Deficit up 17%

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Another way we could take the abstract and make it real is by asking Luther how much above his tax liability does he send to the IRS. Assuming he lives in a HOA community in BUford, Ga, has a daughter who just graduated Georgia Tech with an engineering degree, and he and Mrs Luther make $120,000 combined per year. The median household income in Buford is $56,000.

Should Luther pay double the average tax paid in Buford because his Median household income is double?
Should it be triple or more if his daughter moves back home while making 75,000 in her first job after college thus taking his household income to $195,000?
Should he be assessed a fee since he has extra money to spare by living in an HOA community?
 
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rjd970 said:
In a perfect system they should, I would agree with that.

I would also add that they do anyway in this system. The biggest political donors and PACs have more influence than Joe the Plumber. Politicians are bought and paid for every election.
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Interesting concept. So, by the same token, those who have less skin in the game get less decision-making privilege during elections. What about those who have no skin in the game? No say whatsoever?
 
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luthervol said:
You used the term give.

When people do not do the right thing on their own, society sometimes has to step in. If the kid continually refused to give on their own, I would imagine a teacher would eventually have to step in and establish classroom policies and procedures.
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Indeed I did. I shall retract my "exactly".
Are you the teacher for Americans who is stepping in to establish policy?
 
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McDad said:
Interesting concept. So, by the same token, those who have less skin in the game get less decision-making privilege during elections. What about those who have no skin in the game? No say whatsoever?
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Those with less already do. Who would have no skin in this thing?
 
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McDad said:
Another way we could take the abstract and make it real is by asking Luther how much above his tax liability does he send to the IRS. Assuming he lives in a HOA community in BUford, Ga, has a daughter who just graduated Georgia Tech with an engineering degree, and he and Mrs Luther make $120,000 combined per year. The median household income in Buford is $56,000.

Should Luther pay double the average tax paid in Buford because his Median household income is double?
Should it be triple or more if his daughter moves back home while making 75,000 in her first job after college thus taking his household income to $195,000?
Should he be assessed a fee since he has extra money to spare by living in an HOA community?
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Apparently he can make as much as he wants whenever he wants. He should just make as much as possible all the time and give 90% of it away.
 
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rjd970 said:
Only fuel taxes pay for roads, bridges, street lamps, intersections, pavement? Literally all transportation infrastructure is paid for strictly by taxing fuel?

And it was only an example. There are more. I would love to hear how somebody worth $1M has less to lose than someone making minimum wage. It’s a simple fact that the millionaire has more skin in this whole game than a McDonalds worker. Internet access infrastructure, mail, etc. Taxes go to a lot of things that some use more than others.

And on top of that, I agree that in the aggregate the bottom of the earning pool are coming out ahead at the expense of those at the upper. I’m simply saying it isn’t “as unfair” as maybe you think it is.

It’s a simple truth that the market doesn’t treat everyone equally and and doesn’t start everyone at the same point from birth. It’s also a simple fact that some have more at stake than others if this whole thing comes crashing down or defense breaks down. That’s the way it is and it isn’t perfect. But it’s the best there is.
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Not just fuel taxes we also heavy vehicle use taxes. But yes all roads and bridges are supposed to be paid for with fuel taxes or tolls. Not 100% sure that is true but.

What does it matter what someone has “to lose”? I literally have no idea what that has to do in the discussion about how much someone should be paying in taxes. However I do agree that someone worth $1M has more skin in the game than a fast food worker, good point on your part. Since we agree on that then you should agree that the ones with the most skin in the game should get more say in how things are run. I.E more votes.

BTW; taxes shouldn’t be going towards internet infrastructure and they do not go towards mail service.
 
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luthervol said:
You used the term give.

When people do not do the right thing on their own, society sometimes has to step in. If the kid continually refused to give on their own, I would imagine a teacher would eventually have to step in and establish classroom policies and procedures.
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But when society isn’t doing the right thing it’s up to the individual to rebel.
 
