Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[scvolfan7]

He's not getting 5 years to compete. Year 3 is gonna be tough enough because the schedule. If he goes 7-5 this season, then follows it up with a similar record (6-6. 7-5) in year 3 he'll be on the hot seat in year 4. Will Muschamp is already catching major heat at South Carolina.

Muschamp won’t get fired as long as they’re making bowl games IMO

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/t...g-coach-lindys-2019-college-football-preview/

“Tennessee needs a talent upgrade. … It’s going to take five years to get it done. I think Jeremy Pruitt will get it done because he’s a good enough coach and recruiter to get it done. But it will take that long. The reason is, there’s other people in the league already getting it done. And they have no margin for error because they play Alabama, Georgia and Florida every year.”

“The question is, why did they finish so poorly last year? They played like crap down the stretch against Missouri and Vanderbilt. They’ve lost three in a row to Vanderbilt — that’s unacceptable.”

“Jeremy lucked out getting rid of Tyson Helton and hiring Jim Chaney. I think he’s the best, most proven offensive coordinator in the league. I think Jim is outstanding. If Jeremy will leave him alone, Jim will be fine.”

We're on a tough road. Basically trying to beat other programs at their own game when they have a massive head start. We don't just need to get better, we need them to at least stop improving and really we probably need them to get fat and lazy and regress. That's where a hire like Kelly or Leach could be a game changer. Bring in a new offense that nobody wants to deal with. It's a gamble, but one that could pay off more quickly than five years out. And what if we get to 2023 and all CJP has done is get us to about where SC is now, squarely dominating the middle of the division? Do we keep on that path and hope for a magical 9-5 season when we can get blasted in the SECCG like the cocks were in 2010, or do we shake it up? I just don't understand how the path we're on is ever going to get us back to 90s level success.

 

[McGeesPub]

When are we as a fan base going to accept that it is true though? The worst thing we can do is blow this whole thing up for what would be the 5th time in ~15 years. It’s why we have been passed by literally every other SEC program not named Arkansas. I mean we’re 2-4 against Vandy in the last six games.

As long as Pruitt shows steady improvement he deserves 5 years to try to fix this dumpster fire

Well, no one is talking about blowing it up. If Pruitt makes steady improvement, he will be absolutely fine...

 

[RyanWalkerPGH]

Muschamp won’t get fired as long as they’re making bowl games IMO

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

 

[scvolfan7]

Well, no one is talking about blowing it up. If Pruitt makes steady improvement, he will be absolutely fine...

Not yet. But What if steady improvement is just an extra win every year or two? Is that good enough for most?

Personally I think we’re gonna be winning 6-8 games a year for the next few years. First step is that we have to stop getting blown out in half the games a year

 

[scvolfan7]

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

If he survives this year he will be in Columbia for a long time

 

[McGeesPub]

Not yet. But What if steady improvement is just an extra win every year or two? Is that good enough for most?

Personally I think we’re gonna be winning 6-8 games a year for the next few years. First step is that we have to stop getting blown out in half the games a year

It’s most important that he get to 8 as quickly as possible, I’d say. If he were to win 6 in 19, 7 in 20 and 21, for instance, I’d say that’d be problematic for him. If he jumps up to 7 in 2019 and then 8 the next couple of years, I’d say he’d be in a comfortable spot for a few years.

I would absolutely trade a win or two over the next couple of years if it meant bringing in stellar classes though.

 

[chargervol]

Not yet. But What if steady improvement is just an extra win every year or two? Is that good enough for most?

Personally I think we’re gonna be winning 6-8 games a year for the next few years. First step is that we have to stop getting blown out in half the games a year

Not sure I agree that winning the same number of games for several years in a row is steady improvement?

 

[MrVolton]

He's not getting 5 years to compete. Year 3 is gonna be tough enough because the schedule. If he goes 7-5 this season, then follows it up with a similar record (6-6. 7-5) in year 3 he'll be on the hot seat in year 4. Will Muschamp is already catching major heat at South Carolina.

Schedule is the same as it almost always is. Oklahoma, UGA, Bama, and maybe Florida are the only teams on that 2020 schedule that should still out-talent us. We’re gonna have to prove that we can win the 8 that we should each year, then we’ll make the jump and recruit at the level Pruitt wants.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Coach Pruitt isn't going anywhere anytime soon (unless it's of his choosing). All he has to do is take marginally steps forward, slow and steady improvement.

It is a five year rebuild, it always has been. Step one is establish yourself as the third best team in the east, consistently. Step two compete with GA, FL for the east. Step three, compete with everyone else for the playoff. Accomplish those things and recruiting will follow right along.

 

[MrVolton]

Not yet. But What if steady improvement is just an extra win every year or two? Is that good enough for most?

Personally I think we’re gonna be winning 6-8 games a year for the next few years. First step is that we have to stop getting blown out in half the games a year

If we’re still talking about 6 win seasons after this coming season, then Pruitt is not the guy and we might as well forget about UT football ever competing for championships again.

