TrumPutinGate

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Some on the team say it's not as good for Trump as implied but refuse to say why or what.

It's fun to watch how the left creates a narrative about what the Barr memo was (a full summary) then attacks it as not being what they say the narrative was.

Read the memo - 2 principle questions: 1) collusion conspiracy - uses the direct quote from the report saying the evidence of this happening isn't there. 2) obstruction - says Mueller pointed out instances that might or might not be interpreted as obstruction but could not make a call and punted to DOJ. DOJ reviewed and said we don't see enough. That's it.

The left creates a narrative that Barr isn't going to release the report (invented narrative whole cloth) then rails against the narrative.

Now some on the team suggest the narrative that Trump did nothing wrong is overstated (even though Barr never said that) but we can't tell you how or about what.

Rinse, repeat.
 
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volinbham said:
Some on the team say it's not as good for Trump as implied but refuse to say why or what.

It's fun to watch how the left creates a narrative about what the Barr memo was (a full summary) then attacks it as not being what they say the narrative was.

Read the memo - 2 principle questions: 1) collusion conspiracy - uses the direct quote from the report saying the evidence of this happening isn't there. 2) obstruction - says Mueller pointed out instances that might or might not be interpreted as obstruction but could not make a call and punted to DOJ. DOJ reviewed and said we don't see enough. That's it.

The left creates a narrative that Barr isn't going to release the report (invented narrative whole cloth) then rails against the narrative.

Now some on the team suggest the narrative that Trump did nothing wrong is overstated (even though Barr never said that) but we can't tell you how or about what.

Rinse, repeat.
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Seems to be a simple solution. Release the full report with as few redactions (if any) as possible. Everyone knew from the beginning that anything short of that would be meet with skepticism.
Had a four page "summary" been released claiming Trump was guilty the right would be apocalyptic in their mania to have the whole report released. (and we all know that is true)
Without full disclosure, there can be no full support of and belief in Barr's conclusions.
 
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luthervol said:
Seems to be a simple solution. Release the full report with as few redactions (if any) as possible. Everyone knew from the beginning that anything short of that would be meet with skepticism.
Had a four page "summary" been released claiming Trump was guilty the right would be apocalyptic in their mania to have the whole report released. (and we all know that is true)
Without full disclosure, there can be no full support of and belief in Barr's conclusions.
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Did you read the NYT article linked by Velo? If you did you'd have read this

"The fallout from Mr. Barr’s letter outlining the Russia investigation’s main findings overshadowed his intent to make public as much of the entire report as possible, a goal he has stressed since his confirmation hearing in January. He reiterated to lawmakers on Friday that he wanted both Congress and the public to read the report and said that the department would by mid-April furnish a version with sensitive material blacked out. He offered to testify on Capitol Hill soon after turning over the report."

The narrative that the summary was all that was coming out or that he would release the report only if pressured is pure fiction authored by Dems.
 
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volinbham said:
Did you read the NYT article linked by Velo? If you did you'd have read this

"The fallout from Mr. Barr’s letter outlining the Russia investigation’s main findings overshadowed his intent to make public as much of the entire report as possible, a goal he has stressed since his confirmation hearing in January. He reiterated to lawmakers on Friday that he wanted both Congress and the public to read the report and said that the department would by mid-April furnish a version with sensitive material blacked out. He offered to testify on Capitol Hill soon after turning over the report."

The narrative that the summary was all that was coming out or that he would release the report only if pressured is pure fiction authored by Dems.
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That means there is at least a few weeks to generate a new narrative to rail against. After the TrumPutin narrative came unraveled.
 
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If he said anything too conflicting with the report, I'd think Mueller or his team would have spoken out immediately. Not 2 weeks later.
 
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Collusion? Russians Gave $35 Million to Company with John Podesta on Board

Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign manager, John Podesta, played a central role in another potential Russian collusion scandal that has not yet been investigated.

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Podesta, the former chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, served on the board of Joule Unlimited, a now defunct alternative energy company, from January 2011 to January 2014. He resigned from the company’s board to accept the powerful job of Counselor to President Barack Obama.

During Podesta’s tenure on the board of Joule Unlimited, a significant investment in the company by a firm owned by the Russian government escaped review and scrutiny by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS).

In September 2011, eight months after Podesta joined the board of Joule Unlimited, Rusnano, a venture capital fund wholly owned by the Russian government, announced it was investing one billion Russian rubles, $35 million, in the company, which accounted for 46 percent of the $75 million invested in it up to that time from its launch in 2007. Founders Afeyan Noubar and Dr. David Berry invested an estimated $10 million in the 2007 first round. The venture firm Noubar heads, Flagship Ventures – now known as Flagship Pioneering – led a second round investment of $30 million in 2010, as the Boston Globe reported.

Russians Gave $35 Million to Company with John Podesta on Board
 
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Looks like we're at the end of victory lapping over the Barr memo.

Mueller report being downgraded to "Mueller dossier."

The ten days where Republicans pretended to care what the investigation found out was fun while it lasted.

 
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volinbham said:
"The fallout from Mr. Barr’s letter outlining the Russia investigation’s main findings overshadowed his intent to make public as much of the entire report as possible, a goal he has stressed since his confirmation hearing in January. He reiterated to lawmakers on Friday that he wanted both Congress and the public to read the report and said that the department would by mid-April furnish a version with sensitive material blacked out. He offered to testify on Capitol Hill soon after turning over the report."
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We'll find out when we read it.
 
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volinbham said:
It's fun to watch how the left creates a narrative about what the Barr memo was (a full summary) then attacks it as not being what they say the narrative was.
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Now chart the evolution of the GOP narrative. Start with "complete exoneration" to "Mueller dossier" to where ever we're headed (I suspect it will soon be a discredited "witch hunt" again).

Bonus: where does this fit in?

 
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Velo Vol said:
Now chart the evolution of the GOP narrative. Start with "complete exoneration" to "Mueller dossier" to where ever we're headed (I suspect it will soon be a discredited "witch hunt" again).

Bonus: where does this fit in?

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Wow, Pirro is an angry little elf

 
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Velo Vol said:
Now chart the evolution of the GOP narrative. Start with "complete exoneration" to "Mueller dossier" to where ever we're headed (I suspect it will soon be a discredited "witch hunt" again).

Bonus: where does this fit in?

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Wanna bet we still end up with no collusion/conspiracy and no case for obstruction? I'm in.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I see what's going on. Barr gave Trump cover to declare "victory" and now we're back to damage-control mode.

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Come on Velo, another article with zero sources? The article doesn’t even claim its sources to be from The Muell’s team just government sources. When are you going to learn?
 
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Velo Vol said:
We already know there's no further charges pending from the SCO. That doesn't mean that the report doesn't detail sleazy conduct.
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This is why I want to see the report. I'm betting that there is a ton of unsubstantiated innuendo and salacious unfounded (no evidence) accusations in the report. I think it will demonstrate just how much bias there was.
 
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