Crompton Turnaround

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Crompton made dramatic improvement as did Peterman when he went to Pitt. Sometimes the confidence and mechanics just click with excellent coaching and there is a complete turnaround. JG has some skills - he is unquestionably tough but can he take a next step forward from quarterbacking the worst team in the SEC to one of the better teams? Also will his offensive line give him a chance to compete? If experience and determination are key elements of improvement - I look for JG to take a step up. Comparisons to other qbs given team talent differential, etc. may not be fair at all to JG. I will say if Chaney and Pruitt can field a competitive SEC offense in 2019 that is some commendable work for sure. They have lost to injury some potentially super offensive linemen like Trey Smith, Chance Hall and another white guard - can't remember name. Rough luck as building SEC quality depth in both lines has been a major challenge.
 
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sjt18 said:
And others came because he didn't do his job right. Maybe if they'd had a QB who could read D's, make good decisions, and manage a pocket... the OL would have had the confidence to play differently including not allowing sacks? I'm not actually suggesting that as a serious contribution to their failures... just showing that it is just as ridiculous to use the OL as a big blanket to cover JG's shortcomings.


Why do you guys keep making excuses rather than just acknowledging that both JG and the OL need to make MAJOR improvement?
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Peyton Manning, Arron Rodgers, Tim Brady, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisburger. All of those guys can read defenses and manage the pocket. Throughout their careers they have struggled. Typically it’s when their OL plays poorly.

Nobody is saying that JG doesn’t need improvement. Many of us are saying that the OL is more to blame than he is. And that’s just common sense. Why this fact eludes you is baffling. Like I have said, multiple sports analysts even mentioned how horrid our OL has been.
 
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JG is mediocre at best

He is a poor athlete and has both physical and mental weaknesses that can be exploited by opposing defenses.

That being said, if we were able to run the football he would be much more successful.
 
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EZE said:
If Crompton is the standard...then we are in trouble. Even as a senior, he was at best a game manager.
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I believe that Weinke moved from running back coach to Quarterback coach
That is a step in the right direction. Next JG needs some real development
 
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Admiral_Goatfield said:
JG is mediocre at best

He is a poor athlete and has both physical and mental weaknesses that can be exploited by opposing defenses.

That being said, if we were able to run the football he would be much more successful.
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SMH, never understand some fans that can’t get that through their heads. Why in the world would they support the starting quarterback, when he clearly has so many deficiencies? Needs to be benched, even before anyone has seen if he has made progress this year.
 
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Orangeredblooded said:
SMH, never understand some fans that can’t get that through their heads. Why in the world would they support the starting quarterback, when he clearly has so many deficiencies? Needs to be benched, even before anyone has seen if he has made progress this year.
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Maybe people don't agree because y'all are both wrong and obviously ignorant about situation.
 
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Admiral_Goatfield said:
I'm ignorant about the situation because I don't kiss JG's ass. Got it.

I never said he needs to be benched, but you can't deny that JG's game is majorly flawed.
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Yea you are obviously. Needs to work on somethings? Sure. Almost every college qb needs to.

Majorly flawed? Nah. What is his major flaw or flaws you speak of?
 
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k-town_king said:
Not always on here. There are many who believe what you said.
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Oh course they do, that’s why I posted that garbage. If JG is the starter, I’ll support, same if it were anyone else that wears the orange, regardless who is named the starter at any position.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Peyton Manning, Arron Rodgers, Tim Brady, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisburger. All of those guys can read defenses and manage the pocket. Throughout their careers they have struggled. Typically it’s when their OL plays poorly.

Nobody is saying that JG doesn’t need improvement. Many of us are saying that the OL is more to blame than he is. And that’s just common sense. Why this fact eludes you is baffling. Like I have said, multiple sports analysts even mentioned how horrid our OL has been.
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The OL was 6th in sacks allowed last year. That's not "horrid". I'd love to find some hurries and knock down stats for UT and the SEC... but like the "drops" stat people throw around here... I haven't found a source.

I don't know how much of the blame lies where. Some is his fault. Some is their fault. Much of it... you'd have to know the design of the play and who failed. On the stuff that seems more obvious to me... he is at fault around the same amount as the OL's. When you get middle pressure coming... you have to see it and get the ball out in a hurry. Based on JG's interview a few weeks back, "hot reads" like this have been a point of emphasis. He hasn't executed them well in his first two years which has contributed to him getting hit too often AND has made the OL look worse.

