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#127
If that rule change takes place, then the tournament needs to be expanded were more mid-majors make the tournament. Many of these kids are grad-transfers because they are trying to get more exposure.
 
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#129
The NCAA needs to be abolished. They don’t enforce their rules equally. There’s no due process. They don’t care about the student athletes best interest. I really don’t know why there are any transfer restrictions at all - how does that help the student? The NCAA is all about restricting young people’s options in order to make things easier on the schools, AD’s, and coaches. Run the type of program athletes want to be in and you wouldn’t have to worry about them leaving.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'd rather just see them do away with grad transfers instead, if given those two options. It doesn't seem fair to punish the school for a kid refusing to fulfill his academic requirements to obtain a degree. The schools have no manner of leverage in which to enforce a student to return for a year once his eligibility is up.
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The reason grad transfers were allowed to begin with were for students that wanted a graduate program that their current school didn't offer. Players have taken advantage of that and here we are. If they really want that new degree than they have to finish it and that's the spirit of the original rule anyway
 
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I can understand the sentiment, but then again, if we lose Bone and Grant, we're going to need some serious help. I'd love to think we could finally get meaningful contributions from Jalen, Pons, Walker and Kent, but do we really want to head into this season depending on those developmental players to...well...finally develop? Hey, Barnes sees these kids in practice every day. He's fully aware of what he does and doesn't have with this roster.
 
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BruinVol said:
It hurts the school that developed them and graduated them

I've said for years schools are slowing down course loads so this doesn't happen and that is 100% a fact
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I really don't care if the schools feel put out. And, I'm certainly not in favor of limited student-athlete choices because of the actions of schools.
 
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Unimane said:
I really don't care if the schools feel put out. And, I'm certainly not in favor of limited student-athlete choices because of the actions of schools.
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I am 100% behind the belief that once a kid goes to a school they are there until their eligibility is done. If EITHER the school or the player want to break that then that side needs a penalty. Schools should lose a scholarship for a year and players should have to sit out
 
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BruinVol said:
I am 100% behind the belief that once a kid goes to a school they are there until their eligibility is done. If EITHER the school or the player want to break that then that side needs a penalty. Schools should lose a scholarship for a year and players should have to sit out
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your wish has been granted this entire time. Eligibility is renewed yearly.
 
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Barnes should have already used the transfer portal. We were one good big man short this year. He needs to get out of his chair use portal and drive/fly for in home visits.
 
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BruinVol said:
I am 100% behind the belief that once a kid goes to a school they are there until their eligibility is done. If EITHER the school or the player want to break that then that side needs a penalty. Schools should lose a scholarship for a year and players should have to sit out
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Absolutely not. That sounds like the reserve clause rule which dominated baseball for a century, which was a horrible tactic of owners to create a system of involuntary servitude for players much like the one you are advocating exists for the NCAA.

In every other facet of life, people are allowed to pursue other options if they don't like the job or situation they are in, not to mention the fact the NCAA is making big money on these kids without paying them and coaches leave all the time. To force these kids to make a decision at 18 and then require them to stay for 4 years when all about them is charge is morally irresponsible.
 
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BruinVol said:
The reason grad transfers were allowed to begin with were for students that wanted a graduate program that their current school didn't offer. Players have taken advantage of that and here we are. If they really want that new degree than they have to finish it and that's the spirit of the original rule anyway
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I get it, but it still gives the school zero ability to force a player to finish that degree. So, I don't understand why the school should be on the hook if the player bails once his eligibility exhausts.

Maybe a better solution is to give a player an additional year of eligibility if he graduates on time and enrolls in a graduate program at another institution. In essence, you have 6 years to play 5 seasons if you enroll in a graduate program. In that case, I would be fine with penalizing a school with a one year loss of scholarship if a player doesn't complete his program in 2 years, because at least his eligibility will span the amount of time required to complete the graduate degree. And the punishment of losing a scholarship for one year is offset by the additional year of eligibility the original player received and contributed to your program.
 
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walkenvol said:
The NCAA needs to be abolished. They don’t enforce their rules equally. There’s no due process. They don’t care about the student athletes best interest. I really don’t know why there are any transfer restrictions at all - how does that help the student? The NCAA is all about restricting young people’s options in order to make things easier on the schools, AD’s, and coaches. Run the type of program athletes want to be in and you wouldn’t have to worry about them leaving.
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Let us know how that goes.
 
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Unimane said:
Absolutely not. That sounds like the reserve clause rule which dominated baseball for a century, which was a horrible tactic of owners to create a system of involuntary servitude for players much like the one you are advocating exists for the NCAA.

In every other facet of life, people are allowed to pursue other options if they don't like the job or situation they are in, not to mention the fact the NCAA is making big money on these kids without paying them and coaches leave all the time. To force these kids to make a decision at 18 and then require them to stay for 4 years when all about them is charge is morally irresponsible.
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Except these kids don't have to play to college ball.....

