Gun control debate (merged)

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luthervol said:
I could certainly get on board with anything that makes the current checks better.
I'm basically for anything that reduces the growing number of guns in circulation.
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so not gun "control" at all. you are for active reduction. once you start reduction, how do you do it in such a manner as to not hurt the poor more than the rich. Read minorities vs white if you have to.

Even with the best checks out there, once you pass, you can, and should be able to own as many guns as you want.

In your opinion, what is your reasonable goal?

Is there some firm total that would make America safe? 100 million guns, 50 guns, 200 million guns?
Is there some top number, that if one goes over, one ends up on a list? 5, 10, 15, 0?
 
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This is what luther would have be permissible, until someone was killed with one and he'd want it too.


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luthervol said:
For the most part, no, I'm not stupid; but the fact that I'm engaging in this conversation with you creates some self doubt.
Now that I answered your question, do you have the ability to answer mine?
Do YOU support rational and reasonable gun laws?
Helpful hint: I did not ask if we already have reasonable gun laws.
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No, since anything defined by your society would not meet my standard of rational and reasonable. I would rather my laws be derived objectively instead of via your feelz.
 
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LouderVol said:
so not gun "control" at all. you are for active reduction. once you start reduction, how do you do it in such a manner as to not hurt the poor more than the rich. Read minorities vs white if you have to.

Even with the best checks out there, once you pass, you can, and should be able to own as many guns as you want.

In your opinion, what is your reasonable goal?

Is there some firm total that would make America safe? 100 million guns, 50 guns, 200 million guns?
Is there some top number, that if one goes over, one ends up on a list? 5, 10, 15, 0?
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Step one would be a decrease in the rate of growth in the number of guns. Instead of adding 6 million guns into circulation over the next year, I think the country would be better off if we just added 5 million.
I have no magic number of the perfect amount. I do know we currently have to many.
I see no reason for someone to purchase more than two or three per year with a cap of maybe 10. Again, there are plenty of you guys that would disagree and these numbers would obviously be negotiable.
 
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luthervol said:
Step one would be a decrease in the rate of growth in the number of guns. Instead of adding 6 million guns into circulation over the next year, I think the country would be better off if we just added 5 million.
I have no magic number of the perfect amount. I do know we currently have to many.
I see no reason for someone to purchase more than two or three per year with a cap of maybe 10. Again, there are plenty of you guys that would disagree and these numbers would obviously be negotiable.
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So who's 2A would you trample on to get a 20% reduction in growth?
 
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luthervol said:
I'm only trying to establish a common ground from which we can base the discussion.
1. Most agree that rational and reasonable gun laws are needed.
2. We disagree on what is rational and reasonable.
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Reasonable and rationale to me is gun law that actually hurts criminals and bolsters the rights of gun owners. New gun laws always slowly chip away at gun owners rights, its insidious and planned. So I'm not supportive of any law that will infringe on citizens owning guns, Using guns as they see fit or having big brother know how many they have. This is what i meant by you forgetting history. I don't support an unarmed populace, never will.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Until liberal/socialist/commie/democrats realize that guns are an inanimate object and focus on the person/people that commit gun crimes, then they'll never achieve their goals of a decrease in gun violence.
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A decrease in violence isn’t their agenda though. Eradication of private gun ownership is their agenda.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Reasonable and rationale to me is gun law that actually hurts criminals and bolsters the rights of gun owners. New gun laws always slowly chip away at gun owners rights, its insidious and planned. So I'm not supportive of any law that will infringe on citizens owning guns, Using guns as they see fit or having big brother know how many they have. This is what i meant by you forgetting history. I don't support an unarmed populace, never will.
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Me either. I only support what is reasonable and rational..........which as I've stated a hundred times - we will not agree.
That's why we have no choice but to let the deciders decide. I like the current tide.
 
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luthervol said:
Me either. I only support what is reasonable and rational..........which as I've stated a hundred times - we will not agree.
That's why we have no choice but to let the deciders decide. I like the current tide.
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The citizens are the deciders and so far we have not decided to forgo our 2nd amendment rights.
 
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luthervol said:
Me either. I only support what is reasonable and rational..........which as I've stated a hundred times - we will not agree.
That's why we have no choice but to let the deciders decide. I like the current tide.
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I like the current tide myself and fully believe the left should make it a 2020 do or die platform topic . It will be a great place for the left to get that reform they want so badly . 😊
 
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0nelilreb said:
I like the current tide myself and fully believe the left should make it a 2020 do or die platform topic . It will be a great place for the left to get that reform they want so badly . 😊
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I want the Dems to make repeal of the second amendment a part of their platform. I’m personally sick and tired of the fascist trying constitutional end-a-rounds in their attempt to disarm us citizens. Just nut-up and try it the right way, an amendment to the constitution.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I like the current tide myself and fully believe the left should make it a 2020 do or die platform topic . It will be a great place for the left to get that reform they want so badly . 😊
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It will be a platform topic, but not do or die, and certainly not repealing 2A. No one in their right ind would think that was the objective.
 
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luthervol said:
Step one would be a decrease in the rate of growth in the number of guns. Instead of adding 6 million guns into circulation over the next year, I think the country would be better off if we just added 5 million.
I have no magic number of the perfect amount. I do know we currently have to many.
I see no reason for someone to purchase more than two or three per year with a cap of maybe 10. Again, there are plenty of you guys that would disagree and these numbers would obviously be negotiable.
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so you want to decrease the overall number? is there any tie between the number of guns owned vs the danger to society an individual creates? seems like that would be a real key piece of the puzzle of what is reasonable and rational.
 
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LouderVol said:
so you want to decrease the overall number? is there any tie between the number of guns owned vs the danger to society an individual creates? seems like that would be a real key piece of the puzzle of what is reasonable and rational.
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I believe there is a correlation between the number of guns purchased (which isn't the same as the number owned - if it were, this would be less of an issue) and danger to society.
 
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luthervol said:
It will be a platform topic, but not do or die, and certainly not repealing 2A. No one in their right ind would think that was the objective.
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That is your objective, you just will not admit it. You want to make it so cumbersome to own a firearm that in reality the 2nd amendment is nullified.
 
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hog88 said:
That is your objective, you just will not admit it. You want to make it so cumbersome to own a firearm that in reality the 2nd amendment is nullified.
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Not in the least. The fact that you believe that is my objective speaks to your inability to see the other side as it truly is.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Until liberal/socialist/commie/democrats realize that guns are an inanimate object and focus on the person/people that commit gun crimes, then they'll never achieve their goals of a decrease in gun violence.
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I wish I could like this post a few more times.

So many of our problems could be better addressed by getting out of our tightly guarded individual silos and begin thinking and acting as communities again.
 
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