Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[jakez4ut]

So what? If I want true-life stuff, there's plenty of that I can find in the non-fiction section. Many of our favorite characters died. Why did it have to end with even more of them dying?

i didn't know how they'd end it for Jon or Tyrian, though i thought there was a pretty good chance at least one of them would get got.

that neither did, doesn't bother me now that i've seen how it ends. figured if Jon didn't die, he'd be North of the Wall before the episode ended....fine with that. Tyrian's place, i guess makes sense too. but talk about falling ass backwards in to a pile of gold........lol. to say things worked out for him is putting it very mildly..........

 

[Rishvol]

Good morning

We have a winning record the last 5 years? Suck it negavols!

 

[jakez4ut]

bbbbut. Numbers dont lie. Still yet, gotta land talent. Kentucky is and always will be Kentucky.

numbers are numbers. what's there to lie about? if the numbers were supposed to be accurate predictors of outcomes, shouldn't we then be a perennial top 15 program the last 5 years?

that post was about lack of development at one place, and having it at another.

and that the future isn't written in that department any longer for us......we just have to wait and see. again.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

numbers are numbers. what's there to lie about? if the numbers were supposed to be accurate predictors of outcomes, shouldn't we then be a perennial top 15 program the last 5 years?

that post was about lack of development at one place, and having it at another.

and that the future isn't written in that department any longer for us......we just have to wait and see. again.

It may make a difference which side of the ball all that talent is on and how much experience they have. Maybe.

I've continued to look at our series with Florida as my benchmark for our team. The other guys will be irrelevant if we can get the series with Florida on the right track. jmo.

Why did we hire a highly reputable defensive coordinator to be our head coach? Maybe it could have something to do with the idea that between us and Florida, we’ve had the better offense, as measured in yards per play against just conference competition, in 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, & 2016 and only won one of those games. In every single year for the last ten years, since and including 2009 up through 2018, using the same metric, Florida has had the better defense, even in 2016 when we won, they had the better defense for the season. We probably won that year because our offense was so much better than theirs and even though we beat them in 2016 they still won the East.

Florida lost their best playmaker at every level of their defense from last year to the NFL draft. Polite went to the Jets as an edge rusher in round 3 pick 4, Joseph went to the Bills as a LB in round 5 pick 9, and Gardner-Johnson as a safety (STAR for Florida) went to the Saints in round 4 pick 3. We didn’t lose anyone from our defense (or entire team for that matter) that the NFL teams thought it worth spending a draft pick on. We rank #25 in defensive returning production; Florida ranks #43.

I’ll be surprised if Chaney doesn’t have the better offense this year with so much returning production verses Florida having significantly more offensive line issues that we’re expected to have. Florida may have an edge in offensive skill position players but without a line their production is going to be hindered. The key to us flipping the series with Florida likely rests on our commitment to building and consistently fielding a better defense than we have in the recent past. I expect that shift in commitment to begin to show this year which is why I think we will likely win on 9-21 and which should lead to the defeat of all the other also-ran conference teams on our schedule. jmo.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

 

[jakez4ut]

It may make a difference which side of the ball all that talent is on and how much experience they have. Maybe.

I've continued to look at our series with Florida as my benchmark for our team. The other guys will be irrelevant if we can get the series with Florida on the right track. jmo.

Why did we hire a highly reputable defensive coordinator to be our head coach? Maybe it could have something to do with the idea that between us and Florida, we’ve had the better offense, as measured in yards per play against just conference competition, in 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, & 2016 and only won one of those games. In every single year for the last ten years, since and including 2009 up through 2018, using the same metric, Florida has had the better defense, even in 2016 when we won, they had the better defense for the season. We probably won that year because our offense was so much better than theirs and even though we beat them in 2016 they still won the East.

Florida lost their best playmaker at every level of their defense from last year to the NFL draft. Polite went to the Jets as an edge rusher in round 3 pick 4, Joseph went to the Bills as a LB in round 5 pick 9, and Gardner-Johnson as a safety (STAR for Florida) went to the Saints in round 4 pick 3. We didn’t lose anyone from our defense (or entire team for that matter) that the NFL teams thought it worth spending a draft pick on. We rank #25 in defensive returning production; Florida ranks #43.