No. It isn't "common sense". The QB on every play will make decisions that impact every other player on the field. If he was not allowed by the past two staffs to make line adjustments as his comments seem to suggest... that isn't an OL problem. For whatever reasons, the previous coaches didn't trust him to do it. Some is likely coaching... some though is on him and especially as a 3rd year player having sat behind Dobbs who did it... and having been coached by 3 different guys who needed/wanted JG to do it.
 
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k-town_king said:
Yea you are obviously. Needs to work on somethings? Sure. Almost every college qb needs to.

Majorly flawed? Nah. What is his major flaw or flaws you speak of?
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LOL... as if those haven't been spelled out for you numerous times by numerous people... but you still "can't see them". You even accuse people of being redundant with them.

FTR... again:

Either unable or not trusted to make line adjustments- major flaw.
Not trusted to make hot throws and especially to the short middle- major flaw.
Slow making decisions- holds the ball when it should be out as soon as his back foot is planted- major flaw.
Doesn't make good presnap reads to recognize pressure, D alignments, and opportunities- at least a medium flaw.


Now you can go into your normal handwaving and blind faith denial about how I'm lying and none of that is true and why it is all someone else's fault.
 
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sjt18 said:
LOL... as if those haven't been spelled out for you numerous times by numerous people... but you still "can't see them". You even accuse people of being redundant with them.

FTR... again:

Either unable or not trusted to make line adjustments- major flaw.
Not trusted to make hot throws and especially to the short middle- major flaw.
Slow making decisions- holds the ball when it should be out as soon as his back foot is planted- major flaw.
Doesn't make good presnap reads to recognize pressure, D alignments, and opportunities- at least a medium flaw.


Now you can go into your normal handwaving and blind faith denial about how I'm lying and none of that is true and why it is all someone else's fault.
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So a bunch of things that have been proven false?

Just as I thought.

He didn't make the presnap line adjustments. Nothing about that has anything to do with his ability. Most college qbs do not. Especially when you have a first time oc who is uber conservative.

No way to twist the FACT he didn't make the line calls into a flaw. The FACT is the blocking adjustments and missed assignments had 0% to do with him.

The "hot throws middle of the field" is something you literally made up to complain about when your other narratives kept being proven wrong. That is not an issue at all. Literally not one professional has ever mentioned that when analyzing JG. If they have brought it up post even one link.

The last word salad paragraph pretty much was presnap line adjustments. He wasn't in charge of that.

If you are talking d recognition post snap or reading coverage he is great at that. The numbers are the evidence. Lowest int rate and most passes without an int. Good rating. High ypa.


So once again name one MAJOR flaw. You don't have the numbers he did with major flaws. Lmao. Try again. You need some new material. Maybe you can make up some other fake argument that is not stat based you can repeat ad nauseam in an effort to justify your bias.

I will give you credit though. Everytime one of your narratives is proven wrong you create some new dig that can't be proven or disproved without someone going back and watching all the games.

Brilliant troll strategy.
 
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k-town_king said:
So a bunch of things that have been proven false?

Just as I thought.

He didn't make the presnap line adjustments. Nothing about that has anything to do with his ability. Most college qbs do not. Especially when you have a first time oc who is uber conservative.

No way to twist the FACT he didn't make the line calls into a flaw. The FACT is the blocking adjustments and missed assignments had 0% to do with him.

The "hot throws middle of the field" is something you literally made up to complain about when your other narratives kept being proven wrong. That is not an issue at all. Literally not one professional has ever mentioned that when analyzing JG. If they have brought it up post even one link.

The last word salad paragraph pretty much was presnap line adjustments. He wasn't in charge of that.

If you are talking d recognition post snap or reading coverage he is great at that. The numbers are the evidence. Lowest int rate and most passes without an int. Good rating. High ypa.


So once again name one MAJOR flaw. You don't have the numbers he did with major flaws. Lmao. Try again. You need some new material. Maybe you can make up some other fake argument that is not stat based you can repeat ad nauseam in an effort to justify your bias.

I will give you credit though. Everytime one of your narratives is proven wrong you create some new dig that can't be proven or disproved without someone going back and watching all the games.

Brilliant troll strategy.
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Wrong.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Wrong.
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Nice rebuttal. You really proved your point. 🙃🙃🙃🙃

He stated in an article we all discussed that this will be the first year of calling line adjustments.

