Bone declaring for NBA draft

#78
#78
JMSqb11 said:
Here's the problem with your sketch, you don't have to replace Bone's minutes, but you have to sort out the bench minutes.

Turner replaces Bone's minutes at the 1
James replaces Turner's minutes at the 2
Bowden replaces Admiral's minutes at the 3

The only thing you are having to replace with that is Bowden's 6th man minutes which would be Pons and some potential grad transfer if Bone leaves resulting in an unaccounted for opening. So even if you kept Pons at the same minute count, you only have to make up 10-12 minutes to fill since Bowden averaged 27 per game.

This isn't hard or controversial to do. The only place where minutes need to be replaced are the bench.

Fulkerson is going to get more minutes, along with Walker, due to Kyle's departure.
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Okay, obviously you don’t understand the value of a team’s three year starting PG and third best player for one.

Two, you just assume we are going to find a good grad transfer that will be able to as good as Bone or Bowden. That’s nowhere near as easy as you think. And we are assuming Pons improves enough we can give him 15 minutes a game.

And that’s not taking into account Grant leaving.
 
#79
#79
Really think his game will translate to the NBA well. Win-win for us. Great if he comes back, and great if we can have another former Vol in the NBA.
 
#80
#80
VEKZY said:
He is going to do what admiral did last year, if he gets only 2nd round feedback, he may come back.

But I think he will turn some heads during NBA workouts and probably get great feedback, jmo.
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Agree. And he isn’t even showing in any of the mock drafts in either round. Go to the camp, get feedback on what he needs to work on.

I hope all of them get drafted and have great NBA careers, but I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t come back.
 
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ATC_VOL said:
Really think his game will translate to the NBA well. Win-win for us. Great if he comes back, and great if we can have another former Vol in the NBA.
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Or be like Scotty Hopson, not get drafted and have to journey around western europe.
 
#84
#84
Not unexpected, Bone is a rare combination of speed, agility and is has shown to be very coachable. I hope he gets drafted in the first 15, if not probably needs to come back to school, there is no guarantee the G league will pave a path to the NBA faster than him finishing his career at UT. But, when guaranteed millions are on the line, I hope he makes the best decision for him and his family!
 
#85
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zjcvols said:
Okay, obviously you don’t understand the value of a team’s three year starting PG and third best player for one.

Two, you just assume we are going to find a good grad transfer that will be able to as good as Bone or Bowden. That’s nowhere near as easy as you think. And we are assuming Pons improves enough we can give him 15 minutes a game.

And that’s not taking into account Grant leaving.
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You're treating this like rocket science. From a minutes perspective, our starting 123 will be Turner, James, Bowden..... In that, the only minutes that need replacing are Bowden coming off the bench. You can do that with Pons and another player like Johnson.....

And it isn't hard to find a grad transfer that ideally comes in and plays 15-20 minutes and that is basing that on Barnes history at Tennessee getting grad transfers.

It is amazing you can't comprehend this......

Bone being a three year starting PG has zero to do with what the lineup and minutes look like. The fact you are bringing it up now is you changing the goal post of the discussion. If you want to debate how we will look from a talent perspective, sure Bone's three year starting PG comes into play. But when talking about lineups and minutes, that has zero to do with it.

Study up, you need it.
 
#86
#86
I'm not writing off the contributions of 7-10. They were all sophomores. Some or all can certainly improve with the additional year in the system.
 
#87
#87
There are too may guards in the US that are better than Bone (unfortunately), hell they don't even have Cassius Winston (Big10 POY) getting drafted and he has a high IQ and a better jumpshot than Bone.. Not to mention all the foreign players that will get drafted ahead of him. So, I think Bone will be back as I can think of at least 10 point guards/combo guards that will get drafted ahead of him.
 
#88
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ATC_VOL said:
Really think his game will translate to the NBA well. Win-win for us. Great if he comes back, and great if we can have another former Vol in the NBA.
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The win win would be he comes back next year and goes to the NBA after that. Next years team gains nothing if he is gone. They actually lose big time.
 
#90
#90
Wish him the very best and hope he’s a lottery pick. Who can really say where he ranks in the draft until he goes through the process. If he’s a low 1st rd or lower I hope his family gives him solid advice. He’s been a class act at UT and I’ve enjoyed watching him develop.
 
#91
#91
This hurts but I think the lack of post players is worse, even if G Williams comes back after him there is next to nothing as far as post players go
 
#92
#92
Im gonna be honest. If CRB needs an elite pg we need to go hard after Kira Lewis. I know he will have to sit a year but bring in a grad transfer pg and then let Lewis have the reigns after that. Jmo of course
 
#94
#94
The selfish part of me hates this and I'm going to miss seeing him play. He made a huge leap this season and was the most improved player on our team. He's got the skills and the work ethic to make it happen at the next level. Best wishes to JB!
 
#95
#95
JMSqb11 said:
You're treating this like rocket science. From a minutes perspective, our starting 123 will be Turner, James, Bowden..... In that, the only minutes that need replacing are Bowden coming off the bench. You can do that with Pons and another player like Johnson.....