I’ll be surprised if Chaney doesn’t have the better offense this year with so much returning production verses Florida having significantly more offensive line issues that we’re expected to have. Florida may have an edge in offensive skill position players but without a line their production is going to be hindered. The key to us flipping the series with Florida likely rests on our commitment to building and consistently fielding a better defense than we have in the recent past. I expect that shift in commitment to begin to show this year which is why I think we will likely win on 9-21 and which should lead to the defeat of all the other also-ran conference teams on our schedule. jmo.


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totally agree. especially when you just go back and look at how we lost some of the games we "should have" won...

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

 

[jakez4ut]

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Whoa...Washington State University in the top rankings for doing more with less, must have a great coach!


I'm actually still pissed the Vol Navy never had a chance to be lead by the Pirate. Whatever though, "air raid won't work in the SEC" I remember when the "fun and gun can't win in the SEC" talks were happening...we will never know, I hope Pruitt is close to Saban and we can become winners again. But I would have loved to see what Leach could do with the level of recruits he'd fall into at UT, cause even Dooley was getting top 25 classes.

 

[WriterVol]

Butch Jones got himself some bricks. He just forgot the mortar.

 

[Devo182]

Not at all but it needed to make logical sense within the world and within the story. You can't annihilate everything and then act like everything is roses by suddenly rewarding all the beloved characters that are still alive. That's fan service for a finale. There's pain even in the best of times and

Spoiler

Jon's character seems to be the only one experiencing that.

lol true (your spoiler)

 

[jakez4ut]

Whoa...Washington State University in the top rankings for doing more with less, must have a great coach!


I'm actually still pissed the Vol Navy never had a chance to be lead by the Pirate. Whatever though, "air raid won't work in the SEC" I remember when the "fun and gun can't win in the SEC" talks were happening...we will never know, I hope Pruitt is close to Saban and we can become winners again. But I would have loved to see what Leach could do with the level of recruits he'd fall into at UT, cause even Dooley was getting top 25 classes.

i'll admit, i let myself enterain the idea of Leach as our coach. not sure how good we'd of been but it'd of been entertaining.

personally, i never trusted the idea he could win anything of consequence here. we'd be better, sure. especially offensively.

but at the end of hte day, it was just more schtick. and i've had enough schtick....

i do like the guy though. he's funny as hell.

 

[scvolfan7]

Hot take: if butch had gone 6-6 in 2017, he would have survived another 3+ years at Tennessee. That 2018 class had some damn good players (Trey dean, horn, lyn-j Dixon) in it and Adrian Martinez would’ve carried his sorry @$$ just like Dobbs did.

 

[LA Vol]

Negative recruiting is hurting us this year. Other coaches are hammering the narrative that UT is in for a long rebuild and do they really want to go to a school where the goal is to beat Vandy and make a bowl game? It's a tough narrative to overcome, which is why the coaches are trying different approaches. Top recruits know they can get PT here, they know what UT can offer, so the coaches are trying to build relationships and camaraderie without hardselling it. Because hardselling and pushing for commitments isn't working.

 

[TheMagnificantOne]

Great job D&D

 

[jakez4ut]

Negative recruiting is hurting us this year. Other coaches are hammering the narrative that UT is in for a long rebuild and do they really want to go to a school where the goal is to beat Vandy and make a bowl game? It's a tough narrative to overcome, which is why the coaches are trying different approaches. Top recruits know they can get PT here, they know what UT can offer, so the coaches are trying to build relationships and camaraderie without hardselling it. Because hardselling and pushing for commitments isn't working.

can't keep doing the same things over and over yada yada yada.

but i agree...it's still easy to negative recruit against us right now.

the counter has to be the staff. this is not a staff full of chumps. prospects know that.

i really do think a lot does depend on how we do, how we look this season. i think pruitt knows that. and maybe the soft sell is what is needed, at least for the top of the board. i can see the pitch being "no, don't commit to us right now. you should go look around. you know we want you, you know you're a priority, you know what we htink you can help us do here....let us show you what we can do for you this season, then decide"

now, if you start seeing guys like Baron, Morris, Lawrence etc....start committing to other places sooner than later, then that's bad. lol.

