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Perception is reality when it comes to the image of a program and it likely won't matter for his sake because he wasn't expected to be a huge contributor. I hope it turns out well for him
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Exactly. Maybe the budget should be adjusted to spend more money on investigating murders rather than who isn’t wearing a seatbelt.
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Do you have any idea the number of people who die each year because they aren't wearing their seatbelts? We should just stop enforcing seat belt tickets right?
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
Correct. It is a personal choice with personal consequences.
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And societal consequences when major trauma requires coverage by Medicaid or other publicly funded programs, and subsequent unemployment benefits, etc.

If you want to go off the grid, that's different, of course. Then you get to live free of the nanny state.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
Correct. It is a personal choice with personal consequences.
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No society can exist with a complete "laissez faire" attitude when it comes to choices, for example a child isn't capable of making that distinction when it comes to a seatbelt and not every adult has the mental capacity either. It applies to many other areas as well like harmful substances and firearms. I am very conservative and believe in limited government but there have to be certain constraints or society cannot function. A violent criminal has forfeited his or her right to own a firearm and heroine addict endangers others by their decisions not just themselves. That doesn't mean you turn into a police state but complete, unfettered civil liberties is just as dangerous.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Few good things come from Spring Break.
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I disagree and wonder if youve ever been on Spring Break each year. The vast majority come home with a smile on their face and some great memories. Getting arrested or something bad happening to you is thr exception not the rule.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
Correct. It is a personal choice with personal consequences.
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That at least according to our current laws... has consequences through increased insurance rates for everyone else.

I'm about as pro freedom as long as people take personal responsibility as you are likely to find. But something that is common use with hazards like highways almost have to have tighter rules of use.
 
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Kinglberry said:
Actually, it isn't pieces of crap non police officers who cause their perception. It is them closing ranks around each other like a herd of Buffalo defending each other no matter what. Labeling cops who go after dirty cops as traitors. If good cops want to change the perception, start ridding themselves of the cancers they've allowed to perpetuate, whether that is 1 in 1000, or 1 in 10. They need to clean that house from the inside. It's not the civilian populations problem that their house has enough trash in it that we can see it from the streets when we walk by.
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You don’t think it’s that rare obviously. Clearly you get with 300 yards of a department and get nervous.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
I agree with most of what you said. I used to go on rideouts during night patrols with cops. Too often night hours seems to be when the dregs of society come out. Got an up-close view and regard for the job cops face. Saw some truly DUMB and some funny suspects.

I disagree with you about it being just a few that do a bad job. It's far from a few and it's a shame because we've had good cops fired and/or demoted or "blue-shunned' because they dared to speak out or do something about brutality and other injustices.

Sadly, way too many cops come from a deficient society raised on violent video games and other media, Jerry Springerism, desensitized to all humane values, and have sadistic tendencies. You see it in the increasingly gross criminal acts. You see it in intra-family murders, mass murders, and more. You have incidents of cuffed and face down or sitting on the ground suspects being stomped, fist-assaulted, and baton beaten by cops. Even cops using cars to run over subdued and cuffed suspects. Worst yet sic-ing K-9 on people and letting them chew on people's arms and faces. Most of this extreme abuse does happen to Black people but certainly isn't limited to them. You see increasing mistreatment of female suspects as well, color notwithstanding. Even more disheartening is the number of cops who just stand around and do nothing while these gross violations of civil rights occur. Thus the primary reason bodycam requirements are in place. But already we're seeing incidents where cops shut off their cameras or mute the audio or both. We see cops who even using tasers on genitals. Yet suffer no consequences for doing so. Mainly the following link is why we have seen such increases:

