2020 Presidential Race

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0nelilreb said:
If Gandalf turns out to be Bern .. we are all F’ed. Just my two pennies worth . Lol
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I'm not claiming anyone is Gandalf, that is an insult to the character. I'm just saying that when you think things are hopeless and falling apart around you, there is always hope. Even when you think it is the darkest of times.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I'm not claiming anyone is Gandalf, that is an insult to the character. I'm just saying that when you think things are hopeless and falling apart around you, there is always hope. Even when you think it is the darkest of times.
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I’m still waiting on the gloom , despair , hopelessness , and the falling apart to start . Let’s take a really short Q&A here ( I promise it will be short ) .. raise your hand if you’ve lost ANYTHING since Trump was elected .
Edit : quick side note .. economic growth surpassed expectations this year and is now 3.2 %
 
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Kingston Vol said:
1) is the biggest one
2) people didn’t like either candidate but thought it would be funny to vote for Trump to burn the house down
3) 30 years of anti-Hillary conservative propaganda worked
4) Russian targeted social media propaganda worked
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1. Nobody thought it would be funny to burn the house down.
2. That is completely false.
3. Again completely false.

You guys are dooming yourselves to failure again unless you wake up and realize what really happened here. Republican primary voters were sick and tired of the same candidate by a different name running and absolutely sick to death of the Bush family so Trump was a breath of fresh air. Brash and didn't back down. So he won the nomination. You guys nominated the worst possible candidate to run in 2016, Hillary is the epitome of the Washington political elite and vast swaths of the country was not going to put up with that anymore. Not to mention she was so arrogant that she decided she didn't need to campaign in WI and MI. And now it appears you guys will take a hard swing left which will not play well in middle America.

Y'all can keep living in denial about what really happened and keep losing or wake up.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I’m still waiting on the gloom , despair , hopelessness , and the falling apart to start . Let’s take a really short Q&A here ( I promise it will be short ) .. raise your hand if you’ve lost ANYTHING since Trump was elected .
Edit : quick side note .. economic growth surpassed expectations this year and is now 3.2 %
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I raised my hand, I was not sure if you could see it.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
What would help the middle class more than Medicare for all and mandatory paid leave?
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The government getting out of their way would be the biggest help of all. Medicare for all will not help the middle class, they have insurance already. Mandatory paid leave will just make it harder for certain segments to find middle class jobs.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
To be honest, and I think we all can admit this is true: the real reason Trump is President is because Hillary was a really bad candidate.

The are other things that contributed to it - but any other candidate likely beats Trump soundly.
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Not any other candidate but yes a middle of the road dem would have wiped the floor with Trump.
 
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hog88 said:
1. Nobody thought it would be funny to burn the house down.
2. That is completely false.
3. Again completely false.

You guys are dooming yourselves to failure again unless you wake up and realize what really happened here. Republican primary voters were sick and tired of the same candidate by a different name running and absolutely sick to death of the Bush family so Trump was a breath of fresh air. Brash and didn't back down. So he won the nomination. You guys nominated the worst possible candidate to run in 2016, Hillary is the epitome of the Washington political elite and vast swaths of the country was not going to put up with that anymore. Not to mention she was so arrogant that she decided she didn't need to campaign in WI and MI. And now it appears you guys will take a hard swing left which will not play well in middle America.

Y'all can keep living in denial about what really happened and keep losing or wake up.
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If you’ll read a couple posts down, you’ll see I said that Hillary being a bad candidate was the biggest part of it.

She was a terrible candidate - mostly because her favorability scores with independents was really bad and because she was under FBI investigation. Whether she deserved the former is subject to opinion, but the fact remains that it was true. 30 years of Fox News painting her as the antichrist was really effective. The DNC should not have handed her the nomination and moreover should not have discouraged other people from running last go around - Biden, Booker, Warren come to mind there.

But with all that said, she still won the popular vote by 3M votes. I know that’s not what matters - and Trump won the Midwest so he got to be president. But let’s not pretend he was a “favorable” choice then and his unfavorables are much worse now.

If the Dems nominate ANYONE that is semi-likeable and can relate to the old white Michiganers and Wisconsinites, that candidate should win.
 
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hog88 said:
The government getting out of their way would be the biggest help of all. Medicare for all will not help the middle class, they have insurance already. Mandatory paid leave will just make it harder for certain segments to find middle class jobs.
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We’re just going to disagree here. I worked in healthcare for many years and it was my findings that anyone who is happy with private insurance are those who don’t have to use it.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
If you’ll read a couple posts down, you’ll see I said that Hillary being a bad candidate was the biggest part of it.

She was a terrible candidate - mostly because her favorability scores with independents was really bad and because she was under FBI investigation. Whether she deserved the former is subject to opinion, but the fact remains that it was true. 30 years of Fox News painting her as the antichrist was really effective. The DNC should not have handed her the nomination and moreover should not have discouraged other people from running last go around - Biden, Booker, Warren come to mind there.

But with all that said, she still won the popular vote by 3M votes. I know that’s not what matters - and Trump won the Midwest so he got to be president. But let’s not pretend he was a “favorable” choice then and his unfavorables are much worse now.

If the Dems nominate ANYONE that is semi-likeable and can relate to the old white Michiganers and Wisconsinites, that candidate should win.
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If the economy keeps chugging along it will be immensely harder for an opponent to unseat him in 2020 than it would have been to simply beat him in 2016. Trump isn't as unpopular as you think or keep hearing on MSM.
 
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luthervol said:
What I lost.......A little faith in the human condition and a positive short term outlook for our country and the world general.
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So you lost hope based on perception .. noted .
Edit : I’m going to go out on a limb and say if I receive any more answers they will most likely resemble you answer also .
 
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zeppelin128 said:
No, it is completely false. Disagree with the policies, that is fine, but most of the progressives running are trying to help the working class.
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Except the proven results of those policies actually kill off the middle class. The saying **** Rolls Downhill is very true when it comes to taxation.
 
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hog88 said:
If the economy keeps chugging along it will be immensely harder for an opponent to unseat him in 2020 than it would have been to simply beat him in 2016. Trump isn't as unpopular as you think or keep hearing on MSM.
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I don’t think so. Obama revitalized the economy and the extension of him - Hillary - didn’t get the benefit of it.

This is all going to come down to how the candidate makes the electorate “feel” and more recent polls have Trump trending down in that category - both in his own favorable ratings and when asked if the country is headed in the right direction.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
No, it is completely false. Disagree with the policies, that is fine, but most of the progressives running are trying to help the working class.
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If this is true then we can expect to see them addressing a room full of coal miners in West Virginia and answering their questions they have about their jobs . Just like Hillary did .
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I don’t think so. Obama revitalized the economy and the extension of him - Hillary - didn’t get the benefit of it.

This is all going to come down to how the candidate makes the electorate “feel” and more recent polls have Trump trending down in that category - both in his own favorable ratings and when asked if the country is headed in the right direction.
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Not really. He actually neutered it. We should of been booming a long time ago.
 
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Here’s a question: do you all think it would be helpful or harmful ~politically~ for the House Democrats to impeach Trump? I’m asking specifically related to 2020.
 
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