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ChattaTNVol said:
Looking at our 2018 offensive line against just conference competition so as to remove the fluff in stats created against cupcakes and other OOC opponents.

The number of offensive line starts is from Phil Steele which he publishes before every season starts.

I’ve moved the number of sacks allowed from the number of run attempts to the number of pass attempts to show which phase of the offense actually took the loss. So sacks allowed % is based on the total number of passing plays.

Tackles for loss includes sacks but the stuff % subtracts out the sacks allowed to show what % of run attempts ended in a tackle for loss.

I’ve included our 2012 offensive line for reference.

I know everyone thinks we need to do a better job protecting Guarantano, and we probably do, but I don’t think that’s our real problem. I think we need to figure out how to run the football.

Pruitt keeps saying we need to get ourselves in the “right play”. I’m guessing that is on JG. Another thing I think we need to do is get our running backs committed to running north-south. I know David Johnson has spent time in the film room with Tim Jordan on this so we’re obviously working on it. I think this is also one of the main reasons everyone got so excited about Jeremy Banks early on. Finally, the other thing we obviously need to do is find or build some strong and athletic MEN for our offensive line that are capable of doing battle in the trenches. This is recruiting and Fitz.

If Trey Smith plays this year I think we’ll have 66 offensive line starts returning on the roster. By my estimate, a 5-star (immediate impact) freshman offensive lineman is typically worth a minimum of 12 offensive line starts in this analysis.

I think Florida is going to have maybe less than 20 offensive line starts headed into this season and they don’t have anyone even remotely close to being a 5-star.

Strength & conditioning over time makes a huge difference for some lower rated guys but some guys obviously start out with a strength and talent advantage. The one thing that we can’t however take for granted is that even the studs we will have this year will need to learn what to do and they will need to mesh with the interior guys who will be returning. Fortunately, we’ll have around 250 snaps in fall scrimmages and then another perhaps 250 snaps in our first three games to get everyone ready for the swamp. I’m hoping this year we don’t just talk about building continuity but rather actually make it happen. jmo.

If we can figure out how to run the ball this year I think our offensive line will be viewed as being well above average for our conference. jmo.

The table is sorted on negative play %.

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We really won't know how this game is going to go until we check the recent arrests right before the game.
 
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I’ll be speaking at Awaken Church in Columbia, SC this Sunday if anyone wants to swing by and fist bump. If a knife fight in the street is more your game, I’m down for that too

short note... there are mentally deranged folks all over DC. Folks screaming at the air... everywhere. Sad state of affairs 😞[S/QUOTE]
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So you went to congress?
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Looking at our 2018 offensive line against just conference competition so as to remove the fluff in stats created against cupcakes and other OOC opponents.

The number of offensive line starts is from Phil Steele which he publishes before every season starts.

I’ve moved the number of sacks allowed from the number of run attempts to the number of pass attempts to show which phase of the offense actually took the loss. So sacks allowed % is based on the total number of passing plays.

Tackles for loss includes sacks but the stuff % subtracts out the sacks allowed to show what % of run attempts ended in a tackle for loss.

I’ve included our 2012 offensive line for reference.

I know everyone thinks we need to do a better job protecting Guarantano, and we probably do, but I don’t think that’s our real problem. I think we need to figure out how to run the football.

Pruitt keeps saying we need to get ourselves in the “right play”. I’m guessing that is on JG. Another thing I think we need to do is get our running backs committed to running north-south. I know David Johnson has spent time in the film room with Tim Jordan on this so we’re obviously working on it. I think this is also one of the main reasons everyone got so excited about Jeremy Banks early on. Finally, the other thing we obviously need to do is find or build some strong and athletic MEN for our offensive line that are capable of doing battle in the trenches. This is recruiting and Fitz.

If Trey Smith plays this year I think we’ll have 66 offensive line starts returning on the roster. By my estimate, a 5-star (immediate impact) freshman offensive lineman is typically worth a minimum of 12 offensive line starts in this analysis.

I think Florida is going to have maybe less than 20 offensive line starts headed into this season and they don’t have anyone even remotely close to being a 5-star.

Strength & conditioning over time makes a huge difference for some lower rated guys but some guys obviously start out with a strength and talent advantage. The one thing that we can’t however take for granted is that even the studs we will have this year will need to learn what to do and they will need to mesh with the interior guys who will be returning. Fortunately, we’ll have around 250 snaps in fall scrimmages and then another perhaps 250 snaps in our first three games to get everyone ready for the swamp. I’m hoping this year we don’t just talk about building continuity but rather actually make it happen. jmo.

If we can figure out how to run the ball this year I think our offensive line will be viewed as being well above average for our conference. jmo.

The table is sorted on negative play %.

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Eyes meet real stats.

Bolded statements are 100% correct. Which is why Chaney will make a significant difference. JG will be given simpler checks into quicker developing plays on the ground and air. The scheme will also be less complex to block and the RB's to run. It is designed to keep the D's off balance and guessing more. There will be some play action passes and misdirection runs when the D thinks there is a pattern. There will be more use of lead blockers, less dancing to find holes. Going back in time to when Neal was the lead RB, Chaney's openly stated biggest challenge was to have him to just go and stop dancing with the ball.

Add in the extra year of real (elite) level S&C/nutrition programs and more talented young roster to blend in along the way. They take a major step forward this season IMO.
 