The NCAA making money has zero bearing on the discussion. If kids truly had an issue with it, they wouldn't play college ball. There are other options for kids to skip the college route as the college route is the only pathway where they don't get paid prior to the NBA...
 
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cncchris33 said:
I get it, but it still gives the school zero ability to force a player to finish that degree. So, I don't understand why the school should be on the hook if the player bails once his eligibility exhausts.

Maybe a better solution is to give a player an additional year of eligibility if he graduates on time and enrolls in a graduate program at another institution. In essence, you have 6 years to play 5 seasons if you enroll in a graduate program. In that case, I would be fine with penalizing a school with a one year loss of scholarship if a player doesn't complete his program in 2 years, because at least his eligibility will span the amount of time required to complete the graduate degree. And the punishment of losing a scholarship for one year is offset by the additional year of eligibility the original player received and contributed to your program.
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The plan the NCAA had a few years ago was to grant an extra redshirt year for grad students. If they really do want that Graduate year then it makes sense to do that imo
 
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zjcvols said:
Funny nobody cares if a biology student transfers after a year because it just isn’t a good fit but if it’s a basketball player it’s a travesty.

Such hypocrisy.
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Yea and funny thing is those students don't have rules already in place.

For me it's either do away with the transfer rules altogether or tie up the loop holes.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Except these kids don't have to play to college ball.....

The NCAA making money has zero bearing on the discussion. If kids truly had an issue with it, they wouldn't play college ball. There are other options for kids to skip the college route as the college route is the only pathway where they don't get paid prior to the NBA...
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Other options? Like what? Europe? Forcing kids to stay in school while everyone around them is able to move and find better situations for themselves is the height of hypocrisy. It's also morally wrong and indefensible, done only for the benefit of others and not remotely in the interest of the athletes themselves. It's a selfish idea to promote for the sake of fans and programs.
 
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Unimane said:
Other options? Like what? Europe? Forcing kids to stay in school while everyone around them is able to move and find better situations for themselves is the height of hypocrisy. It's also morally wrong and indefensible, done only for the benefit of others and not remotely in the interest of the athletes themselves. It's a selfish idea to promote for the sake of fans and programs.
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Go to Europe or Asia and make 6-7 figures as an 18-19 year old. Plenty of cases to prove that it works.

If your talents are good enough, there will be no problem being able to get a team in the Euros or Asian leagues to pay for a year of service and costs associated with moving you back and forth.....
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Go to Europe or Asia and make 6-7 figures as an 18-19 year old. Plenty of cases to prove that it works.

If your talents are good enough, there will be no problem being able to get a team in the Euros or Asian leagues to pay for a year of service and costs associated with moving you back and forth.....
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So, involuntary servitude or moving overseas as an 18 year old with leagues that have notoriously sketchy contracts and guarantees (Which very, very few would be able to do and offered anyway)? When exactly do the considerations of student-athletes actually count in this situation?
 
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Unimane said:
So, involuntary servitude or moving overseas as an 18 year old with leagues that have notoriously sketchy contracts and guarantees (Which very, very few would be able to do and offered anyway)? When exactly do the considerations of student-athletes actually count in this situation?
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If you have the talent, there is no excuse for sitting and complaining about the NCAA being unfair. Improve your situation. Plenty of guys in the past going the Euro/Asia route and making close to a million dollars as an 18-19 year old and then going pro.....

I have no sympathy for someone who isn't willing to exhaust all scenarios to improve their situation and instead, sit home and complain.

Perfect example is Emmanuel Mudiay... Didn't want to go to college and got a million dollar contract for one year in China. After that year, he gets draft and got a 4 year / 14 million dollar rookie contract....

If your talent is good enough, you can always find a way.

Hell look at all the former Vol players who didn't make the league, but are making good money playing overseas right now for their situations.


There is always a way for kids who have the talent.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
If you have the talent, there is no excuse for sitting and complaining about the NCAA being unfair. Improve your situation. Plenty of guys in the past going the Euro/Asia route and making close to a million dollars as an 18-19 year old and then going pro.....

I have no sympathy for someone who isn't willing to exhaust all scenarios to improve their situation and instead, sit home and complain.

Perfect example is Emmanuel Mudiay... Didn't want to go to college and got a million dollar contract for one year in China. After that year, he gets draft and got a 4 year / 14 million dollar rookie contract....

If your talent is good enough, you can always find a way.

Hell look at all the former Vol players who didn't make the league, but are making good money playing overseas right now for their situations.


There is always a way for kids who have the talent.
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The best you can do is "they'll figure it out"? That's not a justification for requiring kids to stay until their eligibility is up. That's a BS F-k you to the kids, nothing near a reasonable explanation.

And, the example of Mudiay means little when he was one of the top 2 recruits in the class and would've been a draft pick had he stayed home on his couch for a year. So, how does it work for the 99.9% of the other kids who aren't in that situation?

It's a foolish idea of forcing kids to do this when absolutely no one else in that industry is bound by such parameters.
 
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