Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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VolunteerHillbilly said:
We're on a tough road. Basically trying to beat other programs at their own game when they have a massive head start. We don't just need to get better, we need them to at least stop improving and really we probably need them to get fat and lazy and regress. That's where a hire like Kelly or Leach could be a game changer. Bring in a new offense that nobody wants to deal with. It's a gamble, but one that could pay off more quickly than five years out. And what if we get to 2023 and all CJP has done is get us to about where SC is now, squarely dominating the middle of the division? Do we keep on that path and hope for a magical 9-5 season when we can get blasted in the SECCG like the cocks were in 2010, or do we shake it up? I just don't understand how the path we're on is ever going to get us back to 90s level success.
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Well think of both sides of the ball -
maybe our offensive scheme isn't a competitive advantage right now, but how about Jeremy and Ansley on D?

My hope is our elite-coached D can get us back to relevance. Once there and we are hitting the ceiling, my hope is Pruitt realizes what is needed and go grabs an elite B12 style offensive coordinator.

I think Briles could have sped this whole process up significantly and had the whole league on alert. As it stands, we can still hope this moment comes in the near future.

I do agree there's no room for winning with the same style. Kirby and Saban ain't giving up an inch and Florida already has their schematic offensive advantage. We feel like the odd man out here given our starting position.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I'm just saying those thinking 8 or 9 wins this year may need to reign it in I'm hoping for 6 and a bowl game
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Projections just pass the time until reality happens. Not sure why people think we’re too frail to handle disappointment...it’s not like we haven’t had practice. 😏 As for the original point about the freshman OT’s? I feel much more confident that their assignments go the opposite direction a higher percentage of the time.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Yeah eventually coaches are going to stop wanting to come here. I just don’t get who people think we’re going to hire. We’ve been through 3 coaching searches now and proven time and again we aren’t going to shell out the big money needed for an elite coach.

Pruitt is a young coach, great coordinator and good recruiter. However, he’d never been a head coach until last year. It’s going to take him a while to get this all figured out. So far I think he’s shown that he’s willing to change and adapt but that will take time and patience from the fans
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Tbf, weren't we known to make sizable offers to Mr Mullet in 2 separate searches? We also had Currie, supposedly, on the doorstep of The Pirate himself. I think we will open the suitcase for the right guy and we have at least targeted some very intriguing, untraditional names.

Either way, Fulmer has busted wide open any notions we aren't willing to pay big. We are going nuts on this staff and Barnes. That narrative is dead right now.
 
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MrVolton said:
We’ve averaged 10-15 spots ahead of them in recruiting even during these last few historically low years. Also, they lose a lot this year, especially on OL and an NFL QB. Nobody should be penciling this in as an automatic loss, and if it’s a blow out again this year, might as well hang it up.
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It's worse than that actually. The last 3 classes they have been 25, 22, and 26 spots behind us. Doesn't mean they can't whip us annually though, just that it seems to be an unlikely long-term trend.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Recruiting. Doesn’t. Matter.

Mizzou competed in every game this year. They return a lot of good, young talent and kelly Bryant is good enough to keep things going for them.

Coaching and development means so much more than stars. We as Tennessee fans should realize that by now lol. Pruitt’s first real recruiting class isn’t even fully on campus yet.
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While I completely disagree on the first line, I will say I'm a huge proponent of their "value-added" systems. Mizzou has done an excellent job of implementing these, a holdover from the Pinkel days.

They run an offense that tries to gain every little schematic advantage it can, while doing all sorts of things to create pressure and sacks, often lacking massive DL to do so. They have regularly created a ton of disturbance along the DL with their exotic blitzes. They do a quick fake handoff on almost EVERY pass play. They line up maybe 5 or 6 blockers along the OL on runs, not 7, 8 or 9. They give themselves every advantage to win.

I may go so far as to say they follow more "Best Practices" than any other program in the SEC. We are unfortunately still far too vanilla.
 
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Catbone said:
The only games we will 99.9999% NOT win is UF, GA, and Bama. 6 floor 9 ceiling
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No way UF belongs there

UF is easily in a winnable category. No team that loses to UK is allowed to be in the unwinnable category. Our previous 4 games totaled out to a +2 margin for us, including 3 1-score losses, all until turnover fest last year.

It will be competitive again this year. They're nothing special.


I'm even slightly tempted to say UGA doesn't belong there either considering we were a few crazy bounces away from that going down to the wire last season. But...no they have recruited at a level that the gap is now similar to us and Bama. It may not even look like we belong on the same field. Xs and Os our only hope, as their new OC is a bum. Then again, Bama players made a horrrendous Mike Locksley look like he had a god-mode cheat on.
 
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Posted by someone else on another board, but thought it was an excellent view of "merely" getting top 12, 15, or even 20 classes.

"What I've said after last year's class - in the past we'd get a top whatever class and then play like a #65 or 85 ranked team. Getting #12 classes and playing like a #12 team is step one. It won't win the SEC or get in the playoffs, but it has to be done first. I have confidence this staff will get the potential out of their players."

A huge, but often overlooked point. Even if we merely landed a top-20 class...but actually played like a top-20 team...what a huge difference that would be. The closest we've come to reaching our potential were back-to-back top-25 finishes (~#22 or 23 iirc) in '15/'16 and that was with a trailing recruiting average around 11th or 12th. So even then we weren't hitting our goal. Maybe we (fans) should just focus more on turning our supposed talent into wins first, then the rest will follow.
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
Well we’ve tried to gain traction with the kid out of Texas and the big back out of Maryland etc. Hard to do when you have two plus years of horrid OL play on film.

Also don’t forget Lenneth Whitehead and Tirek Murphy.
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Whitehead projects as an ILB. Murphy is another rb but i don't really see him as a blue chipper nor do I think we lead for him. We should also be able to attract a back like Marks over a Miss St but apparently not.
 
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reVOLution33 said:
Whitehead projects as an ILB. Murphy is another rb but i don't really see him as a blue chipper nor do I think we lead for him. We should also be able to attract a back like Marks over a Miss St but apparently not.
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Whitehead wants to play RB and our staff has told him they’re open to giving him a look there. Part of the reason he’s high on us.
 
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Devo182 said:
Posted by someone else on another board, but thought it was an excellent view of "merely" getting top 12, 15, or even 20 classes.

"What I've said after last year's class - in the past we'd get a top whatever class and then play like a #65 or 85 ranked team. Getting #12 classes and playing like a #12 team is step one. It won't win the SEC or get in the playoffs, but it has to be done first. I have confidence this staff will get the potential out of their players."

A huge, but often overlooked point. Even if we merely landed a top-20 class...but actually played like a top-20 team...what a huge difference that would be. The closest we've come to reaching our potential were back-to-back top-25 finishes (~#22 or 23 iirc) in '15/'16 and that was with a trailing recruiting average around 11th or 12th. So even then we weren't hitting our goal. Maybe we (fans) should just focus more on turning our supposed talent into wins first, then the rest will follow.
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12 in the nation in recruiting is good for 3 or 4 losses in the SEC with our schedule. It's better to measure ourselves against the SEC. If the product on the field matches that recruiting ranking I agree, we'll be in position to make the next leap.
 
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Devo182 said:
Anyone have an idea of who we had committed as of 5/20 of last year and the year before?
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These are our 2019 signees that had committed by 5/20 of last year:

Wanya Morris
Ramel Keyton
Jackson Lampley
Jackson Lowe
Darel Middleton
Sean Brown

I think one of the big differences between this year and last is that many big name recruits were holding off committing until late in the year, whereas several of our top targets for 2020 have already committed elsewhere. It's just a different mood.
 
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