but i do think for us this year, the longer guys remain uncommitted, the better. and even if they do commit, i can see us staying in conact and circling back around after 7 or 8 wins and be like "see......told ya.....c'mon"

no pressure. lol.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

i'll admit, i let myself enterain the idea of Leach as our coach. not sure how good we'd of been but it'd of been entertaining.

personally, i never trusted the idea he could win anything of consequence here. we'd be better, sure. especially offensively.

but at the end of hte day, it was just more schtick. and i've had enough schtick....

i do like the guy though. he's funny as hell.

To me a schtick doesn't work for long, the fact Leach (and the air raid system) has been winning for as long as it has tells me it's not a schtick. You know truthfully what most people would have ultimately disliked the most, the amount of QBs that would have potentially taken over UT record books. A guy like Dormady who isn't great could have had 3 seasons and 12k+ yards with 100 TDs and we still only win 8-10 games lol

It could have been frustrating though, but Leach wouldn't have any problems running his offense and hanging 60 on the gators in Neyland if the game went there...and that would have almost made it worth it even if he ended up being average here, one game where we blow out a rival who can't stop the Air Raid.

 

[jakez4ut]

To me a schtick doesn't work for long, the fact Leach (and the air raid system) has been winning for as long as it has tells me it's not a schtick. You know truthfully what most people would have ultimately disliked the most, the amount of QBs that would have potentially taken over UT record books. A guy like Dormady who isn't great could have had 3 seasons and 12k+ yards with 100 TDs and we still only win 8-10 games lol

It could have been frustrating though, but Leach wouldn't have any problems running his offense and hanging 60 on the gators in Neyland if the game went there...and that would have almost made it worth it even if he ended up being average here, one game where we blow out a rival who can't stop the Air Raid.

sure, in a one off game or season, yeah. just don't think he could put a team, a complete team, on the field consistently enough to win like we want/expect.

 

[Chuckie]

Peyton be like, "Who the hell is Michael Lupin?"

 

[drvenner]

i didn't know how they'd end it for Jon or Tyrian, though i thought there was a pretty good chance at least one of them would get got.

that neither did, doesn't bother me now that i've seen how it ends. figured if Jon didn't die, he'd be North of the Wall before the episode ended....fine with that. Tyrian's place, i guess makes sense too. but talk about falling ass backwards in to a pile of gold........lol. to say things worked out for him is putting it very mildly..........

Spoiler: Sorry I forgot the previous spoiler tag

I thought Tyrion was dead for sure. So, that was a twist that I liked.

 

[Rishvol]

Spoiler: Sorry I forgot the previous spoiler tag

I thought Tyrion was dead for sure. So, that was a twist that I liked.

Spoiler

I liked how he wasn't mentioned in the book because he's literally the only character to have a significant interaction with every main character

 

[drvenner]

I've read the books and watched every episode. I hope GRRM finishes the novels and gives it a deserving ending. You can tell when the showrunners ran out of material.

I hope so as well but my faith is diminished. I am not confident the books ever get released. Really hope they do, though.

 

[drvenner]

Spoiler

I liked how he wasn't mentioned in the book because he's literally the only character to have a significant interaction with every main character

Spoiler

What book? He is prominent in the Martin books.

 

[drvenner]

he gave them all the plot points for these last two seasons and supposedly "approved" the way they ended it, as far as how he envisioned it ending.

the books aren't finished, so know way to know if he ends it the same basic way or not...but what we got the last two seasons got his stamp of approval.....and help in completing.

But, they basically could have done anything they wanted. They did not need his stamp of approval. I would rather he completely distanced himself from it since the source material was their own minds and maybe some outlines he provided.

 

[jakez4ut]

But, they basically could have done anything they wanted. They did not need his stamp of approval. I would rather he completely distanced himself from it since the source material was their own minds and maybe some outlines he provided.

it doesn't really matter to me either way. i probably won't read the books. espically knowing there's no ending.

at least i have my lukewarm ending from HBO.