Gun control debate (merged)

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luthervol said:
So a person's right to not be harmed supersedes another person's right to a constitutionally guaranteed right. Got it.
That's always been my point.
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Your right to be harmed in no way supersedes any of my rights. No one has the right to harm another and when they do they should suffer the consequences. You are advocating for an innocent party to have their rights limited on the off chance you may be harmed by someone else.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
I ask this with no agenda or no trolling in mind. If one weapon is banned, how is that losing rights? It is simply losing the right to own that one weapon, correct? I am pretty sure I cannot own a SAM but I do not believe it the ban on them violates my rights.
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"shall not be infringed"

When the bill of Rights were signed, the people had the same arms as the military.
 
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hog88 said:
As long as society is doing it it’s ok to restrict them all the way to the re-education camps. Amiright
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It's always ultimately society. It was society that started this nation, it was society that wrote the constitution.
 
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luthervol said:
It's always ultimately society. It was society that started this nation, it was society that wrote the constitution.
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Then society can update the Constitution if society doesn’t like the gun laws or society can continue the current state. Those are the two options.

Oh wait my bad it’s not society that does that. The states are the entities that modify the constitution not a popular vote.
 
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hog88 said:
Actually it was a small group of individuals tired of the tyranny of English society that Wrote the Declaration of Independence and the constitution.
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Delegates chosen by society. You do know that society comes in multiple levels.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Then society can update the Constitution if society doesn’t like the gun laws or society can continue the current state. Those are the two options.

Oh wait my bad it’s not society that does that. The states are the entities that modify the constitution not a popular vote.
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Sure they can, and maybe eventually they will.
They can also work within the constraints of 2a to continue enacting rational and reasonable regulations and restrictions.
 
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luthervol said:
Delegates chosen by society. You do know that society comes in multiple levels.
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Nope once again the states appointed the original 70 representatives. We are a Constitutional Republic of which the states are the constituents, not the “society” general blah blah term you are passing off as a substitute for the popular vote.
 
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luthervol said:
Sure they can, and maybe eventually they will.
They can also work within the constraints of 2a to continue enacting rational and reasonable regulations and restrictions.
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Well until they, the states not society, chose to modify the constitution I’d guess you’ve got what you’ve got and we’re done talking! Toodles.
 
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hog88 said:
Yes Luther, we know that in your ideal society there would be a small group of elites deciding everything for us.
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You just claimed a small croup of elites wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Nope once again the states appointed the original 70 representatives. We are a Constitutional Republic of which the states are the constituents, not the “society” general blah blah term you are passing off as a substitute for the popular vote.
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lol.......The states appointed them? You do know those were actually people elected at the state level that did the appointing...right? No matter how you twist and turn, it's always ultimately the people who decide. That's a good thing, it's the only way it can be, I don't know why you guys are so terrified of that reality. Oh wait a second, I do know.
 
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hog88 said:
As long as society is doing it it’s ok to restrict them all the way to the re-education camps. Amiright
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There are restrictions. Too many, imo. There really is no need for "debate". Gun grabbers will never satiate their voracious appetite to restrict. 2A folks will fight for the constitutional rights with equal veracity.
 
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McDad said:
There are restrictions. Too many, imo. There really is no need for "debate". Gun grabbers will never satiate their voracious appetite to restrict. 2A folks will fight for the constitutional rights with equal veracity.
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Truth.
 
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hog88 said:
Yes but they didn’t force the people to go along with the DoI at the end of a gun and the constitution had to be ratified by vote. That is opposite of the way you would conduct business.
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It's really not the opposite of the way I would conduct business, it's exactly as I would conduct business. I support the rule of law.
 
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