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I've read the books and watched every episode. I hope GRRM finishes the novels and gives it a deserving ending. You can tell when the showrunners ran out of material.
he gave them all the plot points for these last two seasons and supposedly "approved" the way they ended it, as far as how he envisioned it ending.

the books aren't finished, so know way to know if he ends it the same basic way or not...but what we got the last two seasons got his stamp of approval.....and help in completing.
 
Most of the entire 8th season was a waste. It was like the writers put no effort into the scripts and already had one foot out the door.

The battle plans for the defense of Winterfell and the assault on Kings Landing looked like they had been drawn up by a school child instead of using an expert on medieval castle defense and assaults to assist with those episodes.

And there were so many things wrong with the finale that made you cringe.
Golden Company was definitely oversold. 😏 Money and travel! See the world...ride an elephant...stare at a bunch of angry eunuchs in your big scene and one dragon later you’re a bunch of fleeing bisches!

Side note: Anybody remember that Qyburn had been medically treated by Talisa...the tragic pregnant bride of Robb Stark? Back then I was just trying to catch up on episodes...you miss a lot.
 
he gave them all the plot points for these last two seasons and supposedly "approved" the way they ended it, as far as how he envisioned it ending.

the books aren't finished, so know way to know if he ends it the same basic way or not...but what we got the last two seasons got his stamp of approval.....and help in completing.

The ending is supposed to be more or less the same, but Martin has criticized the show for some of its choices. He does it a little cryptically, but he's definitely done it.

He'll get to that end via a different course (if he ever does manage to get there).
 
The ending is supposed to be more or less the same, but Martin has criticized the show for some of its choices. He does it a little cryptically, but he's definitely done it.

He'll get to that end via a different course (if he ever does manage to get there).
yeah, i was only speaking on the notion that GRRM will make everything better with the books. that's not necessarily true given his overall input and "approval" of what they did. Different...yeah, probably........better or a 180 from what's been presented?

would be subjective at best, w/out knowing one way or the other. i'm sure it'll have mixed reviews as well..........if it ever gets done.
 
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So literally everyone had to die or end in squalor?

Many mistake all the killing in GoT as being a necessity of the universe. No, rather it just led to progress of narrative and, frankly, is just a reality in a world without modern science. It doesn't mean there are never moments of prosperity and peace. We just happened to interject into this universe at a time of chaos. Some mistook that as the norm when it was not.

I think my opinion is pretty close to yours. I can see this as a satisfying and believable end, especially for the books since I think they'll get there in a more logical fashion than the show. That is, if they get there at all. I could say more, but I'll just avoid the spoiler thing altogether.
 
The ending is supposed to be more or less the same, but Martin has criticized the show for some of its choices. He does it a little cryptically, but he's definitely done it.

He'll get to that end via a different course (if he ever does manage to get there).
I'm in the thinking of he's written them but banked on the show ending to raise his book sales
 
Golden Company was definitely oversold. 😏 Money and travel! See the world...ride an elephant...stare at a bunch of angry eunuchs in your big scene and one dragon later you’re a bunch of fleeing bisches!

Side note: Anybody remember that Qyburn had been medically treated by Talisa...the tragic pregnant bride of Robb Stark? Back then I was just trying to catch up on episodes...you miss a lot.

Not to mention that in the books the Golden Company were Targereyn loyalists and would not have supported a Lannister against a Targareyn. But yes, a lot of buildup of the GC for them never to actually be in the fight. And we were always told dragon fire could melt stone with continued fire, as happened to the towers of Harrenhal. But apparently Drogon's fire works more like a high explosive charge.
 
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Barry is dark humor at its finest.
i've always liked Hader....but he's taken it to another level with this show. it'll be hard to come down from this. i like this show a lot. and the guy that plays Hank....he'll never be able to play another character again. lol. and i forget his name, but the guy that plays ***hes is one of my favorites, all the way back to News Radio.....
 
yeah, i was only speaking on the notion that GRRM will make everything better with the books. that's not necessarily true given his overall input and "approval" of what they did. Different...yeah, probably........better or a 180 from what's been presented?

would be subjective at best, w/out knowing one way or the other. i'm sure it'll have mixed reviews as well..........if it ever gets done.

He wasn't all cool with their take on it (see below), but I agree that doesn't mean Martin will be able to end it in a satisfying way either. His last two books weren't as good as the two before it. He's gotten himself quite a pickle, but I have more faith in his ability than the HBO writers. We'll see (or maybe we won't).

I can't think of a single super popular series that ended with universal praise. It just doesn't really happen anymore, and that's OK. I'm more concerned with my own opinion when dealing with entertainment.

Martin in his own words:
George R.R. Martin criticises what HBO has done with Game of Thrones | JOE.co.uk

In a recent interview, Martin himself broached this subject, and admitted that he too is slightly disappointed with the way his story has worked out on television.

"Of course you have an emotional reaction. I mean, would I prefer they do it exactly the way I did it? Sure," said Martin in the interview with Rolling Stone.

