Crompton Turnaround

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#51
Crompton went Chuck Knoblauch against UCLA. Possibly or more likely probably the worst QB performance in UT history.
 
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DWright39 said:
Remember when a lot of us complained about Clausen?
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Honestly no. I was just a little kid back then. I only watched the games and had no concept of the internet back then. I remember him making big throws and having some glorious moments though. Also remember how excited I was when my dad bought me his orange number 7 jerseys. Good days...
 
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rusty11 said:
Interceptions to TD ratio and ratings aren't everything. How many times did we lose because we only got to the 2? Nice pass, nice completion for no points and no victory. Sometimes good ratings and lack of turnovers is also the result of not being able to throw receivers open. We have had good talent in the receiver corps, so they can get wide open. That's when they get the ball, but rarely is the ball released from JG unless it's a sure thing. Good QB's throw more interceptions than JG does because they aren't afraid of them. They also know when not to risk it...deep in own territory, etc. Of course they also know not to take sacks. What is his sack to completion ratio?? Lol!!
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I would suggest that you consider those other quarterback's played behind a line that game them time and confidence to play differently, including not taking sacks. Many of JGs sacks come from being hit while taking his drop. Basically, comparing any QB in the previous offense to historical starters is pointless.
 
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Kinglberry said:
I would suggest that you consider those other quarterback's played behind a line that game them time and confidence to play differently, including not taking sacks. Many of JGs sacks come from being hit while taking his drop. Basically, comparing any QB in the previous offense to historical starters is pointless.
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And others came because he didn't do his job right. Maybe if they'd had a QB who could read D's, make good decisions, and manage a pocket... the OL would have had the confidence to play differently including not allowing sacks? I'm not actually suggesting that as a serious contribution to their failures... just showing that it is just as ridiculous to use the OL as a big blanket to cover JG's shortcomings.


Why do you guys keep making excuses rather than just acknowledging that both JG and the OL need to make MAJOR improvement?
 
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Cromp Daddy!

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EZE said:
If Crompton is the standard...then we are in trouble. Even as a senior, he was at best a game manager.
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This!!! This thread is just another thread started by a JG sunshine pumper!!! I hope CJC does make JG much better. Time will tell.
 
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k-town_king said:
I see many post about the lack of production from those not sold on JG. I see many of those posters pine for a "Crompton like" Sr leap/turnaround from JG.

So in other words you just want him to throw the ball more? I think many fail to realize he already took a leap last year to have a better yr than Sr Crompton that y'all want him to "reach." JG was already better in every single category except the raw total number stats. Anyone who knows football knows those are the worse stats to judge qb performance on due to differences in personnel and coaching schemes.

QB rating
Sph JG -141
Sr JC - 136

YPA
JG- 7.8
JC- 7.3

Adj YPA
JG- 8.2
JC- 7.2

Completion Percentage
JG- 62.2
JC- 58.3

Completions/Attempts
JG- 153/246
JC- 224/384

Yards
JG- 1907
JC- 2800

tds/ints
JG- 12/3
JC- 27/13


With improved and less conservative playcalling we will be fine. Time to open it up this year. If we do the o will be good.
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Crompton threw for 1000 more yards and nearly completed as many passes as JG attempted. You can call that “raw totals” if you want. Most would call that actual production.
 
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k-town_king said:
Ypa and ratiing were bad also.
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Let's put it this way.....if JG throws for 3000 yards and 27 TDs, I don't think you will find anyone but morons screaming that his YPA and rating were bad. Do you?

The point I was trying to make still stands. You are trying too hard. JGs accomplishments will stand on their own. You wont need to prop them up if he does what some of us think he will.
 
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#67
#67
JG has had the worst offensive lines in UT history......hard to know what kind of QB he really is without protection. Watch a game from last year and watch almost any other power 5 school's OL....way undersized without any depth.
 
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I think that Crompton's senior season seemed so much better bc it was Crompton, not bc it was a good year for a QB
 
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BigOrangeNC said:
JG has had the worst offensive lines in UT history......hard to know what kind of QB he really is without protection. Watch a game from last year and watch almost any other power 5 school's OL....way undersized without any depth.
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Worley and Dobbs beg to differ. Let's be honest bad oline's have been a thing around here since Dooley's tenure. There are so many to choose from. I would definitely say last year's was the most underachieving. Past years it's been because of lack of guys to play the tackle position. Last year we had the talent and injuries killed us. We haven't had a consistent starting 5 on the line since CPF
 
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EZE said:
I would think that Peyton Manning would be the standard that QBs are measured by at UT.

And one would have to go way, way, way down the list before they get to Crompton.
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I would be good with Tee Martin being the standard - since we are on the topic! I love Peyton but Tee won a NC! The QB needs to do what is best for team. It may mean throwing it all over the field - it might mean limiting turnovers and controlling posession to limit exposure of defense!
I think we have some coaches who know what is best and will ask JG to do what is best for team. Individual stats should not matter. There is one goal.
 
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#71
There is no real, logical way to compare JG to any UT QB. Because there hasnt been a TN QB that has faced anything remotely close to what he has.
 
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SteensVol said:
I would be good with Tee Martin being the standard - since we are on the topic! I love Peyton but Tee won a NC! The QB needs to do what is best for team. It may mean throwing it all over the field - it might mean limiting turnovers and controlling posession to limit exposure of defense!
I think we have some coaches who know what is best and will ask JG to do what is best for team. Individual stats should not matter. There is one goal.
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Stop. Martin was nothing more than an average to below average QB. Clausen, Ainge and Bray were better. I would take Dobbs over Martin. He did very little in the 1998 season to win the title. While I agree a QB needs to do whats best, its not that simple. Name me one player from the last 2 years, that has been on the offensive side of the ball, that would have actually been a starter in the 98 and 99 seasons.

I agree that individual stats shouldnt matter and its a team goal. But success in football requires a team effort. Its exactly why we didnt steamroll the SEC in 2012.
 
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lukeneyland said:
That's extremely true. I have never seen a UT team with such an awful offensive line in my lifetime. According to my Dad neither has he
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Not only that but WR play as well. I like the WRs but they arent gamebreakers who can get open on a consistent basis and arent reliable.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
JG has been saddled with the following:

A pathetic OL
Not enough playmakers at WR and RB
A poor head coach in over his head (Butch)
Another head coach without head coaching experience
A coordinator without coordinating experience (Larry Scott)
Another coordinator without P5 coordinating experience (Helton)
A dramatic switch in offensive philosophies

JG has some flaws in his game (I don't think his presence is elite) but he's been given a tough hand......
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This x 1,000
 
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