To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
The anti-drug propaganda has been very effective. So much so, that some hospital busy-body felt compelled to snitch on a cancer patient.
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Anyone missing the point the call said they smelled marijuana? How do you smell marijuana in a bottle that sealed??? If my end stage wanted to take marijuana for pain instead of opiods id be all for whatever helped. This was such a douche move.
 
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OK, so lets do the math on this. 3000 weed plants at a total street value (allegedly) of $35 million. How much does that make one weed plant worth?

 
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RockyTop85 said:
Some people are garbage. Some of those people become police officers. The system of accountability within police departments is not “taking out” said garbage and it makes the whole house stink.
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Some people are garbage. Some of them become lawyers. The system of accountability within the Bar Association is not "taking out" said garbage because they would have no members.
 
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37L1 said:
Some people are garbage. Some of them become lawyers. The system of accountability within the Bar Association is not "taking out" said garbage because they would have no members.
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I say this out of genuine curiosity:

I don’t know why you always confront me with things like this? I agree with you.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I say this out of genuine curiosity:

I don’t know why you always confront me with things like this? I agree with you.
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Your hubris made me do it.

Your post makes it seem like there is no one in the police that are trying to get rid of bad cops.
 
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You know what the biggest impediment to getting rid of bad cops is, counselor?

Ironically, it's attorneys.
 
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37L1 said:
You know what the biggest impediment to getting rid of bad cops is, counselor?

Ironically, it's attorneys.
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I doubt that. You’re clearly capable of finding something else to change the subject if there weren’t any attorneys to bag on.

😂😂
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I doubt that. You’re clearly capable of finding something else to change the subject if there weren’t any attorneys to bag on.

😂😂
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Really?

Who writes the state's laws governing the hiring and firing of employees?

Who writes the jurisdiction's Rules and Regulations/ General Orders that includes Internal Affairs/Discipline?

Who represents the department head and their jurisdiction?

Who represents the police officer(s)?

Attorneys.

Police officers, unless they are probationary, cannot be fired without cause and are entitled to legal representation (an attorney) in any disciplinary action, including internal affairs, and any discipline up to and including termination.
 
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37L1 said:
Really?

Who writes the state's laws governing the hiring and firing of employees?

Who writes the jurisdiction's Rules and Regulations/ General Orders that includes Internal Affairs/Discipline?

Who represents the department head and their jurisdiction?

Who represents the police officer(s)?

Attorneys.

Police officers, unless they are probationary, cannot be fired without cause and are entitled to legal representation (an attorney) in any disciplinary action, including internal affairs, and any discipline up to and including termination.
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Who pays the lawyer to represent the police officer?
 
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37L1 said:
Police Union. So?
What about all the other stuff?

We going to go to the point that the jurisdiction pays the salary from which the union dues are paid?
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You want me to address all the things you mentioned, which were all lobbied for and devised by unions made up of police officers, and explain why I don’t think they’re the fault of attorneys? Seems like you just want to accuse me of hubris again.

I’m happy to abuse the legal profession when it’s deserved, (which just makes your continued need to cry “attorney” every time we interact all the more bizarre) but blaming them for the actions of the client or condemning them for doing the work they’re getting paid to do for a client isn’t on my list of priorities.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
You want me to address all the things you mentioned, which were all lobbied for and devised by unions made up of police officers, and explain why I don’t think they’re the fault of attorneys? Seems like you just want to accuse me of hubris again.

I’m happy to abuse the legal profession when it’s deserved, (which just makes your continued need to cry “attorney” every time we interact all the more bizarre) but blaming them for the actions of the client or condemning them for doing the work they’re getting paid to do for a client isn’t on my list of priorities.
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Don't be so sensitive. I don't use 'hubris" much and you made a change to your original post which I neglected to note until now and thank you for.

Not all those things I mentioned were made up by/for police officers and their unions. Some are part of general personnel rules that apply to all government employees, be they teachers, firefighters, office workers, etc. So you can just bash unions in general.

You are apparently a clever fellow, so what about the current system regarding the retention or dismissal of "bad cops" would you change and how would you go about doing it? What would be the chance of successfully making that/those change(s)? Keep in mind the right to due process and Supreme Court rulings such as Garrity v. New Jersey (1967) and Gardner v. Broderick (1968).

There's nothing we can do about bad attorneys. (sorry, had to.)
 
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