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jwells said:
Yeah, they were. Almost all of the money from the athletic fee went (and still goes) to women's athletics.
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Find physical evidence to prove to me they were always free....


The number of students attending the games has dropped, why charge for them now? Everyone on campus is STILL paying for tickets to games they don't go to. Everyone on campus is charged the same 250...but only a small percent of students actually attend. So tell me then, what is the money going for if not for student admission to university sports events?
 
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#77
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jwells said:
I know...i'm sorry. All those facts getting in the way of emotion. I heard that Mike Hamilton is going to charge for bball tickets. Too late to add fees, so that's why they're cutting academic programs. We're gonna sell the Auditory and Speech bldg to pay for them.
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They've been cutting all across campus. You can access the 2007 budget at the library. Compare it to past years. In the library itself, they've cut the number of student workers nearly in half...that says nothing for what they've done everywhere else on campus.
 
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Volswithboobs said:
No, not totally. Seriously, take a peek at the budget-I have. The campus provides more for the athletes than anyone else. While Andy Holt apartments are literally falling apart, Greeve Hall is equipped with the finest amenities-and yes, this comes out of the University's pocket. The meals they receive in their food court are of much higher quality than that the other students receive. Etc, etc, etc....They spend thousands of dollars on these athletes in addition to the money they raise themselves. The sports programs ARE indeed part of the University in that they would not exist (As I have already stated) without the foundation of the school (aka the academic programs).

As far as scholarships etc, there are many sources of funding that the University uses. Check it out, you may be surprised just how much of it doesn't come from the AD.

As for all the good the program does for Knoxville, I've never denied the revenue it has brought to the city...but it's obvious that the city is still a dump. Also, I didn't say that it WAS depriving students of education..I said it shouldn't. Big difference.
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Greeve is not limited to athletes. It's a male dorm that anyone can apply for. You can even go eat in the cafeteria there, just have to have the appropriate meal plan. Andy Holt apartments are old, but they're a service supplied to those who wish to live on campus, and pay way more for a crappy apartment than it's worth. My much nicer place is probably 75.00 cheaper a month.

Sure, athletics wouldn't exist without the university, but the athletic department runs itself. Financially self-sufficient.

Most athletic scholarships are given by charitable donations from athletic supporters. They're called stuff like the "Mr. and Mrs. Joe America Scholarship Fund." That's where those VASF donations go.

Knoxville is getting better. Until recently, no one cared about downtown. They just moved further west, away from the worse-off areas. There's been an amazing revitalization of downtown lately. Just in the past 6 years, I've noticed a big difference. It's not there, but it's getting better.
 
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Volswithboobs said:
Find physical evidence to prove to me they were always free....


The number of students attending the games has dropped, why charge for them now? Everyone on campus is STILL paying for tickets to games they don't go to. Everyone on campus is charged the same 250...but only a small percent of students actually attend. So tell me then, what is the money going for if not for student admission to university sports events?
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Hamilton explains reasons for charging students for football tickets : Football : GoVolsXtra.com

All full-time students pay a mandatory $250 program-and-services fee, which helps fund several facilities and programs, such as the University Center, Student Health Services and the Student Government Association. It will remain in effect.
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Tennessee’s men’s athletic department receives no money from student fees, and $1 million from the student program-and-services fee goes to help fund the women’s athletic department.
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I promise that NONE of your activity fee goes towards football. I promise that ALL of that NONE goes towards the Men's Athletic Department. The idea that somehow the fee gets you tickets is laughable. It's a bonus...lip-service...tacked on to sweeten the deal. The tickets were provided to students, free of charge. I don't understand that if the AD receives NO money (by no, I mean zero) how then, do we supposedly somehow pay for football tickets...
 
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jwells said:
Greeve is not limited to athletes. It's a male dorm that anyone can apply for. You can even go eat in the cafeteria there, just have to have the appropriate meal plan. Andy Holt apartments are old, but they're a service supplied to those who wish to live on campus, and pay way more for a crappy apartment than it's worth. My much nicer place is probably 75.00 cheaper a month.

Sure, athletics wouldn't exist without the university, but the athletic department runs itself. Financially self-sufficient.

Most athletic scholarships are given by charitable donations from athletic supporters. They're called stuff like the "Mr. and Mrs. Joe America Scholarship Fund." That's where those VASF donations go.

Knoxville is getting better. Until recently, no one cared about downtown. They just moved further west, away from the worse-off areas. There's been an amazing revitalization of downtown lately. Just in the past 6 years, I've noticed a big difference. It's not there, but it's getting better.
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Rooms in Greeve are given to athletes over non-athletes...hence they are called the "athletic dorms." Some people cannot live off campus, so they are forced to take the crap that UT hands them.

The athletic department, whether you agree or not, does receive a percentage of financial backing from the University-there are ways to do so that don't involve outright writing a check.