Most college qbs do not unless they are senior or redshirt Jr who has started multiple years already.

Jg will be a rsJr. He will make the calls.

I'm right like usual.
 
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k-town_king said:
Nice rebuttal. You really proved your point. 🙃🙃🙃🙃

He stated in an article we all discussed that this will be the first year of calling line adjustments.

Most college qbs do not unless they are senior or redshirt Jr who has started multiple years already.

Jg will be a rsJr. He will make the calls.

I'm right like usual.
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I simply made a statement of correct or incorrect as a response to a statement that you made as fact with no backup. That particular statement was wrong the first time you made it about 1000 times ago.

To the bold as a stipulation, I have to laugh.
 
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ButchPlz said:
This thread sucks.
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I thought Jonathan was a great example of what a change in coaching can do for a kid. He was tough and did the best he could with what he had. Damn near beat AL which hasn't been done in forever. To make a thread simply to bash him should give you a good insight into the OP.
 
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k-town_king said:
So a bunch of things that have been proven false?
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You are indicative of a problem that plagues our society. You think that if you believe something then it makes someone a liar... or immoral... or hateful... or prejudiced... or whatever when they disagree with you.

You haven't proven ANYTHING I've said "false". Not one thing. You've just ranted your disagreement or responded with things that DO NOT disprove my points.

He didn't make the presnap line adjustments. Nothing about that has anything to do with his ability. Most college qbs do not.
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That is categorically FALSE. Every QB is taught to approach the line then read alignments and keys. Even option QB's do that. You simply don't know what you're talking about but worse... you don't want to know any better.

Especially when you have a first time oc who is uber conservative.
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His first two OC's weren't first timers. Not even close. Other than that... NO coach will limit a kid from doing things that help the team. If JG could do it... he would have been allowed to do it. It really is that simple... unless you are arguing they didn't want to be good.

No way to twist the FACT he didn't make the line calls into a flaw. The FACT is the blocking adjustments and missed assignments had 0% to do with him.
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Nope. That is false also. Both statements. If a QB can handle the line calls then only an abject idiot wouldn't do it. He has the perspective to do it. The ONLY reason you don't do it (when it has been your practice in the past to do it which it was with Jones)... is that the QB can't be trusted with it.

The "hot throws middle of the field" is something you literally made up to complain about when your other narratives kept being proven wrong. That is not an issue at all. Literally not one professional has ever mentioned that when analyzing JG. If they have brought it up post even one link.
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Nope. It is something I observed watching him play. I watched a highlight video earlier today. He simply doesn't throw to the middle under 15. Not one slant was on the highlight reel. No crossing routes where he hit receivers in stride underneath to burn LB's overplaying or being too aggressive vs the run. It is simply a fact and if you know the game... you should know it is a problem and why.

It is interesting though that you think the "professionals'" silence speaks... but then reject what they actually say when it doesn't fit your narrative. It doesn't take a "professional' to see what I'm telling you. You just have to watch the games... and be able to count.

The last word salad paragraph pretty much was presnap line adjustments. He wasn't in charge of that.
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And the question... is why if he were able. It would have made the offense MUCH better.

If you are talking d recognition post snap or reading coverage he is great at that. The numbers are the evidence. Lowest int rate and most passes without an int. Good rating. High ypa.
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You are delusional. You really are... and "stats" prove nothing of the sort. Those "stats" are indicative of low risk play design and calling... not a "great" ability to read D's.


So once again name one MAJOR flaw. You don't have the numbers he did with major flaws. Lmao. Try again. You need some new material. Maybe you can make up some other fake argument that is not stat based you can repeat ad nauseam in an effort to justify your bias.
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I gave you the reasoning. The "proof" is in the fact that the O was anemic... and they DIDN'T give more of it to JG. He was 14th in the SEC in pass attempts per game. If he were even close to as good as you think... they would have thrown more... unless you just think they were trying to lose.

I will give you credit though. Everytime one of your narratives is proven wrong you create some new dig that can't be proven or disproved without someone going back and watching all the games.

Brilliant troll strategy.
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Again, not once.... not one time... have you "proven" anything I've said wrong. You are just too much of a coward to consider that you might be wrong... or that being wrong and admitting that JG needs a lot of improvement wouldn't be the end of your world.

Someone earlier mentioned that JG needs a restraining order against you... they're probably right. Your cult-like delusional crush is pretty creepy.
 
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