Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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JAllen18 said:
There is a lot of talk that Trey smith will be cleared for Fall camp.
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If they’re letting him hit in spring, no doubt they’ll let him in the fall when the reps really matter.

I’ve been vocal that I don’t love it for him personally - hate the risk involved - but all we can hope is that the clots don’t come back.
 
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JAllen18 said:
There is a lot of talk that Trey smith will be cleared for Fall camp.
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Lets dream for a moment...

Morris, Smith, Kennedy, Calbert, Wright. with Carvin and JJ next man up would make me excited for OL play this fall. And sure, starting two OT's as freshman isn't ideal but at least they're 5stars and over 300lbs. That's a big beefy talented OL right there in those 5-7 guys. PLEASE happen.
 
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JAllen18 said:
Pruitt has also shown he can get a upset win or 2 as well. Very possible with 8 wins and 9 with the bowl.
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he has. and unforutnately, we still lost to Vandy and USCe too.

so we're still in that kinda purgatory right now not knowing what we have, really....that's just an observation not an indictment.

i like the direction we're headed in.

would really like to see us win a game we're not supposed to....and most/all of the ones we're supposed to...and see where that lands us in December.

but yeah, i agree...i think 8 is at least as doable as 7 looking at the schedule.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Lets dream for a moment...

Morris, Smith, Kennedy, Calbert, Wright. with Carvin and JJ next man up would make me excited for OL play this fall. And sure, starting two OT's as freshman isn't ideal but at least they're 5stars and over 300lbs. That's a big beefy talented OL right there in those 5-7 guys. PLEASE happen.
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that would allow guys like Locklear, Ryan Johnson and Tatum to do what they're probably supposed to do..........be depth players.

getting smith back would give the staff a ton of options.....would be huge.
 
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I don’t log in for a few hours today and see I’m behind 10 pages and think something happened.

Nope it’s 9 pages of GOT talk and 1 page of actual news.

GOT is a phenomenon that permeates almost all social outlets.
 
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jakez4ut said:
he has. and unforutnately, we still lost to Vandy and USCe too.

so we're still in that kinda purgatory right now not knowing what we have, really....that's just an observation not an indictment.

i like the direction we're headed in.

would really like to see us win a game we're not supposed to....and most/all of the ones we're supposed to...and see where that lands us in December.

but yeah, i agree...i think 8 is at least as doable as 7 looking at the schedule.
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As long as we make a bowl game and have another top 15ish class then i will take it.

I also think it depends on how we lose. If we go 6-6 and lose 5 games by 30 each time again...it’s a problem.

But even if we only go 6-6 and we lose to UGA, UF, BAma, etc by like a combined 30 then it’s a little different.
 
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HankHill said:
As long as we make a bowl game and have another top 15ish class then i will take it.

I also think it depends on how we lose. If we go 6-6 and lose 5 games by 30 each time again...it’s a problem.

But even if we only go 6-6 and we lose to UGA, UF, BAma, etc by like a combined 30 then it’s a little different.
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there's a lot i would "take" i guess....

just tired of floundering.

wanna see us do something no one expects. go win 8 or 9 games, beat FL or GA or Bama. sign a top 5 class.

not going to grab my pitchfork and torch if we don't....but man it'd be nice to be the toast of the town again....
 
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I'd rather see Carvin start at Center...I'm not sold on Kennedy and he'll be gone after one season either way.

He had the absolute worst blown assignment and only played in 1 game...


Either way Trey back puts the team in a far better spot, and despite the risk I think it could put him medically in a better spot. The biggest worry with his condition is throwing a clot and the best way to prevent/avoid that is to monitor and catch the clots early enough to break them up. Playing sports and having medical staff available all the time seems like a good way to keep monitoring it.
 
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Trey's situation is similar to last year. Medically clearing him means anticoagulants have dissolved the clots and prevented them from reappearing for at least six months, allowing him to assume the risk of seeing if an alternative treatment can work this time. It doesn't mean the doctors advise it; it just means the decision is his to make. He wants to play, so I hope he stays safe and clot-free.
 
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chargervol said:
Lord have mercy, seriously, what is it with you and Jones?
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Nothing didn’t let the wheels fall off the wagon here...he let the whole horse die.