1. FBI warned of white supremacists in law enforcement 10 years ago. Has anything changed?

2. FBI's warning of white supremacists infiltrating law enforcement nearly forgotten - theGrio

Of course, I expect this post to be deleted. Certain people have to be appeased as I've seen in other online venues as well.
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Policeman have an extremely stressful job with very poor pay, simply because you make mistakes doesn't make you a "white supremacist". All races have prejudices, it isn't monopolized by white people, but that doesn't make you a card carrying member of the klan. You cannot expect the best and brightest of any generation to sign up for a career that pays very poorly and comes with an extremely high stress rate. Most very poor areas have a much higher crime rate and most very poor areas are predominantly populated by minorities therefore arrest rates are always going to be higher as long as those trends continue. I love the paranoia against white supremacists. I live in the South, grew up in the South, have spent my entire life in the South, and have yet failed to meet these white supremacists who seem to be in charge of everything that is evil now. In fact, my father grew up on Sand Mountain, Alabama and his father was a sharecropper. He owns a farm on Lookout Mtn, Georgia. I could not have grown up in an area much more rural and in the middle of the South. Yet, I have avoided the Klan rallies and neo Nazis even though they "exist" in such vast numbers. It can't just be relatively uneducated people making mistakes in high stress environments? No, it must be the white supremacists at work.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Policeman have an extremely stressful job with very poor pay, simply because you make mistakes doesn't make you a "white supremacist". All races have prejudices, it isn't monopolized by white people, but that doesn't make you a card carrying member of the klan. You cannot expect the best and brightest of any generation to sign up for a career that pays very poorly and comes with an extremely high stress rate. Most very poor areas have a much higher crime rate and most very poor areas are predominantly populated by minorities therefore arrest rates are always going to be higher as long as those trends continue. I love the paranoia against white supremacists. I live in the South, grew up in the South, have spent my entire life in the South, and have yet failed to meet these white supremacists who seem to be in charge of everything that is evil now. In fact, my father grew up on Sand Mountain, Alabama and his father was a sharecropper. He owns a farm on Lookout Mtn, Georgia. I could not have grown up in an area much more rural and in the middle of the South. Yet, I have avoided the Klan rallies and neo Nazis even though they "exist" in such vast numbers. It can't just be relatively uneducated people making mistakes in high stress environments? No, it must be the white supremacists at work.
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Police never know when a good situation is going to turn deadly. They, I'm sure live on the edge during any give shift. Folks need to give them a break and have a little grace, while a few peppered across the country, are indeed bad, that comes with any profession. I'm sure it's the exception and not the rule. Are some hateful when they pull you over for speeding, certainly. But again, I associate that with them trying to be stern and control the situation. Most of them would take a bullet to protect our children. I hate seeing so many negative comments about our police.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Policeman have an extremely stressful job with very poor pay, simply because you make mistakes doesn't make you a "white supremacist". All races have prejudices, it isn't monopolized by white people, but that doesn't make you a card carrying member of the klan. You cannot expect the best and brightest of any generation to sign up for a career that pays very poorly and comes with an extremely high stress rate. Most very poor areas have a much higher crime rate and most very poor areas are predominantly populated by minorities therefore arrest rates are always going to be higher as long as those trends continue. I love the paranoia against white supremacists. I live in the South, grew up in the South, have spent my entire life in the South, and have yet failed to meet these white supremacists who seem to be in charge of everything that is evil now. In fact, my father grew up on Sand Mountain, Alabama and his father was a sharecropper. He owns a farm on Lookout Mtn, Georgia. I could not have grown up in an area much more rural and in the middle of the South. Yet, I have avoided the Klan rallies and neo Nazis even though they "exist" in such vast numbers. It can't just be relatively uneducated people making mistakes in high stress environments? No, it must be the white supremacists at work.
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First, the stress issue is very real. Suicide rates and domestic violence among cops and other realities validates this. The FBI reports, you ignore as I expected it to be. But that's OK, I've seen it all before. Got no interest in rehashing it on yet another forum. Oh, I'm from the South too, good ole Tennessee. Got dead family members killed KKK from just sitting on their front porch minding their own business. Some dead friends too for simply wanting to the country store just down the street to buy soda pop. Have been threatened by racist cops, including last year when I called 911 for an injured White neighbor who fell off his roof. Somehow, I remain unembittered by all that while acknowledging that reality is very real.

Apparently, you're saying the FBI reports are false? No problem. I'll stop here because repeated experience has shown me it's impossible for valid source based material of this nature to be accepted by certain factions of people. That includes volumes of video evidence, including from bodycams. Have a fine day and thanks for sharing your thoughts, which to be honest I have seen in various forms each time the issue is raised. So I'm done with this specific topic, been there done that.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
I agree with most of what you said. I used to go on rideouts during night patrols with cops. Too often night hours seems to be when the dregs of society come out. Got an up-close view and regard for the job cops face. Saw some truly DUMB and some funny suspects.

I disagree with you about it being just a few that do a bad job. It's far from a few and it's a shame because we've had good cops fired and/or demoted or "blue-shunned' because they dared to speak out or do something about brutality and other injustices.

Sadly, way too many cops come from a deficient society raised on violent video games and other media, Jerry Springerism, desensitized to all humane values, and have sadistic tendencies. You see it in the increasingly gross criminal acts. You see it in intra-family murders, mass murders, and more. You have incidents of cuffed and face down or sitting on the ground suspects being stomped, fist-assaulted, and baton beaten by cops. Even cops using cars to run over subdued and cuffed suspects. Worst yet sic-ing K-9 on people and letting them chew on people's arms and faces. Most of this extreme abuse does happen to Black people but certainly isn't limited to them. You see increasing mistreatment of female suspects as well, color notwithstanding. Even more disheartening is the number of cops who just stand around and do nothing while these gross violations of civil rights occur. Thus the primary reason bodycam requirements are in place. But already we're seeing incidents where cops shut off their cameras or mute the audio or both. We see cops who even using tasers on genitals. Yet suffer no consequences for doing so. Mainly the following link is why we have seen such increases:

1. FBI warned of white supremacists in law enforcement 10 years ago. Has anything changed?

2. FBI's warning of white supremacists infiltrating law enforcement nearly forgotten - theGrio

Of course, I expect this post to be deleted. Certain people have to be appeased as I've seen in other online venues as well.
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If this is happening in your community... and you are not working to stop it and elect leaders that will stop it... then you share the blame.