And it isn't hard to find a grad transfer that ideally comes in and plays 15-20 minutes and that is basing that on Barnes history at Tennessee getting grad transfers.

It is amazing you can't comprehend this......

Bone being a three year starting PG has zero to do with what the lineup and minutes look like. The fact you are bringing it up now is you changing the goal post of the discussion. If you want to debate how we will look from a talent perspective, sure Bone's three year starting PG comes into play. But when talking about lineups and minutes, that has zero to do with it.

Study up, you need it.
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Okay, you act like Pons and Johnson are good enough to handle those minutes. Here’s how I broke it down with Grant leaving

Top Six Last year
Grant- 32
Bone- 33
Admiral- 32
Turner- 31
Bowden- 28
Kyle- 24

That is 180 minutes/200 minutes. Fulkerson averaged 12 and the remainder would go to either Pons/Walker/Johnson. We would be losing 121 minutes.

If we have Turner average 33 minutes (what Bone did) that’s two additional minutes for Turner. If we give Bowden Admiral’s minutes (32 minutes) that’s an additional four minutes. Six extra minutes.

We still have to replace 115 minutes. Let’s go ahead, assume James is good and give him 30 minutes.

That’s 85 minutes.

We still have 85 minutes to replace. Let’s go ahead and assume Burns is decent. He takes Kyle’s 24 minutes.

That’s 61 minutes to replace. Both Fulkerson and Pons averaged 12 (I would venture to say Pons averaged much less than 12 during SEC/tourney play but let’s just keep it at 12). So combined they play 24 minutes.

That’s 32 minutes to replace. So basically we need to add another SEC quality starter to cover those 32 minutes or hope Fulkerson/Walker/Pons can somehow cover those extra minutes. Or get a decent grad transfer for 15 minutes and still hope Pons/Fulky can play 20 minutes per game.

None of that is optimal.
 
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zjcvols said:
Okay, you act like Pons and Johnson are good enough to handle those minutes. Here’s how I broke it down.

Top Six Last year
Grant- 32
Bone- 33
Admiral- 32
Turner- 31
Bowden- 28
Kyle- 24

That is 180 minutes/200 minutes. Fulkerson averaged 12 and the remainder would go to either Pons/Walker/Johnson. We would be losing 121 minutes.

If we have Turner average 33 minutes (what Bone did) that’s two additional minutes for Turner. If we give Bowden Admiral’s minutes (32 minutes) that’s an additional four minutes. Six extra minutes.

We still have to replace 115 minutes. Let’s go ahead, assume James is good and give him 30 minutes.

That’s 85 minutes.

We still have 85 minutes to replace. Let’s go ahead and assume Burns is decent. He takes Kyle’s 24 minutes.

That’s 61 minutes to replace. Both Fulkerson and Pons averaged 12 (I would venture to say Pons averaged much less than 12 during SEC/tourney play but let’s just keep it at 12). So combined they play 24 minutes.

That’s 32 minutes to replace. So basically we need to add another SEC quality starter to cover those 32 minutes or hope Fulkerson/Walker/Pons can somehow cover those extra minutes. Or get a decent grad transfer for 15 minutes and still hope Pons/Fulky can play 20 minutes per game.

None of that is optimal.
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The sky is falling attitude is truly mesmerizing.

First off, Bone leaving gives us an unaccounted opening. We can fill it however we'd like. Grad transfer is ideal. Rick Barnes has no trouble of being able to get quality transfers that can get good minutes.

Second- Fulkerson likely replaces Kyle's minutes. Given that, Walker's minutes will increase likely to the level of what Fulkerson did this past season. Burns being able to play will also take up minutes that. At the end of this, you are looking to replace roughly 15-20 minutes when its all said and done and one opening to fill from Bone's departure...

This isn't rocket science.
 
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#98
#98
That means Turner will be starting PG, Bowden is SG and Jalen Johnson SF. Hopefully Pons can develop more and also be in play for SF minutes. Josiah James will be 6th man and hopefully can make a huge impact off the bench. As long as Grant Williams stays I believe we are still in great shape for a big run next year. This also depends on how Burns and Walker develop over the offseason.
 
#99
#99
JMSqb11 said:
The sky is falling attitude is truly mesmerizing.

First off, Bone leaving gives us an unaccounted opening. We can fill it however we'd like. Grad transfer is ideal. Rick Barnes has no trouble of being able to get quality transfers that can get good minutes.

Second- Fulkerson likely replaces Kyle's minutes. Given that, Walker's minutes will increase likely to the level of what Fulkerson did this past season. Burns being able to play will also take up minutes that. At the end of this, you are looking to replace roughly 15-20 minutes when its all said and done and one opening to fill from Bone's departure...

This isn't rocket science.
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Basically you have way more confidence in our bench players than I do.

I disagree.
 
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#100
#100
zjcvols said:
Basically you have way more confidence in our bench players than I do.

I disagree.
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I lean more to your side. Anybody who thinks that losing Bone (if it ultimately happens) isn’t going to hurt is deluding themselves. Same with Williams.
 
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