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C-south said:
Apparently he can make as much as he wants whenever he wants. He should just make as much as possible all the time and give 90% of it away.
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a little absurd on the surface. But a good point. He has stated his revenue increased after expenditures did. So, if we transfer the 22 trillion to Luther, he should be able to increase his revenue to handle the expenses.

all in favor say aye.
 
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McDad said:
Convicts serving life terms.
The aged.
Terminally diseased.
Those who pay no taxes.
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Convicts already don’t vote. Why would the aged and terminally diseased have no skin? As long as they are alive they have skin in this. And who doesn’t pay a dime in taxes of any sort?
 
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hog88 said:
Not just fuel taxes we also heavy vehicle use taxes. But yes all roads and bridges are supposed to be paid for with fuel taxes or tolls. Not 100% sure that is true but.

What does it matter what someone has “to lose”? I literally have no idea what that has to do in the discussion about how much someone should be paying in taxes. However I do agree that someone worth $1M has more skin in the game than a fast food worker, good point on your part. Since we agree on that then you should agree that the ones with the most skin in the game should get more say in how things are run. I.E more votes.

BTW; taxes shouldn’t be going towards internet infrastructure and they do not go towards mail service.
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Should and do are two different things. In a system where we all start at the same point and same ability, absolutely the ones with more should have more say. But that isn’t the way it is.
 
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rjd970 said:
Convicts already don’t vote. Why would the aged and terminally diseased have no skin? As long as they are alive they have skin in this. And who doesn’t pay a dime in taxes of any sort?
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The terminal don't have skin in the future. Their vote is electing someone who will be in control long after they are gone. Many don't pay any federal taxes. So, we could limit the discussion to federal elections if that is better for you.
 
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McDad said:
The terminal don't have skin in the future. Their vote is electing someone who will be in control long after they are gone. Many don't pay any federal taxes. So, we could limit the discussion to federal elections if that is better for you.
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The terminal argument opens a can of worms. Should an 18 year old have more say than a 60 year old? I don’t know.

I’m simply saying, from the beginning of this exchange, the inequity of taxes paid is lessened when presented over a proportion of services used and wealth being secured. If you disagree, fine.
 
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rjd970 said:
The terminal argument opens a can of worms. Should an 18 year old have more say than a 60 year old? I don’t know.

I’m simply saying, from the beginning of this exchange, the inequity of taxes paid is lessened when presented over a proportion of services used and wealth being secured. If you disagree, fine.
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You still haven’t adequately (or at all) explained: “proportion of services used and wealth being secured”
 
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rjd970 said:
The terminal argument opens a can of worms. Should an 18 year old have more say than a 60 year old? I don’t know.

I’m simply saying, from the beginning of this exchange, the inequity of taxes paid is lessened when presented over a proportion of services used and wealth being secured. If you disagree, fine.
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This forum is built on can formelry housing worms. Im not being argumentative. Just how your fertile and fetid mind works. If hypothetically those who have more skin should have more weight in voting, it seems consistent that those who have less skiin are given less weight. and those who have no skin (if such a person exists) would have no weight in elections.

It seems we would need to have these discussions if people of means are forced to pay more because it is fair. We have a concept of no taxation without representation in our founding documents. If we have increased taxation, shouldn't we therefore afford those paying more increased representation?
 
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McDad said:
So, for anyone who is willing to chime in, let's take the abstract and make it more concrete. Let's say the McRib and I meet your criteria for wealthy. We are both college graduates. Established in our careers. In the highest earning phase of our life (45-60) and own rental property.

How are you going to increase my tax liability by raising rates?
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No takers???

I am disappoint.
 
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rjd970 said:
The terminal argument opens a can of worms. Should an 18 year old have more say than a 60 year old? I don’t know.

I’m simply saying, from the beginning of this exchange, the inequity of taxes paid is lessened when presented over a proportion of services used and wealth being secured. If you disagree, fine.
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How about you should just have to pay taxes to have skin in the game?
 
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