You didn't specify "athletic" scholarships....and neither did I.

The "revitalization of downtown" is a huge joke. Look at what Chattanooga has done. They came from where we are now to creating a gorgeous city. The fort is the best example of Knoxville's shabbiness. Beautiful, beautiful homes in need of serious renovation because they're going to ruin and when they do they'll take huge chunks of Knoxville history with them.
 
#84
#84
Volswithboobs said:
Some of classroom buildings still don't even have a/c...Ayers has a few window units and that's about it. Not even all of its rooms have them.
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Because they're old. And it costs a fortune to renovate. And the state just reduced our budget by $11.1 million. And there are already other projects that must be done first. They remodeled a ton of buildings already, built a new Glocker, added a wing full of technology to the Claxton building, etc. The budget doesn't allow for a mass remodel, and neither do logistics. They're building a new music building soon. That's a lot of kids displaced. The Glocker renovations meant I took history classes in the Aeronautics and Space building, as well as some random other science buildings.

If they were to renovate all buildings with problems, we'd need a damn fortune, and they'd have to close the school for 2 years.
 
#85
#85
downtown is my fav place to hangout here.. they have done a great job and more on the way
 
#86
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jwells said:
Hamilton explains reasons for charging students for football tickets : Football : GoVolsXtra.com





I promise that NONE of your activity fee goes towards football. I promise that ALL of that NONE goes towards the Men's Athletic Department. The idea that somehow the fee gets you tickets is laughable. It's a bonus...lip-service...tacked on to sweeten the deal. The tickets were provided to students, free of charge. I don't understand that if the AD receives NO money (by no, I mean zero) how then, do we supposedly somehow pay for football tickets...
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Seriously do some math....calculate the money that the average student actually USES of their programs and services fees. I guarantee you it isn't 250 dollars worth. The only way the majority of students who do spend that money is through healthcare and football/basketball games...but that still does not account for the 250 that UT receives from students who never make use of the services that this money provides for them-they are an overwhelming percentage of the student population.
 
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Volswithboobs said:
Rooms in Greeve are given to athletes over non-athletes...hence they are called the "athletic dorms." Some people cannot live off campus, so they are forced to take the crap that UT hands them.

The athletic department, whether you agree or not, does receive a percentage of financial backing from the University-there are ways to do so that don't involve outright writing a check.

You didn't specify "athletic" scholarships....and neither did I.

The "revitalization of downtown" is a huge joke. Look at what Chattanooga has done. They came from where we are now to creating a gorgeous city. The fort is the best example of Knoxville's shabbiness. Beautiful, beautiful homes in need of serious renovation because they're going to ruin and when they do they'll take huge chunks of Knoxville history with them.
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Chattanooga got a head start. No one here cared when they started up.

The Fort is crappy because the owners of those homes know that they can rent them for obscene amounts without worrying about renovations or upkeep. The convenience outweighs spending money on renovation.

The ceiling in our hallway collapsed when I lived in the Fort. The owner said they'd just fix it after we moved out. The wiring was not code. Again, unfixed. Our ceiling fan caught fire...they removed the wireless remotes. Still had plate glass, old appliances. A real crap place. BUT, it was 1400.00 a month, because of where it was. Renovating it wouldn't help him make money.
 
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jwells said:
Because they're old. And it costs a fortune to renovate. And the state just reduced our budget by $11.1 million. And there are already other projects that must be done first. They remodeled a ton of buildings already, built a new Glocker, added a wing full of technology to the Claxton building, etc. The budget doesn't allow for a mass remodel, and neither do logistics. They're building a new music building soon. That's a lot of kids displaced. The Glocker renovations meant I took history classes in the Aeronautics and Space building, as well as some random other science buildings.

If they were to renovate all buildings with problems, we'd need a damn fortune, and they'd have to close the school for 2 years.
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Cry me a river-you had to take classes in other buildings? How about this...I have to take my psych classes in buildings all over campus. I've even had to take them on the agricultural campus. We don't have our own classroom building.

Why rebuild Glocker while constructing 2-3 new buildings when there are buildings in need of serious maintenance right now???? The library is so pathetic I've had to help put tarps over the books just to keep them dry when it rains.
 
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Volswithboobs said:
Seriously do some math....calculate the money that the average student actually USES of their programs and services fees. I guarantee you it isn't 250 dollars worth. The only way the majority of students who do spend that money is through healthcare and football/basketball games...but that still does not account for the 250 that UT receives from students who never make use of the services that this money provides for them-they are an overwhelming percentage of the student population.
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That's because the student services fee is socialism-lite. The masses pay for what the few use. You may not visit the clinic, but some kid visits twice a week. You may never use the UC, but people are meeting in there all the time. It has to stay open.

