Scholarship Numbers-

QB (3) - Guarantano (RS Jr), Shrout (RS Fr), Maurer (Fr)
RB (6) - Fils-Aime (Sr), Chandler (Jr), Jordan (Jr), Fant (RS So), Banks (So), Gray (Fr)
WR (11) - Jennings (RS Sr), Byrd (Sr), Callaway (Sr), B.Johnson (Sr), Gibbs (Jr), Murphy (Jr), Palmer (Jr), J.Jones (RS So), Tillman (RS Fr), Keyton (Fr), Means (Fr)
TE (7) - Wood-Anderson (Sr), Craig (RS Jr), Pope (RS Jr), Brown (RS So), Warren (RS Fr), Brown (Fr), Lowe (Fr)
OL (15) - Kennedy (RS Sr), J.Johnson (RS Jr), R.Johnson (RS Jr), Niehaus (RS Jr), Tatum (RS Jr), Locklear (Jr), T.Smith (Jr), Calbert (RS So), Carvin (So), Lane (RS Fr), Akporoghene (Fr), Lampley (Fr), McBride (Fr), Morris (Fr), Wright (Fr)

DL (12) - Gooden (Sr), Blakely (RS Jr), Bumphus (Jr), Butler (Jr), A.Solomon (Jr), Middleton (RS So), S.Williams (RS So), Mincey (So), Emerson (RS Fr), Garland (RS Fr), K.Harris (RS Fr), Simmons (Fr)
LB (13) - Kirkland (RS Sr), D.Taylor (RS Sr), Bituli (Sr), Allen (RS Jr), Ignont (Jr), D.Johnson (Jr), Reid (Jr), Bennett (RS So), Page (RS So), Peterson (RS Fr), Crouch (Fr), Harrison (Fr), To'oto'o (Fr)
CB (10) - Buchanan (Sr), K.George (RS Jr), Bailey (RS So), Labruzza (RS So), A.Taylor (So), Thompson (So), B.Davis (RS Fr), Burrell (Fr), Fields (Fr), K.Solomon (Fr)
S (8) - Warrior (Sr), T.Jackson (Jr), Shamburger (Jr), Gray (RS So), Flowers (So), Beasley (Fr), McCullough (Fr), A.Harris (Fr)

S/T (3) - Lovingood (RS Sr), Cimaglia (Jr), Brooks (So)


Seniors - 14
Juniors - 26
Sophomores - 18
Freshmen - 30

Total - 88

So we'll have to lose 3 before the fall. Included above are Harris who's questionable to make it in, Trey who may not be medically cleared, and George who it sounds like won't be a part of the team after investigation.
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I don't think TE Craig is a scholarship player.
 
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RockyTopInBham said:
Current 2019 Scholarship Numbers-

QB (3) - Guarantano (RS Jr), Shrout (RS Fr), Maurer (Fr)
RB (6) - Fils-Aime (Sr), Chandler (Jr), Jordan (Jr), Fant (RS So), Banks (So), Gray (Fr)
WR (11) - Jennings (RS Sr), Byrd (Sr), Callaway (Sr), B.Johnson (Sr), Gibbs (Jr), Murphy (Jr), Palmer (Jr), J.Jones (RS So), Tillman (RS Fr), Keyton (Fr), Means (Fr)
TE (7) - Wood-Anderson (Sr), Craig (RS Jr), Pope (RS Jr), Brown (RS So), Warren (RS Fr), Brown (Fr), Lowe (Fr)
OL (15) - Kennedy (RS Sr), J.Johnson (RS Jr), R.Johnson (RS Jr), Niehaus (RS Jr), Tatum (RS Jr), Locklear (Jr), T.Smith (Jr), Calbert (RS So), Carvin (So), Lane (RS Fr), Akporoghene (Fr), Lampley (Fr), McBride (Fr), Morris (Fr), Wright (Fr)

DL (12) - Gooden (Sr), Blakely (RS Jr), Bumphus (Jr), Butler (Jr), A.Solomon (Jr), Middleton (RS So), S.Williams (RS So), Mincey (So), Emerson (RS Fr), Garland (RS Fr), K.Harris (RS Fr), Simmons (Fr)
LB (13) - Kirkland (RS Sr), D.Taylor (RS Sr), Bituli (Sr), Allen (RS Jr), Ignont (Jr), D.Johnson (Jr), Reid (Jr), Bennett (RS So), Page (RS So), Peterson (RS Fr), Crouch (Fr), Harrison (Fr), To'oto'o (Fr)
CB (10) - Buchanan (Sr), K.George (RS Jr), Bailey (RS So), Labruzza (RS So), A.Taylor (So), Thompson (So), B.Davis (RS Fr), Burrell (Fr), Fields (Fr), K.Solomon (Fr)
S (8) - Warrior (Sr), T.Jackson (Jr), Shamburger (Jr), Gray (RS So), Flowers (So), Beasley (Fr), McCullough (Fr), A.Harris (Fr)

S/T (3) - Lovingood (RS Sr), Cimaglia (Jr), Brooks (So)


Seniors - 14
Juniors - 26
Sophomores - 18
Freshmen - 30

Total - 88

So we'll have to lose 3 before the fall. Included above are Harris who's questionable to make it in, Trey who may not be medically cleared, and George who it sounds like won't be a part of the team after investigation.
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And Kirkland.
 
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