 

[McGeesPub]

If we’re still talking about 6 win seasons after this coming season, then Pruitt is not the guy and we might as well forget about UT football ever competing for championships again.

You may be right on Pruitt, but I certainly don’t think he’s our last, best hope for competing for championships again.

 

[MrVolton]

Coach Pruitt isn't going anywhere anytime soon (unless it's of his choosing). All he has to do is take marginally steps forward, slow and steady improvement.

It is a five year rebuild, it always has been. Step one is establish yourself as the third best team in the east, consistently. Step two compete with GA, FL for the east. Step three, compete with everyone else for the playoff. Accomplish those things and recruiting will follow right along.

This. We’re gonna have to prove we’re at least 3rd best team in the east before Pruitt can recruit much better than he did last year. For the record, I think Pruitt gets that done this year. Also for the record, I think pulling Wright, Morris, To’oTo’o, and Crouch, among others last class was not too shabby.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Schedule is the same as it almost always is. Oklahoma, UGA, Bama, and maybe Florida are the only teams on that 2020 schedule that should still out-talent us. We’re gonna have to prove that we can win the 8 that we should each year, then we’ll make the jump and recruit at the level Pruitt wants.

This is the thing with the course we seem to have charted. A team that can take the division and be competitive in the SECCG is not the same as a team that can safely win 8 games a season with a few elite prospects sprinkled on top. That is exactly why SC wasn't able to capitalize when us, UF and UGA were relatively down. We need to be building something that is designed to win 10 games or more per season from the git and hope that the best recruiting staff in America can do their jobs as advertised and find the players to make it work.

 

[MrVolton]

You may be right on Pruitt, but I certainly don’t think he’s our last, best hope for competing for championships again.

If we’re still talking about 6 wins after this upcoming season, they’ll end all of football as we know it over concussions before we ever compete for championships again.

 

[HankHill]

 

[McGeesPub]

If we’re still talking about 6 wins after this upcoming season, they’ll end all of football as we know it over concussions before we ever compete for championships again.

It’s got decades of getting softer before it ends.

 

[vol2002]

He's not getting 5 years to compete. Year 3 is gonna be tough enough because the schedule. If he goes 7-5 this season, then follows it up with a similar record (6-6. 7-5) in year 3 he'll be on the hot seat in year 4. Will Muschamp is already catching major heat at South Carolina.

That’s why Fulmer should give him a raise and extension. Take that hot seat talk off the table. If some fans don’t like it, tell those fans to pound sand.

 

[vol2002]

When are we as a fan base going to accept that it is true though? The worst thing we can do is blow this whole thing up for what would be the 5th time in ~15 years. It’s why we have been passed by literally every other SEC program not named Arkansas. I mean we’re 2-4 against Vandy in the last six games.

As long as Pruitt shows steady improvement he deserves 5 years to try to fix this dumpster fire

Yep. We’ve simply got to buy in on a coach and give him a long runway.

Tennessee’s best years also coincided with remarkable coaching stability. Some fans still can’t get that through their thick skulls.

 

[MrVolton]

This is the thing with the course we seem to have charted. A team that can take the division and be competitive in the SECCG is not the same as a team that can safely win 8 games a season with a few elite prospects sprinkled on top. That is exactly why SC wasn't able to capitalize when us, UF and UGA were relatively down. We need to be building something that is designed to win 10 games or more per season from the git and hope that the best recruiting staff in America can do their jobs as advertised and find the players to make it work.

Best recruiters in America still have to have a product to sell. We have to prove we can win 8 while getting a couple guys drafted first, because for the last couple years we’ve proven we’re not even on that level yet.

 

[scvolfan7]

Schedule is the same as it almost always is. Oklahoma, UGA, Bama, and maybe Florida are the only teams on that 2020 schedule that should still out-talent us. We’re gonna have to prove that we can win the 8 that we should each year, then we’ll make the jump and recruit at the level Pruitt wants.

Mizzou is an automatic loss until we prove otherwise. They’ve beat us 50-17 the last two years and Odom has proven that he can develop players pretty well

 

[McGeesPub]

That’s why Fulmer should give him a raise and extension. Take that hot seat talk off the table. If some fans don’t like it, tell those fans to pound sand.

At this point that’s like signing a 5 year lease on a studio apartment when you’ve got a pregnant fiancé.

 

[MrVolton]

It’s got decades of getting softer before it ends.

Still...

 

[chargervol]

He's not getting 5 years to compete. Year 3 is gonna be tough enough because the schedule. If he goes 7-5 this season, then follows it up with a similar record (6-6. 7-5) in year 3 he'll be on the hot seat in year 4. Will Muschamp is already catching major heat at South Carolina.

Depends on what the source meant by rebuild. I agree 5 yrs is too much to be in on 9 or 10 win seasons kinda talent.
But say 90's era talk of a toss up for making NC games, that's a legitimate discussion.

 

[vol2002]

At this point that’s like signing a 5 year lease on a studio apartment when you’ve got a pregnant fiancé.

“Pound sand” - Philip Fulmer