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Perhaps another reason for some optimism for our offensive line this year. In the past couple of years at Georgia Chaney has gained a wealth of experience working with young talented offensive linemen.

Trey Hill, Fr - 2018: Saw action in all 14 games...started the last four games at RG...filled in at center for all but four offensive plays of the Kentucky game after starter Lamont Gaillard left with an injury...played extensively at multiple OL positions vs. Vanderbilt...one of four players to win Offensive Newcomer of the Year at the team's post-season awards gala...enrolled at UGA in January of 2018 and participated in spring drills. (6’4 330 0.9692)

Jamaree Salyer, Fr -2018: Played in 13 of 14 games as a reserve offensive lineman...saw extensive action vs. South Carolina, Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech...also played on placement kick units...named to the J. Reid Parker Director of Athletics Honor Roll for Summer, 2018 semester. (6’4 325 0.9956, 102 snaps PFF overall grade for 2018 74.1)

Andrew Thomas, Fr - 2017: Named to Freshman All-America Teams by ESPN, USA Today and the Football Writers Association of America...played in all 15 games, making 15 starts as a true freshman at right tackle...one of three offensive Newcomers of the Year, given at team's post-season awards gala...earned his first-team status from early days of pre-season camp. (6’5 320 0.9791, 657 snaps in 2018, PFF overall grade 80.6)

Cade Mays, Fr - 2018: Played in 11 of 14 games, including starting assignments in seven...played in 75 percent of Georgia's offensive plays during SEC games...first extensive action came in reserve role at South Carolina...missed the UMass, Georgia Tech and Alabama games due to injury...one of four winners of the Offensive Newcomer of the Year award at team's post-season awards gala...enrolled at UGA in January of 2018 and participated in spring drills. (6’6 318 0.9869, 518 snaps in 2018, PFF overall grade 71.3)

Isaiah Wilson, R-Fr - 2018: Started at RT in all 14 games...played on 95 percent of Georgia's offensive snaps during the Bulldogs' eight SEC games this season, including every snap in the last four conference games...co-winner of the Offensive Most Improved Player award, given at team's post-season awards gala. (6’7 340 0.9904, 858 snaps in 2018, PFF overall grade 76.0)

Solomon Kindley, R-Fr - 2017: Coaches’ Freshman All-SEC Team...played in 15 games, making seven starts at right guard...picked up first career start against Samford and started the next week against Mississippi State...one of two winners of the Most Improved Award for Offense during spring drills...started at right guard for Black team in G-Day spring game. (6’4 335 0.8408, played 785 snaps in 2018, PFF overall grade 75.9)
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Perhaps another reason for some optimism for our offensive line this year. In the past couple of years at Georgia Chaney has gained a wealth of experience working with young talented offensive linemen.
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Words.

Chaney's biggest thing is creating a running game with TN's WR's. This will help JG because he wants to throw 30 yard out passes every down.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Perhaps another reason for some optimism for our offensive line this year. In the past couple of years at Georgia Chaney has gained a wealth of experience working with young talented offensive linemen.
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Chaney didn’t need UgA to learn how to coach OL. He knew that before he even got to TN the first time. Always been very good with OL
 
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Eyes meet real stats.

Bolded statements are 100% correct. Which is why Chaney will make a significant difference. JG will be given simpler checks into quicker developing plays on the ground and air. The scheme will also be less complex to block and the RB's to run. It is designed to keep the D's off balance and guessing more. There will be some play action passes and misdirection runs when the D thinks there is a pattern. There will be more use of lead blockers, less dancing to find holes. Going back in time to when Neal was the lead RB, Chaney's openly stated biggest challenge was to have him to just go and stop dancing with the ball.

Add in the extra year of real (elite) level S&C/nutrition programs and more talented young roster to blend in along the way. They take a major step forward this season IMO.
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This is why I think our ol will be much improved even without the freshmen. Across the board every undersized ol we had last year has added a significant amount of good weight and strength. I don't think anyone in the expected 2 deep is under 300 lbs anymore. We will at least look like an sec ol this year getting off the bus. I'm pretty confident Chaney and friend can at the very least get us to a serviceable ol this year.
 
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Chaney didn’t need UgA to learn how to coach OL. He knew that before he even got to TN the first time. Always been very good with OL
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I know he has a lot of experience both in the pros and in college with OL but the concern I think many have is we're really counting on a couple young very talented Freshmen to step up and make an immediate impact. That's why I thought it was worth pointing out the success of all the similarly young guys he had to work with at Georgia. jmo.
 
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Anybody know how sitting with others works re: Vol Pass? Like, if I wanted a pair of tickets, would buying two Vol Passes insure that I get two seats together, or would it be totally dependent on getting seats together every week? That seems like something that would dissuade me from taking the plunge.
 
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Athlon - 2019 All SEC team

4th team offense - APB Ty Chandler, WR Marquez Callaway
3rd team defense - LB Darrell Taylor, S Nigel Warrior
4th team defense - CB Bryce Thompson
2nd team Punt Returner - Marquez Callaway

Total spots by team

UA 14
AU 10
UF 10
UGA 9
MO 9
SC 8
LSU 7
A&M 7
AR 7
KY 7
UT 6
VU 6
OM 5
MSU 5

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/sec-football-2019-all-conference-team
 
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