Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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ChattaTNVol said:
One of the things LWS has suggested in the past is that we have not had a commitment to building winning programs. Obviously he was talking more about football and I thought he was speaking largely in financial terms. We just wouldn’t spend any money. Well, maybe the wind has shifted just a bit. I think this sends the right message and I think the right people will notice. We’re going to compete with the best.

Say Pruitt in the next 2-3 years has us consistently winning 8-10 games per year. He’d have sort of restored some stability to the program and as a minimum we’d no longer be the joke of the nation. I mean I think he’s going to have to build a strong and solid foundation before he will ever have a shot from a recruiting aspect of returning our top-to-bottom talent level back to the top of the conference. It will take a while but he has a chance to do it. Say Saban finally retires and Alabama comes calling. If Pruitt at all wants to stay and if we at all want to keep him, if the guys in charge now are still here, one thing Alabama can probably count on, they may be able to get him but no way they’re going to get him cheap.

We’ve talked about this in this forum every coaching search for a while now. We’re one of the very top schools in the country in terms of athletic department revenues but for some reason we’ve long been shy about “overpaying” for a coaching staff so the sweet deals for the best coaches were often to be had at some school with substantially less revenue and resources than what we have.

Whether Barnes wins another game here or not one good thing I see coming out of this today is that our administration has let it be known that in the proverbial coaching carousel season, we now come to the table with as many, if not more, stacks of high society as anyone else. In that regard, at least for now, I think we’re moving in the right direction. For once the whiners and cheapskates lost. We’re now at least a little bit outside of our comfort zone, finally. jmo.
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I was thinking along similar lines. As crazy as all this has been, it could prove to send a very strong message to recruits (and families) that we are as committed as anyone to compete with the blue bloods. Barnes appears to be on the path of retirement here (5-7) more years, great facilities, passionate fan base, AD support, coupled with proven player/program growth.

What feels like bad publicity could be spun to pull top tier talent. Just a thought. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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millst987 said:
Has any UT AD ever had the backs of the fan base more than Philip Fulmer? The dude has done so much for Tennessee athletics, we’re lucky to have him.
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Yep. I love what he did because it takes the fanbase crazies out of the conversation for a while. We’ve committed to Barnes (a proven commodity if there ever was one) and Barnes can now weather the “storm” the fanbase nuts will want to create out of the inevitable modest rebuild from last year.

I’m very optimistic for what this means for football. Sounds like Fulmer will move decisively the moment Pruitt shows sustained promise.

No more letting coaches die on a vine early in their tenures while the nuts eat them alive, provide fodder to our conference opponents in recruiting and destroy every possibility of sustained success.

Stability. We’re going to love it regardless of what the crazies say.
 
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JacketVol said:
Nailed it. I won’t come down from my anger for awhile. I lost a lot of respect for him.
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Why though? He wanted more money and security for him and his new assistant(s). You cant be peacocking football spending in front of all your other sports coaches especially the ones that are way more successful, and not do much for them. This is a learning experience for fulmer too.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Yep, he's lost a significant amount of his equity.
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You guys are amazing..... He did exactly what any rational person would have done. Sad you people don't understand the real world and never take off your orange tinted glasses. I said it last night, after this was leaked by UCLA and there were negotiations he should have left as too many on VN are unrealistic and will never "forgive" him.

Want to see the problems at Tennessee, much of VN should look in the mirror.
 
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HankHill said:
Why though? He wanted more money and security for him and his new assistant(s). You cant be peacocking football spending in front of all your other sports coaches especially the ones that are way more successful, and not do much for them. This is a learning experience for fulmer too.
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I’m pretty much fine with it, now that the dust has settled
 
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JohnD13 said:
You guys are amazing..... He did exactly what any rational person would have done. Sad you people don't understand the real world and never take off your orange tinted glasses. I said it last night, after this was leaked by UCLA and there were negotiations he should have left as too many on VN are unrealistic and will never "forgive" him.

Want to see the problems at Tennessee, much of VN should look in the mirror.
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Lol. You are clueless. It's not what he did, it's how he went about it. Maybe you should look around at other programs and see when their head coaches hold guns to their heads for more money, in a Public way. Many thought Barnes was lifer here. All he did was show he's a hired gun. That's fine for him. That's also fine for fans to view him that way. I'm sorry if you can't see that.
 
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Devo182 said:
fulmer has overpaid for every coach, oc, dc since he arrived. maybe he sees long term return in stability and winning. maybe it works or implodes. better work out or we'll be in the red
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Hopefully the buyouts are low for Tennessee but high for coaches. That would offset it imo. Too much money with SECN to go in the red as long as we dont have multiyear buyouts on top of contracts, which was the result of the cheap method.
 
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