Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[BigOrangeVols]

Butch didn’t underperform in year one. That roster was awful.

Had to play a top 5 team on the road and took UGA to OT. Not closing out games in year 2 was a problem.

Losing to Vanderbilt was underperforming.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Would you rather for 2019:

6-6 #4 recruiting class
8-4 #18 recruiting class

Silly question. 8-4 of course.

 

[VolGee4]

Losing to Vanderbilt was underperforming.

He lost on a review where there was no evidence to overturn. Again, it was probably the worst roster in at least 25 years at UT. If not, then second behind Dooley’s first year.

 

[McGeesPub]

I have no idea

Option 1 easily.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Would you rather for 2019:

6-6 #4 recruiting class
8-4 #18 recruiting class

8-4 because I'm a sheep and believe every 3* Jeremy lands is a diamond in the rough that will go first round in 4 years under his supreme leadership and coaching ability

 

[Devo182]

Scofflaw
Orpheus
Monday Night Brewing

I'll be there this weekend - staying downtown near centennial park - best late night eats? Dive bars?

 

[ChismsHeadband]

8-4 because I'm a sheep and believe every 3* Jeremy lands is a diamond in the rough that will go first round in 4 years under his supreme leadership and coaching ability

How do I delete someone else's account?

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

Would you rather for 2019:

6-6 #4 recruiting class
8-4 #18 recruiting class

8-4 #3 recruiting class, keep all coaches

 

[drvenner]

Just wear all your Cubs gear and ask a local. I'm sure they'll be real helpful as friendly mid-westerners always are.

Thanks! I think I'll wear some face paint too! I laughed too hard at this.

 

[butchna]

Would you rather for 2019:

6-6 #4 recruiting class
8-4 #18 recruiting class

Yes

 

[Devo182]

Woah, I was hoping he’d contribute this year

Ok now there's a kid I would legit call a bust. I'm pretty certain he never would have had any material contribution, unless it was as some 5th year senior grown man playing time.

 

[Devo182]

Would you rather for 2019:

6-6 #4 recruiting class
8-4 #18 recruiting class

Man that's tough lol. I would still take the former though because I'm already pretty set on 6-6 in my mind as the most likely outcome of this season. But the #4 class with these level of coaches would do wonders for our future. 8-4 and #18 smells a lot like 2016. Good year, but downhill recruiting is going to lead to disaster sooner than later. And so much for "elite recruiting staff".

 

[Devo182]

We're good on the 85 roster count. Sounds like Pruitt is finding ways to offload the Butch leftovers that are unlikely to play so he can focus on the guys he thinks can contribute. Glad we're able to medically retire some of them so they can finish their education.

Just hope they all kindly agreed to it. I remember when Saban was aggressively using the same tactic and some came out in later interviews and put him in a bad light. But I think Pruitt may have just a bit more tact than Saban...maybe.

 

[Devo182]

Speaking of Crosby and VA recruits - who were those twins from VA we were recruiting (and maybe they were committed at some point)? I remember we were all ready to declare VA ours with Crosby, the twins, and Taylor. The good old Butch days of trying to dominate...Virginia.

 

[drvenner]

Losing to Vanderbilt was underperforming.

You do seem to know a lot about underperforming.

 

[Devo182]

@ChattaTNVol - I know you like making those wonderful in-depth research posts. Have you ever made a big post on guys that have decommitted and how they did elsewhere? Would love to see how some panned out.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Would you rather for 2019:

6-6 #4 recruiting class
8-4 #18 recruiting class

If we go 8-4, our recruiting class will be a lot higher than 18.

 

[ChismsHeadband]

Would you rather for 2019:

6-6 #4 recruiting class
8-4 #18 recruiting class

Always take more wins. Idc a damn about paper talent if it doesn't translate. Wins are all that matters.

For a more recruiting-nuanced take... a #18 class would probably still net around 8-10 blue chippers. Allow for those guys to play early, and the rest can go towards depth and bulking up for a couple years with consistent coaching, and they'll at least be serviceable when the hypothetical 2021 season arrives.

 

[ChismsHeadband]

@ChattaTNVol - I know you like making those wonderful in-depth research posts. Have you ever made a big post on guys that have decommitted and how they did elsewhere? Would love to see how some panned out.

Uh that would be depressing

 

[ChismsHeadband]

If we go 8-4, our recruiting class will be a lot higher than 18.

Interestingly enough, I can absolutely see us splitting both categories in reality.. 7-5 and the 11th ranked class

 

[Devo182]

Butch didn’t underperform in year one. That roster was awful.

Had to play a top 5 team on the road and took UGA to OT. Not closing out games in year 3 was a problem.

True. 2013 was a truly terrible roster outside of the excellent OL.

I still have no idea how we even won 5 games. Dooley won 5 in 2012 with basically the same defense and one of the best offenses in the conference. Bray, Hunter, etc all leave and somehow we win the exact same number of games with basically no passing threat and still a historically bad defense. Just goes to show how bad Dooley truly was.

Oh and I'll still never forget the 4th down vs Vandy where we stopped them and were going bowling....until we weren't. I swore that was the last time I'd sit in 20 degree weather to watch us play Vandy. Until I decided to go see us romp our way to a NYE6 bowl game in Nashville 2016....NEVER AGAIN (for real this time)

 

[SSVol]

8-4

If Pruitt gets us there, he's proven he can win with less. And if he gets us there, there is nearly zero chance of less than top 10 class.

 

[Devo182]

Uh that would be depressing

I mean it could be - 2018 class is the hardest to swallow - Adrian Martinez looks to be a good one, Mays of course, and Dean and Horn were up there for freshman DBs of the year along with our guys (imagine if we had gotten all 4...). Hate to say it, but Butch actually had a pretty good class forming in 2018.

On the flipside, think about losing 5-star Hunter Johnson (transfer) or Austin Kendall (transfer), D'andre Christmas-Giles was supposed to be a hidden gem (1 tackle for Texas last year), etc. Or go way back and you have guys like Dylan Jackson (Maryville) and Cecil Cherry.

It just seems for every guy that goes somewhere else and we cry over it, about half the time they bust elsewhere anyway. Some will always hurt like Tee and Mays though. Ended up being good and should have been in PMS 151 orange.

 

[Devo182]

Interestingly enough, I can absolutely see us splitting both categories in reality.. 7-5 and the 11th ranked class

Seems most likely. But that is no fun in a thought experiment

 

[Devo182]

Losing to Vanderbilt was underperforming.

That Vandy team was a 9-4 Franklin team. They beat UGA and UF that year. They were far better than us. It was overperforming to even have nearly won it.