"It can also be traumatic. Because sometimes their creative vision and your creative vision don't match, and you get the famous creative differences thing — that leads to a lot of conflict."

"You get totally extraneous things like the studio or the network weighing in, and they have some particular thing that has nothing to do with story, but relates to 'Well this character has a very high Q Rating so let's give him a lot more stuff to do'."

Martin said: "The series has been... not completely faithful. Otherwise, it would have to run another five seasons."

In another interview with Fast Company he added: "You know, it’s complex. I’m a little sad, actually. I wish we had a few more seasons."
 
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He wasn't all cool with their take on it (see below), but I agree that doesn't mean Martin will be able to end it in a satisfying way either. His last two books weren't as good as the two before it. He's gotten himself quite a pickle, but I have more faith in his ability than the HBO writers. We'll see (or maybe we won't).

I can't think of a single super popular series that ended with universal praise. It just doesn't really happen anymore, and that's OK. I'm more concerned with my own opinion when dealing with entertainment.

Martin in his own words:
George R.R. Martin criticises what HBO has done with Game of Thrones | JOE.co.uk

In a recent interview, Martin himself broached this subject, and admitted that he too is slightly disappointed with the way his story has worked out on television.

"Of course you have an emotional reaction. I mean, would I prefer they do it exactly the way I did it? Sure," said Martin in the interview with Rolling Stone.

"It can also be traumatic. Because sometimes their creative vision and your creative vision don't match, and you get the famous creative differences thing — that leads to a lot of conflict."

"You get totally extraneous things like the studio or the network weighing in, and they have some particular thing that has nothing to do with story, but relates to 'Well this character has a very high Q Rating so let's give him a lot more stuff to do'."

Martin said: "The series has been... not completely faithful. Otherwise, it would have to run another five seasons."

In another interview with Fast Company he added: "You know, it’s complex. I’m a little sad, actually. I wish we had a few more seasons."
fair enough. i was going off an interview i saw i think from last year's emmy's.....
 
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I'm in the thinking of he's written them but banked on the show ending to raise his book sales

He's made the comment that he hasn't even started on A Dream of Spring. Given his gardening style of writing, I can see that. But he has to at least have those ending notes.

I had the thought that maybe he'd finished them, but was holding them until after his death to avoid the criticism since HBO has set him up very well. Either way, I just hope we get those books before the end, or that spring really will be nothing more than a dream.
 
fair enough. i was going off an interview i saw i think from last year's emmy's.....

To be fair, I don't know how much direct input he has with the show beyond just writing the books and giving them some ending notes. I just happened to see this criticism from him. I'm sure he has to be a little careful with the criticism since HBO wouldn't want him to dog their product, or maybe that's as far as his criticism goes.

Like I said, I'm just hoping for a more logical sequence in the books. My hope may be too much.
 
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he gave them all the plot points for these last two seasons and supposedly "approved" the way they ended it, as far as how he envisioned it ending.

the books aren't finished, so know way to know if he ends it the same basic way or not...but what we got the last two seasons got his stamp of approval.....and help in completing.

Why do people say this like it means something? When a big boy comes for your story to make into a show and you sign it over (in the beginning he had to do this before they'd even start filming) you're "approval" is already bought.

GRRM essentially had no say in the last 2 seasons, and rather than deal with the legal ramifications of what HBO could/would do if he started getting negative about the show he hasn't bothered.
 
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Why do people say this like it means something? When a big boy comes for your story to make into a show you and you sign it over (in the beginning he had to do this before they'd even start filming) you're "approval" is already bought.

GRRM essentially had no say in the last 2 seasons, and rather than deal with the legal ramifications of what HBO could/would do if he started getting negative about the show he hasn't bothered.
like i siap, i was just going off an interview i saw from last year's emmy's. don't read more in to it than there is. @WriterVol already found another source that basically refutes it.
 
This ending was the equivalent of a happy ending and that's really what makes it so wrong for GoT. Sure there was death but it was pretty much fan service with most people's favorite characters riding off into the sunset on their next great adventure.
So what? If I want true-life stuff, there's plenty of that I can find in the non-fiction section. Many of our favorite characters died. Why did it have to end with even more of them dying?
 
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So literally everyone had to die or end in squalor?

Many mistake all the killing in GoT as being a necessity of the universe. No, rather it just led to progress of narrative and, frankly, is just a reality in a world without modern science. It doesn't mean there are never moments of prosperity and peace. We just happened to interject into this universe at a time of chaos. Some mistook that as the norm when it was not.
I am not sure why people cannot understand this. It had plenty of fire and blood, but I completely agree the majority of it was for moving along the story and was very well written and incorporated. Why people think there had to be even more at the end to possibly include whitewalkers or more Stark deaths is totally beyond me.
 
Aside from the many pacing issues this season I’m fine the way it all ended. I never really liked Dany from the beginning. Jon said he “didn’t want it” and they listened. Now Brandon Sanderson can leap from this episode and write a new 20 book series about the adventures of the Starks and their descendants.
I love me some Brandon Sanderson.
 
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