That being said, i don’t think the roster can be used as an excuse for bad losses last year but then “expecting” at least 7-8 wins with the bulk majority those same guys. There’s just a lot of finger pointing at those players and not holding any coaching accountable.
 
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HankHill said:
Nothing didn’t let the wheels fall off the wagon here...he let the whole horse die.

That being said, i don’t think the roster can be used as an excuse for bad losses last year but then “expecting” at least 7-8 wins with the bulk majority those same guys. There’s just a lot of finger pointing at those players and not holding any coaching accountable.
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meh. the roster wasn't good. and what are you gonna do from an accountability standpoint for a group of coaches in year 1? Fair got fired and Helton got "placed". so there were "issues" addressed on the staff.

but the roster is an issue. it was big time last year. and it probably will be until at least next year, probably 21 if we're being honest....
 
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Ron Swanson said:
VQ podcast today...Simonton saying that Trey Smith is on multiple 1st Round NFL Draft mocks for next year and they're speculating that maybe word behind the scenes is that he's going to get cleared and play this fall. Would be nice for the Vols to get some monster good news like that.
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That’s a tough one because even if trey comes out and has a fantastic year, it’s hard for me to see a team spending a 1st rounder on a player with blood clot issues. I think he is a first round talent at guard not tackle. I wish he would go back to that.
 
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jakez4ut said:
meh. the roster wasn't good. and what are you gonna do from an accountability standpoint for a group of coaches in year 1? Fair got fired and Helton got "placed". so there were "issues" addressed on the staff.

but the roster is an issue. it was big time last year. and it probably will be until at least next year, probably 21 if we're being honest....
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I agree with you. There just needs to be accountability on both sides.
 
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HankHill said:
That’s a tough one because even if trey comes out and has a fantastic year, it’s hard for me to see a team spending a 1st rounder on a player with blood clot issues. I think he is a first round talent at guard not tackle. I wish he would go back to that.
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if he does come back, i'd think they'd stick with Wanya at LT, and put Smith at LG don't you?
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I'd rather see Carvin start at Center...I'm not sold on Kennedy and he'll be gone after one season either way.

He had the absolute worst blown assignment and only played in 1 game...


Either way Trey back puts the team in a far better spot, and despite the risk I think it could put him medically in a better spot. The biggest worry with his condition is throwing a clot and the best way to prevent/avoid that is to monitor and catch the clots early enough to break them up. Playing sports and having medical staff available all the time seems like a good way to keep monitoring it.
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I have no idea what's going on here but from what I read these clots generally form in the legs and end up in the lungs after first returning to the heart. The blood flows from the heart to lungs to pick up oxygen and then back to the heart to fan out through the rest of the body and then eventually returns to the heart to start all over again. The blood clots typically form due to prolonged periods of inactivity. I'm speculating obviously but the reason I think Trey can do all strength conditioning and lite contact drills is the activity is necessary for him. The reason he's restricted from full contact is I'm guessing he may be on thinners and any injury that might induce bleeding would be much more serious if clotting is being inhibited by medication.

I'm not aware of any cure, only of treatment and prevention and the biggest component of prevention seems to be activity. I read that most people who have what appears to be his condition don't even know it. Anyway, I think the reason that he had to quit last year is because they're monitoring him and when the clots come back he has to go back on thinners to break up the clots. I don't think it's a condition that can't be managed with close monitoring and treatment when necessary but I can't find anything that suggests there's a cure. I imagine the only inactivity he has is sitting in class or sleeping at night, stuff like that.

I'm led to believe that football is not causing his condition and in fact is probably good for him - except when he has to be on thinners. jmo.
 
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HankHill said:
I agree with you. There just needs to be accountability on both sides.
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i think there was. the roster is what it is, and will be a slower turn around than the staff.

i think we upgraded the staff a lot this off season and i like the moves they made with Weinke and Johnson. and i think we have a nice infusion of talent for this cycle....just not enough of it yet.
 
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I am very torn about the Trey Smith situation. I understand that doing pretty much anything involves some risk, but I hope Trey makes the decision (if it is his to make) that is best for his health long-term. I would love to see him play, but not if it means an increased risk of the already many risks that just come with playing football.
 
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