It doesn't matter if you get your money's worth. UT needs that much to operate the services that are available. NONE of that 250 goes in any way, shape, or form to the men's athletic department. If it did, someone would be going to jail for cooking the books. I can't say it in any more different ways. NONE OF THE 250.00 ACTIVITIES FEE GOES TO MEN'S ATHLETICS. However, to take advantage of the free service provided by the men's a.d., you must have paid the fee that supports the university. Why would they give you access to benefits if you weren't paying to support student services and the donation to women's athletics?

1.1 million or so goes to women's athletics. If you want to complain about wasting money, time to start going to every women's game you can.
 
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DowntownVol said:
Exactly. It looks pretty damned bad when you're now charging students for tickets while Fulmer gets raises and extensions and starts 1-3. Personally, I'm glad that some enterprising, ballsy students did this.
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Good Post! Phil is making 2.4 mil a year and students are struggling to pay their school tuition. At the very least Phil should win!
 
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jwells said:
I promise that NONE of your activity fee goes towards football. I promise that ALL of that NONE goes towards the Men's Athletic Department. The idea that somehow the fee gets you tickets is laughable. It's a bonus...lip-service...tacked on to sweeten the deal. The tickets were provided to students, free of charge. I don't understand that if the AD receives NO money (by no, I mean zero) how then, do we supposedly somehow pay for football tickets...
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You don't have to be an :shaking2: about it.
 
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jwells said:
1.1 million or so goes to women's athletics. If you want to complain about wasting money, time to start going to every women's game you can.
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It goes to both women's and men's...like I said, they don't provide for the men anywhere near the extent to which they provide for women's athletics. It is in the school's best interest to support the athletic teams (both men's and women's).
 
#93
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Volswithboobs said:
It goes to both women's and men's...like I said, they don't provide for the men anywhere near the extent to which they provide for women's athletics. It is in the school's best interest to support the athletic teams (both men's and women's).
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It is?
 
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Vol4ever said:
Good Post! Phil is making 2.4 mil a year and students are struggling to pay their school tuition. At the very least Phil should win!
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The economy goes down the drain and Phil gets a raise just as he rides into the start of the most disappointing season I've ever seen.....lol I have to laugh at that.
 
#97
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Volswithboobs said:
Cry me a river-you had to take classes in other buildings? How about this...I have to take my psych classes in buildings all over campus. I've even had to take them on the agricultural campus. We don't have our own classroom building.

Why rebuild Glocker while constructing 2-3 new buildings when there are buildings in need of serious maintenance right now???? The library is so pathetic I've had to help put tarps over the books just to keep them dry when it rains.
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I never said it bothered me to travel around for class. I just mentioned that it's what happened. There's no "history building" either. I've taken classes from the Ag Campus to Jesse Harris. About as far apart as possible. It happens. Glocker was worse than possibly every other building on campus. It was a dump. Ayers looks like the Hilton compared to the seedy roadside motel that Glocker was.

You will learn everything you need to know by looking at the Master Plan.
http://www.pp.utk.edu/MasterPlan2.pdf

It puts out, in order, which facilities, roads, parking garages, public areas, etc will be worked on, as well as the cost. Ayres Hall is third on the list. Check out page 16.

It's easy to point out old, outdated buildings on campus and argue they need to be updated. It's hard to get the state to pony up the $134 million dollars we need to do it all at once. We are in budget cuts...I doubt the great state of Tennessee is in a position to give a 134,000,000 check to one campus of one state school, all at once.

I'm assuming you've never heard of the Master Plan, or have been around long enough to see how bad the stuff they're fixing now was. Glocker was beyond saving. Some of the guys here might have been around when Glocker was in as bad shape as Ayers...they're probably 20 years older than me, though.
 
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SuperVol said:
You don't have to be an :shaking2: about it.
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I just don't know how to reiterate the point any different. None of the money goes to men's athletics. If it did, and they say it didn't, someone would have found that in the extensive audits of the university.

They audited and investigated past band directors over stuff like selling tapes of the band. I promise that under-the-table donations to the men's athletic department would not go un-noticed.
 
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Vol4ever said:
Good Post! Phil is making 2.4 mil a year and students are struggling to pay their school tuition. At the very least Phil should win!
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You could argue that the purchase of tickets is a problem in the face of raises to a coaching staff that isn't performing. However, you can't argue that it has anything to do with the academic side.
 
#100
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sm0k3 said:
That's pathetic, yah, that will make them want to win, seeing a sign that basically says you suck.... whoever likes this picture isn't a fan, nor a fan of college football, that makes me sick, and it's pathetic. If i was a recruit and saw that, i would want to go to florida so i could kick the **** out of this team every year....pathetic, makes me sick.....
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What was making all of the good players go to Florida/UGA/LSU/Bama/Auburn before this season? :unsure:
 
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