Honestly though, it is contrary enough to what I've personally seen... that you'd have to show A LOT of direct proof.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
First, the stress issue is very real. Suicide rates and domestic violence among cops and other realities validates this. The FBI reports, you ignore as I expected it to be. But that's OK, I've seen it all before. Got no interest in rehashing it on yet another forum. Oh, I'm from the South too, good ole Tennessee. Got dead family members killed KKK from just sitting on their front porch minding their own business. Some dead friends too for simply wanting to the country store just down the street to buy soda pop. Have been threatened by racist cops, including last year when I called 911 for an injured White neighbor who fell off his roof. Somehow, I remain unembittered by all that while acknowledging that reality is very real.

Apparently, you're saying the FBI reports are false? No problem. I'll stop here because repeated experience has shown me it's impossible for valid source based material of this nature to be accepted by certain factions of people. That includes volumes of video evidence, including from bodycams. Have a fine day and thanks for sharing your thoughts, which to be honest I have seen in various forms each time the issue is raised. So I'm done with this specific topic, been there done that.
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Sorry, quoting wrong person.....
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
First, the stress issue is very real. Suicide rates and domestic violence among cops and other realities validates this. The FBI reports, you ignore as I expected it to be. But that's OK, I've seen it all before. Got no interest in rehashing it on yet another forum. Oh, I'm from the South too, good ole Tennessee. Got dead family members killed KKK from just sitting on their front porch minding their own business. Some dead friends too for simply wanting to the country store just down the street to buy soda pop. Have been threatened by racist cops, including last year when I called 911 for an injured White neighbor who fell off his roof. Somehow, I remain unembittered by all that while acknowledging that reality is very real.

Apparently, you're saying the FBI reports are false? No problem. I'll stop here because repeated experience has shown me it's impossible for valid source based material of this nature to be accepted by certain factions of people. That includes volumes of video evidence, including from bodycams. Have a fine day and thanks for sharing your thoughts, which to be honest I have seen in various forms each time the issue is raised. So I'm done with this specific topic, been there done that.
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The FBI has been extremely politicized since Hoover. Many of the examples you give of police standing by idly while crimes are committed are done so for fear of being accused of brutality or political correctness, not adherence to the philosophies of neo Nazis. Of course there are examples to support police brutality but it's a small percentage and it isn't relegated to just white officers or racist ones. You don't seem to be capable of overcoming your own opinion that it must be systemic racism and not underpaid, high stress careers that most aren't willing to do.
 
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JohnWardForever said:
Everything can't be about that 911. But maybe.
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I might have misinterpreted your comment. If it seems that me driving a 911 was getting me in trouble with cops, absolutely yes. The first year I had it, living in the NASA area near Houston, I nearly lost my license due to repeated speeding tickets. In the case of the DUI incident - which by the way is the only time I was ever charged with DUI - had I been driving a pick-up truck like I do nowadays, chances are I would never have been stopped, or if I was he might have cut me some slack. Reminds me of a nickname my then-boss at the chemical complex in Louisiana had given me a couple years earlier when I had bought my first Porsche, a 1972 white 914 that 18 months later I cracked up, leading to finding the 911 for sale at the VW dealer in Texas City... said nickname: Leadfoot.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Policeman have an extremely stressful job with very poor pay, simply because you make mistakes doesn't make you a "white supremacist". All races have prejudices, it isn't monopolized by white people, but that doesn't make you a card carrying member of the klan. You cannot expect the best and brightest of any generation to sign up for a career that pays very poorly and comes with an extremely high stress rate. Most very poor areas have a much higher crime rate and most very poor areas are predominantly populated by minorities therefore arrest rates are always going to be higher as long as those trends continue. I love the paranoia against white supremacists. I live in the South, grew up in the South, have spent my entire life in the South, and have yet failed to meet these white supremacists who seem to be in charge of everything that is evil now. In fact, my father grew up on Sand Mountain, Alabama and his father was a sharecropper. He owns a farm on Lookout Mtn, Georgia. I could not have grown up in an area much more rural and in the middle of the South. Yet, I have avoided the Klan rallies and neo Nazis even though they "exist" in such vast numbers. It can't just be relatively uneducated people making mistakes in high stress environments? No, it must be the white supremacists at work.
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First, you completely ignore everything I said about how society has degenerated. Thus police recruits come from members of that society.

Second, you ignore any and all positive comments about my rideouts with cops and what I saw them facing out on the streets. You head straight into mocking my daring to comment on supremacists. This tells me huge thing about you. But so what, never met or talked with a PERFECT human of any hue. but so what

Third, the stress issue is very real. Suicide rates and domestic violence among cops and other realities validates this. The FBI reports, you ignore as I expected it to be. But that's OK, I've seen it all before. Got no interest in rehashing it on yet another forum. Oh, I'm from the South too, good ole Tennessee. Got dead family members killed KKK from just sitting on their front porch minding their own business. Some dead friends too for simply wanting to the country store just down the street to buy soda pop. Have been threatened by racist cops, including last year when I called 911 for an injured White neighbor who fell off his roof. Somehow, I remain unembittered by all that while acknowledging that reality is very real.

Apparently, you're saying the FBI reports are false? No problem. I'll stop here because repeated experience has shown me it's impossible for valid source based material of this nature to be accepted by certain factions of people. That includes volumes of video evidence, including from bodycams. Have a fine day and thanks for sharing your thoughts, which to be honest I have seen in various forms each time the issue is raised. So I'm done with this specific topic, been there done that.
 
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RavinDave said:
I might have misinterpreted your comment. If it seems that me driving a 911 was getting me in trouble with cops, absolutely yes. The first year I had it, living in the NASA area near Houston, I nearly lost my license due to repeated speeding tickets. In the case of the DUI incident - which by the way is the only time I was ever charged with DUI - had I been driving a pick-up truck like I do nowadays, chances are I would never have been stopped, or if I was he might have cut me some slack. Reminds me of a nickname my then-boss at the chemical complex in Louisiana had given me a couple years earlier when I had bought my first Porsche, a 1972 white 914 that 18 months later I cracked up, leading to finding the 911 for sale at the VW dealer in Texas City... said nickname: Leadfoot.
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In my case, the responding police attempted to run me over. Only my jumping into the lawn saved me. They laughed. I won't quote what was said, it'll just add gasoline to this thread.

Now, bye everybody. No offense, experience tells me where this will all lead collectively and it's not worth it. But nice to know where one stands. For the poster who said if I'm not doing something about it like voting, I vote. My area is heavily pale and conservative, my candidates tend to lose whether they'd R or D if they have moderate views.
 
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landscapingvol said:
No society can exist with a complete "laissez faire" attitude when it comes to choices, for example a child isn't capable of making that distinction when it comes to a seatbelt and not every adult has the mental capacity either. It applies to many other areas as well like harmful substances and firearms. I am very conservative and believe in limited government but there have to be certain constraints or society cannot function. A violent criminal has forfeited his or her right to own a firearm and heroine addict endangers others by their decisions not just themselves. That doesn't mean you turn into a police state but complete, unfettered civil liberties is just as dangerous.
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Yes, those are all equivalent comparisons.
 
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Sara Clark said:
Police never know when a good situation is going to turn deadly. They, I'm sure live on the edge during any give shift. Folks need to give them a break and have a little grace, while a few peppered across the country, are indeed bad, that comes with any profession. I'm sure it's the exception and not the rule. Are some hateful when they pull you over for speeding, certainly. But again, I associate that with them trying to be stern and control the situation. Most of them would take a bullet to protect our children. I hate seeing so many negative comments about our police.
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Too often, police gangs escalate a situation to violence or unjustified arrest and incarceration. These are not some fringe minority, but a systemic problem in America that has led to unacceptable levels of police violence and incarceration of citizens, that exist nowhere else in the free world. Their are overtly dishonest cops and cops that cover for dishonest cops in the police gangs. It's easy to understand how any cop that doesn't cover for the gang will be shunned and leave police work. I have seen and even experienced first-hand how cops destroy innocent people with their ego-fueled attacks. In modern America, police have become a fraternal gang who protect and serve each other, lie for each other and cover for each other. Cops can, and do, destroy lives with little accountability when their ego's are offended, or other motives. Police make a living putting citizens in cages, burdening them with crushing financial pressure to prove their innocence or escape often false or contrived charges.
 
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VolNExile said:
And societal consequences when major trauma requires coverage by Medicaid or other publicly funded programs, and subsequent unemployment benefits, etc.

If you want to go off the grid, that's different, of course. Then you get to live free of the nanny state.
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Medicaid and Unemployment are paid insurance programs that are available to be utilized. Why is seatbelt usage special enough to affect them, while other activities causing their use continue unfettered at individual discretion?

In addition, wouldn't the long term result of the Darwinian elimination of those choosing to avoid simple safety activities such as employing a safety restraint device lower the usage of programs such as Medicaid and disability insurance? It seems as if the problem would resolve itself if nature were allowed to take its course with foolish people.
 
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